Lost my twin brother who was also my college roommate and my best friend at age 20. All I felt was pain and I would have traded places with him in a second. I guess that was it for me.
Sorry for your loss.
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Lost my twin brother who was also my college roommate and my best friend at age 20. All I felt was pain and I would have traded places with him in a second. I guess that was it for me.
I don't fear death. It's lights out. There is no heaven/hell. I fear leaving my kids and wife too early as the kids are still fairly young.
I don't understand this point of view in the least.
99.999999999999999999999%Are you 100% certain death is "lights out?"
Yes, Cops and Ambulance came for her. Cops were there within 2 min. Her arms and legs were cut up and bleeding and she had a concussion. There were two small children in the SUV watching it all go down. They acted like it happens all the time. I gave my statement to the police but haven't heard anything.Did you call 911?
What happened to the woman?
99.999999999999999999999%
That's just sad. If you're wrong about what comes next, nothing that you did in this life matters. Every good thing that you might have done was done in service to something that didn't exist rather than for the purpose of making things here better. If your life warrants whatever "reward" you think exists after death, why would someone who lived a better, more helpful life than you be excluded simply because they didn't believe such a thing existed?Everything depends on life after death, in my judgment. If there's no life after death, life is pointless.
If there's a bad life after death, that's even worse. If there's a good life after death, that changes the calculation.
That's just sad. If you're wrong about what comes next, nothing that you did in this life matters. Every good thing that you might have done was done in service to something that didn't exist rather than for the purpose of making things here better. If your life warrants whatever "reward" you think exists after death, why would someone who lived a better, more helpful life than you be excluded simply because they didn't believe such a thing existed?
I hope you get what you want. It doesn't answer my question, though. Do good people get eternal damnation because they didn't believe? Or do bad people get your Beatific Vision just because they did? Faith or acts?It's a mystery.
I personally hope for the Beatific Vision as opposed to eternal damnation after death.
I hope you get what you want. It doesn't answer my question, though. Do good people get eternal damnation because they didn't believe? Or do bad people get your Beatific Vision just because they did? Faith or acts?
It's not up to you, but would you feel differently about a God that would send good people to damnation and evil people to heaven based strictly on their belief or lack thereof? That kind of God seems like the opposite of a loving father.It's not up to me. That's my answer.
Sorry if it's not satisfying.
most posters saying they have no fear of death are saying that as a result of having no worries (of say leaving behind struggling dependents) and/or no regrets (ie already had fantastic life experiences). but how is that sufficient to truly erase fear of death? as an analogy, a young ukranian does a great job in college (ie learns all kinds of shit, good grades etc) but upon graduating is ordered to report to bakhmut front line, how can he have no fear? his former experience has nothing to do with the latter, which he knows nothing about. it's a discontinuous leap. otoh, if he's truly prepped and trained and prepared for what bakhmut brings, i could see him having no fear.
Agree. Going to sleep and passing in the night is for the fortunate few.I don’t fear death, but like others have said, I do fear a slow painful death such as cancer or something similar. That scares the shit out of me. If I die, my wife will be fine financially, but I would hate to not live a full life with her. It’s not the end we fear, it’s how it ends for most of us I think.
Ah, well, I think we are differentiating here between fear of death in the general sense in the indefinite future versus fear of dying at a specific point in time. I am okay with the fact that I will one day die - something I could not honestly say when I was a teen.most posters saying they have no fear of death are saying that as a result of having no worries (of say leaving behind struggling dependents) and/or no regrets (ie already had fantastic life experiences). but how is that sufficient to truly erase fear of death? as an analogy, a young ukranian does a great job in college (ie learns all kinds of shit, good grades etc) but upon graduating is ordered to report to bakhmut front line, how can he have no fear? his former experience has nothing to do with the latter, which he knows nothing about. it's a discontinuous leap. otoh, if he's truly prepped and trained and prepared for what bakhmut brings, i could see him having no fear.
It's not up to you, but would you feel differently about a God that would send good people to damnation and evil people to heaven based strictly on their belief or lack thereof? That kind of God seems like the opposite of a loving father.
I didn't ask if it was up to you...I asked what you believe. Your religion says no number of selfless deeds nor quality of goodness gets you into Heaven. You have to believe a certain creed. You must believe in the Holy Trinity. You must be baptized. Do YOU believe that or not?It's not up to me. That's my answer.
Sorry if it's not satisfying.
I don’t think about it much but if the thought ever passes my mind, my first thought is my elementary school aged kids. Once they are old enough to not need me anymore I would be a lot more at ease with the idea of dying.
Never really have. I try to live my life like there's no tomorrow, within reason of course, because there might not be. I've lost too many friends pre 40 to count and my medical condition could stop my clock at any moment.
So do you believe out of fear or love of God?People only go to Hell because they choose it. If they reject God, He just respects their choice.
That's my view.
So do you believe out of fear or love of God?
