Well he was what, one McCain thumbs down away from it last time. This time, he has a larger hold on the Senate and more yes men.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Are you in the "let it burn club?"
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Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Welcome to the fray low info Joe. Jesus Trump loves you, he adores the uneducated.
Germany was looking for a better economy as well and they even got. While hitler was exterminating Jews (and others), people were living the good life. But we know how the story ends, and there's a decent chance trump (and the next trump to be) can cause just as much damage as what happened in Germany.
There's nothing more ruthless and non-caring than a good old fashion holy war. Everyone thinks they have god on their side.
Yeah that all sucks. I really do think this will take an entire generation or two to fully unravel. The most ardent Trump supporters that I know (and data backs this up) are 45 and up. I think it's going to take until some of that generation dies off and we are 20 or 30 years out from Trump being in office.
If we are being honest, the issue isn't Rs vs Ds. The issue is how much people support Trump. My Dad and I had respectable conversations over Bush v Kerry and Obama v Romney even tho we were on opposite sides. His love for Trump is like nothing else. He literally has told me that. He has Trump hats and shirts and hangs on the mans every word. We still talk but I'm just sick of his constant Trump love. If they had nominated Haley and she beat Harris (which she would have imo) then I wouldn't feel anywhere near this.
What we actually need are for people for go back to just liking politicians. This will only happen once Trump is no longer in the picture. Hopefully that's 2028 but he just told the House yesterday half jokingly that he may have to run "if they need him" in 2028 which is exactly what I think may happen. We shall see.
I understand the process of rhetoric being gradually amped up over time as more and more people become desensitized. At this time, I have no reason to believe the plan is to round up brown people and throw them in a concentration camp to be enslaved and tortured to death. That is what we are making comparisons to, correct?
I do not fail to realize anything and understand how shitty and terrible of a human being Trump is. I agree it’s a slippery slope and I have no doubt Trump and his allies will try to take it as far as they want it to go. I just don’t believe there’s any credible evidence to suggest Trump wants to commit genocide against brown people. Again, if that’s what is being compared here (MAGA to Nazi Germany), then I am not willing to make that leap.
In other words: MASA (Make America Sane Again).
I voted against Trump.
I get the concerns. I do.
What else should I do? Because it seems that because I am not willing to draw a comparison of Trump and MAGA to Hitler and Nazis, I am an ostrich with its head in the sand?
I'm aware.
Just pointing out that he's not just looking to deport illegals if you take him at his word.
The problem becomes that as trump people take over, it just might go father than what trump is even wanting, and trump won't be willing to stop it because what he really wants is for people to praise him. As long as the people around him praise him he'll do anything. I have no doubt that MAGA could turn into Nazi Germany. To think it's not possible is exactly the saying in the Holocaust museum, First that came.... My guess is, you're on the list somewhere, the question is, how far down the list will they get.
Trump must be the worst Nazi ever to get so many minority votes. So please stop with comparing him with Hitler. Hitler had socialist views and Trump does not.
Germany was in serious economic despair at this time and people were literally burning currency because it had lost all value. There are literally no parallels that can logically be made between America post-COVID and post-WWI Germany. None.
And the extermination of Jews and other “undesirables” did not start over night. There was a gradual build up over time that started with cartoon caricatures of Jews and other insulting antisemitic propaganda. I cannot envision a scenario in which all of the Republican Party and enough Democrats would sign off on anything remotely close to what started happening in Nazi Germany years before Jews were actually displaced and sent to concentration camps.
God help all of us if I am wrong.
If someone is be exterminated for who they are, I don't think the person is going to care about whether the leader is a socialist or some other label. The connection between the leaders is their actions.
He's meh on Elon although he did hate him 5 years ago haha. My mom and dad divorced many moons ago.
You're stretching a bit here. You don't like him I get it, attack him for his policies, don't fall in line with the Nazi claims. Every Republican President since I've been alive has been accused of this and every single time the accusations were wrong. It's a losing argument. Focus on his policies.
