Are you in the "let it burn club?"
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Pretty sure the only thing I ever argued about was when people said they were better off under Biden than they were under Trump. If I had more money in my bank account right now, I may have voted for Harris.
I didn’t rip on every person that he selected for positions with maybe the exception of Harris as we know that selection was more about race and sex than being the correct pick for the position.
I did question who was making some of the decisions because Biden is/was old and seemed to not know what was going on but I never pointed the finger at it being Russia or some dictator making those decisions.
I did laugh at his old age as well when he would fall off his bike or stumble walking up the steps of Air Force 1 but I’ll do the same thing if Trump falls down or wanders off in the wrong direction and wonder why we can’t find anyone younger and better to be our leader.
Guess the counter posts have made it clear. You have your definition, they have theirs. I don't see anyone saying they want the country to fail and become Venezuela.
When folks say "let it burn" its the dramatic flair. This feels very similar to when I tell my kids "don't do that" several times. But they insist on doing it. So I sit back and wait to see if the events unfold as I predicted. I will be there to pick them up when this is over and fix it, and I care for them, but feel a painful lesson might be good for them. And things may be great in the beginning, the happiness and joy of being in charge and carefree. The glee of getting to do what they want, etc. But....
Its not the I told, you it pretty evident what is going to occur. Its like going into fall and I tell my son its going to snow and get cold. he says no, im going to wear my swimming trunk all winter. It gets cold and snows and he decides to put on winter clothes and mad that it happened. Ok this is a shit show, you know its a shitshow, you know there is no one willing to say no, no offramps, nothing that can currently stop us from getting off this crazy train. Get ready, because what else are we to say than say you should be careful what you wish for when a dictator says he is going to burn the swamp down, he just may burn it all down. Gaetz is just a taste.
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There is a very clear difference between "hope it fails" and "watch it fail".
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I've said it for years - conservatives can not think abstractly. It's kind of amazing, really.
There is also a very clear difference in sitting back watching it fail and assisting in it failing.
I was already in that club with good standing the last four years. Glad we put an end to the chapter and we can get things back on track for the country.
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It's pretty obvious they will not be satisfied until everyone joins their idiot cult.
Not going to happen.
Lets be clear. This is the statement. Trump has said he is going to burn it all down. That is why 40% of republican voter base is single (white/black/latino) who just wants to see it burn. This is Trumps mantra, so when liberals say, fine lets watch it burn if thats what you want to do, there isn't who lot we can do.
I'm not reading through 4 pages of this thread but I will say the secretary of defense and Tulsi Gabbard picks disturb me. The defense pick because I think our military is the most vital thing our country has and I think he'll be out over his skis. I hope he proves me wrong. But Gabbard as director of national intelligence is alarming - she regurgitates russian propaganda. Other than those 2, I'm kind of in the let it burn camp.
Not a whole lot i can do to make Trump's policies any worse. Just ask the economists and experts.
I mean, this is the only logical response.
No one should be cheerleading for Trump to fail, but it’s also common sense that our control over this ended on November 5th.
We get what we get. If it all goes to hell, then I see nothing wrong with a bit of gallows’s humor. Either way, we’re ****ed.
How are we going to "assist" in the country failing? We did our part by voting. 50.2% of the voters voted for a different direction. Now we wait and observe to see if all wars will be ended, the border will be "closed", and grocery prices fall.
I guess that is probably where we really differ the most. Most of you seem to know what is going to occur, or think you do. I am going to remain hopeful that good things will happen over the next 4 years. I have far too much at stake to feel otherwise. I won’t say let it burn because I have no desire to say I told you so.. should the worst case scenario happen and we start turning into nazi germany like so many of you think then we shouldn’t be watching it burn, we should be revolting. I am going to choose to hope for the best.
What control did you have before November 5th? Were you one of the puppet masters for Biden?
Exactly right.
Now that Trump has a rubber stamp Congress, and assuming he remains true to his word to slap tariffs on imports, rid the country of a good chunk of its workforce, and mount large budget deficits with his wealthy class welfare program, there is little doubt inflation is going to skyrocket and really **** Main Street and trailer parks.
Too bad, too sad.