I’ll do ya one better friend, would love to personally snuff ya out in your time of need. Just DM brah😎No problem with death. Don’t fear it.
What I fear is being stuck in a craptastic nursing home with some sort of shitty disease or a stroke etc. and having people have to wipe my ass and take care of me while I lay there waiting to die.
Promise me one of you magnificent bastards will find a pro to give me a wristy and then smother me with a pillow.
I didn't ask if it was up to you...I asked what you believe. Your religion says no number of selfless deeds nor quality of goodness gets you into Heaven. You have to believe a certain creed. You must believe in the Holy Trinity. You must be baptized. Do YOU believe that or not?
Feel free to dodge it again - I realize this can be uncomfortable to contemplate.
I come to GIAOT for the lulz, YOU TAKE THIS HEART-WRENCHING TALE SOMEWHERE ELSE PAL!This American Life 779
Really, really thoughtful and affecting story.
This is a story you really don't hear. Basically, the story-- there's this couple. He gets Alzheimer's. And, of course, so many of us know people with Alzheimer's. I feel like it's like watching somebody who you love-- I don't know-- just drift slowly off into space. The things that make them them get taken away, one after another.
And in this couple, the man, while he still had his wits about him, wanted some kind of assisted suicide before it got too late. And so his wife looks around and finds this place in Switzerland to go to. And what makes the book so special is that just-- I don't know-- the dailyness and realness of the way that his wife tells what that was like to go through.
And they're this interesting couple that you get to know. Very specific people going through this thing that-- honestly, for everybody I have known with dementia or Alzheimer's, I have never met anybody who made this particular choice. And you get to hear how that plays out. And it's very life-sized.
That's an expected dodge but I'll let it go. Let's stipulate that this person KNOWS the stance of your religion but explicitly rejects it. No manner nor amount of saintly activity gets them into Heaven. Do you believe that?That's not true, actually.
You should do more research. Feel free to be more accurate next time.
“Those also can attain to everlasting salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the gospel of Christ or his Church, yet sincerely seek God and, moved by grace, strive by their deeds to do his will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does divine Providence deny the help necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God, but who strive to live a good life, thanks to his grace” (Lumen Gentium, no. 16).
Who Can Be Saved?
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That's an expected dodge but I'll let it go. Let's stipulate that this person KNOWS the stance of your religion but explicitly rejects it. No manner nor amount of saintly activity gets them into Heaven. Do you believe that?
I know exactly what it is but we're not talking about isolated tribes in the Amazon jungle. No one said anything about forcing anything...you invented that. You continue to dodge because you don't want to state your belief. That's perfectly fine. It's a really simple question and if you don't want to answer it just say so rather than engaging in this charade.How is it a dodge??
You've never heard of "invincible ignorance?" It's like Theology 101. Beginner stuff. You made claims that weren't true.
If someone doesn't want to go to Heaven, of course, they won't be forced to. Forcing them would be a violation of free will.
Many, many atheists don't want to go to Heaven. I've talked to some myself, including a college professor I know who said "Heaven would be boring" and that he would prefer Hell.
Christopher Hitchens was another one.
I know exactly what it is but we're not talking about isolated tribes in the Amazon jungle. No one said anything about forcing anything...you invented that. You continue to dodge because you don't want to state your belief. That's perfectly fine. It's a really simple question and if you don't want to answer it just say so rather than engaging in this charade.
LOL...ok...you don't want to answer on your personal beliefs. I get it. No problem.😆 Are you trolling?
I just answered your question. Anyone that doesn't want to go to Heaven won't go there because of their free choice.
LOL...ok...you don't want to answer on your personal beliefs. I get it. No problem.
Just listened to that, great episode.This American Life 779
Really, really thoughtful and affecting story.
This is a story you really don't hear. Basically, the story-- there's this couple. He gets Alzheimer's. And, of course, so many of us know people with Alzheimer's. I feel like it's like watching somebody who you love-- I don't know-- just drift slowly off into space. The things that make them them get taken away, one after another.
And in this couple, the man, while he still had his wits about him, wanted some kind of assisted suicide before it got too late. And so his wife looks around and finds this place in Switzerland to go to. And what makes the book so special is that just-- I don't know-- the dailyness and realness of the way that his wife tells what that was like to go through.
And they're this interesting couple that you get to know. Very specific people going through this thing that-- honestly, for everybody I have known with dementia or Alzheimer's, I have never met anybody who made this particular choice. And you get to hear how that plays out. And it's very life-sized.
No...you really didn't. You threw in a qualifier to provide cover. I never said "atheist". I never said they don't want to go to Heaven. You invented that whole thing to avoid the question. People can reject the idea of a three-headed god, the necessity of getting dribbled with water, even the idea that Jesus was divine...and still WANT to go to Heaven. I'm not going to ask again because you've made it abundantly clear that you don't wish to disclose your personal views. Perfectly ok but you should just say so.You can't be serious.
I just gave you my personal belief.