None of what you typed is relevant to the argument being posed.
You are really bad at this.
Only thing I can do is up my savings rate. I was planning on retiring (still hoping to) at 55. At that point, we would also have a healthy amount in a savings account and Roth IRA. I would use my savings account to pay for our annual expenses thereby reducing our income to very little. If the ACA exists, that would ensure we would get a pretty reasonable plan based on our low income. However, with the ACA in doubt, I now plan to up my savings rate and recalibrate once I get closer to 55. Might have to work a couple more years or find a part time job with health benefits if things change.
You're exactly right, it was the economy in Germany. Then hitler started blaming and hating the Jews (and others) and treating them as outsiders. Now let's take a look at why everyone claims they voted for trump, the economy and immigrants. trump has been telling everyone how bad the economy is (just read the posts on here) and complaining about immigrants (outsiders). Exactly the same two issues allowed hitler to take hold of Germany. You really think the democrats will do anything about it? Hell, they don't have the balls to arrest the republicans who have committed crimes. There is zero stopping trump from never leaving office again. This isn't an if situation, it's a when.
Just looking at his cabinet picks it seems Trump wants to burn it down.
That's a problem he's divorced, he only hears his version of the story. Don't worry, he's going to love Elon before too long.
The more chaos becomes the norm, the more trump can do almost anything and no one will care.
What are the odds, between now and 2028, of getting a constitutional amendment through to allow Trump to run again? I'm thinking pretty near zero.
More likely is to amend the constitution to ditch the "natural born" requirement. There's no good reason why long-term citizens who weren't born here should be barred from the presidency.
I wouldn't vote for him, but Elon Musk (US citizen since 2002) should be eligible - just to name an obvious example.
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No right now as stated, its not, but they are going to send them to effectively camps. Lets say violence ensues what happens in these camps. What happens if Trump feels he is losing power and wants to make examples of these immigrants to keep everyone else in line. Without any one else saying no, and the Supreme Court giving Trump free reign, this can get ugly quick. We are at the whim of an individual who has strong authoritarian tendencies and I really think would want to modulate his rule on Putin.
I will acknowledge this is likely a slim possibility, but before I would have said remote or zilch chance. The adults have left the room. Going this far in the curve, with a possibility it could happen is scary as hell.
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What would you recommend for people who are not in the top 10%?
And what about issues other than personal economic security?
I also think the odds are small but by no means impossible especially when he has a bunch of yes people.
I'm not in the top 10% but if people rely on the ACA for insurance, I feel empathy for them. I think it's a good albeit imperfect program. My suggestion would be to look at other options in case the bottom does fall out. Medicaid (if eligible), community health centers, and look at employment options that have health benefits.
I don't understand your second question as it relates to our conversation.
Burning it down is a powerful metaphor.
The rich (as a class) benefit immensely from fire sales.
Trump got the working class to vote for him but he represents the wealthy class.
Yes, I'm saying class warfare is on the way back.
Are you sure? You might be surprised if you look it up. Judging from what you've said.
I'm thinking about living in an America (and world?) with reduced protections (environmental, workplace, food safety...), a reduced safety net (ACA and Medicare, sure, but also food security, housing help, etc.), and reduced social programs like public education, public transport, child care, and so on.
What type of household income is needed for that? I've seen numbers vary wildly for that. Maybe we are and I didn't realize it. My wife(no pics) and I both have healthy incomes so it depends if it's based on individual or household income perhaps.
What is it with this obsession with Trump? I just don't get it. And everything else you said is precisely why I hate politics right now. Can't stand it.
That's the $64,000 question and I can't answer it. I don't understand it at all.
A quick google got me this
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Check your household income percentile vs. 2024's United States income distribution in this calculator. How does it rank: top 1%, median, or other?
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A household income of 166K puts you in the top 20%. $234,770 and your household is top 10%.