Nazi Germany will not happen again in any of our lifetimes.
Lies, propaganda, xenophobia, bigotry, etc. have persisted throughout the world after the end of the Third Reich and that will continue on long after Trump.
You do your midnight holier than thou "makes me sick routine" sober?
That might be sadder than drunk posting.
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I don’t think we will turn into Nazi Germany…that is a bit hyperbolic. If we go that far I would put my life on the line to stop it. But I honestly think that is a weird dark fantasy that is an extremely remote possibility. However I think there is a >50% probability we end up with serious economic challenges in the 2-4 year timeframe (ranging from moderate recession to full 2008 style melt down). I wish it wouldn’t happen, but people voted for policies that, on paper, will deliver just that.
Now we wait and see.
None of us are going to accept a freaking party over country from a right winger. That's beyond laughable.
I have predicted something between current Russia and Hungary. I don't believe a democrat will be allowed to win The White House again in my lifetime. Hopefully I get to admit to being wrong in 4-8 years.
I don't think my post accused you of anything, I just asked if you called Republicans out then like you are Democrats now?
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Not as sad as supporting a rapist, so maybe look in the mirror.
To me, the worry isn't an economic challenge or recession, those can happen regardless of POTUS and the ship is eventually righted. The biggest pandemic in 100 years happened when Trump was in office, did his buffoonery hurt the effort? Yeah. But the storm was weathered.
To me, the concern is the continued poisoning of our culture, traditions and institutions. Which is hard to define, and hard to measure, which is probably why it's easy to dismiss. But through that, we become less of what we were, and worst case scenario become more and more like Russia. And to be fair, lots of people have good lives in Russia, there are plenty of winners, but not my idea of being great again.
I don't - to my knowledge - support any rapists. I think your wires got crossed.
You confuse me sometimes as you seem to go back and forth. Earlier you were agreeing that Trumpers were crazy and that Harris would easily win which I tried telling you wasn't going to happen.
At any rate since you are in the financial sector, how do you forecast these tariffs playing it? I don't see how it helps regain American jobs and I don't see how it helps consumers either. Your thoughts?
Yes, it is a tad hyperbolic I suppose. But then you see Tom’s post just a few below yours. My point is that neither of us truly know what is going to occur. I am going to choose to be hopeful that these next 4 years are prosperous for our country as opposed to letting and watching it burn.
Politics makes you sick, yet you were in the election thread talking about betting on Harris as she fell further and further behind?
This is the drunk post I was talking about being holier than thou. You know, calling out the hypocrisy like you aren't a lunatic too:
"It’s sad that I know what you jackwads are hoping for? Alrighty then.
You should go read Bruno’s what if thread about trump and his upcoming term. If you had any doubts about a certain segment of the populations Hope for the success of this country over that timeframe, you won’t for long. It’s funny how that same group has admonished the maga crew for hoping for failure the last 4 years, but here we are. Hypocrisy at its finest. But, for some reason, it is always sooooooo much different when the left does it. Makes me sick."
Yeah, really reads like a sober person who is sick of politics.
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I’m hopeful too in my own way. My optimism comes in believing the American electorate will eventually be smart enough to realize what a mistake they made choosing the MAGA form of governance. That’s why I am ok with a painful lesson. It doesn’t always work to tell your kid something is hot. Sometimes you have to them burn their finger and learn for themselves.
At the same time a part of me thinks that is naive optimism…we Americans tend not to learn the lessons history teaches us.
I think it is my coping mechanism. I didn’t want trump to win, but here we are. I have to be hopeful for the next 4 years as do you. I guess that is my point.
From what I have read on the tariffs, which honestly isn’t much as of right now as I was clearly overly optimistic about Harris winning, is he has called for tariffs across the board. If that is the case it is a terrible idea, imo. Not just economically but why ruffle the feathers of our allies? It wouldn’t be good.
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"Let Trump be Trump" is probably a better way to phrase it than "Burn It All Down."
This essay sums up my feelings on the subject pretty well:
www.thebulwark.com
This essay sums up my feelings on the subject pretty well:
A Modest Proposal: Let Trump Be Trump
Democrats should not try to save America from itself.
www.thebulwark.com
