Fair enough. Not my first choice but at least this acknowledges the problem and is an attempt to do something about it.
Bernie Sanders' $15 minimum wage
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Fair enough. Not my first choice but at least this acknowledges the problem and is an attempt to do something about it.
Most people on welfare don't or won't work. Take away welfare and crime goes out of control. Face it some people don't deserve anything. Please stop with the entitlement thinking.
If you can live on less than $15 an hour, why should we raise it? And didn't you say you were paying for corporate welfare or something like that? How so?
So you're guessing you make less than $15 /hr(I'd guess that as well) but can make ends meets and you want others to pay for the deadbeats who can't manage what they have? Why is that fair?
BTW, I'm all for stakeholders in businesses being voted against and having to pay these taxes as well. I want it on the table. I'm fine with the tension. I don't want to hear ads from publicly traded companies which pretend like they're not what they are and I'm even more sick of government employees suggesting they're the benevolent truth.
Where did I say that we should pay for people who can't manage money? I just want people who want to work to get paid enough so they can have a home and have the time to give them a chance to raise their kids in a way that doesn't guarantee that the next generation will be on welfare as well.
I kind of like it. If you think of it as a bribe to keep the barbarians at bay, it might be a bargain. I'm watching Vikings tonight and I bet Paris wished they could just pay $15 to make the rabble go away. Imagine if we had a draft. We could round this group up and send them over seas every few years.
All i know is that i now pay $13,520 for one child at daycare now. about a 10+% increase from 8 months ago. I cant even afford to have any more kids at those rates. And yes i have checked out other places and they either dont have openings or they are the same rate.
People talk about the poor college kids having to pay tuition, We'll what about parents paying for daycare. At least tuition can be financed and deferred until graduation. Daycare has to be paid each month. And tuition is still cheaper at only 8,100 dollars per year.
These days only the rich and the poor can have lots of babies. and only the poor are paid to have babies.
People talk about the poor college kids having to pay tuition, We'll what about parents paying for daycare. At least tuition can be financed and deferred until graduation. Daycare has to be paid each month. And tuition is still cheaper at only 8,100 dollars per year.
These days only the rich and the poor can have lots of babies. and only the poor are paid to have babies.
You just said you make far less than $15/hr but can still pull off life. Why can't others do it? It won't be easy or ideal but I've done it. I've also worked 80-90 hours/week for long periods to start and maintain a business.
Why? Not everyone needs to own a home (although it's better for the tax base). Owning a home would be one of those "motivational" things to get people to get better skilled.
Because I believe that 40/week is all you should have to work to reach the minimum standards for shelter and food. Anything more than that you need to either work more or get more skills. I just want parents home to raise their kids. I think a big part of the problems we have right now are the complete collapse of the middle class, and to a far greater extent, poor families. Granted, having the parents home isn't going to fix everything (it's a lot more complicated than this) but it will help. At least the kids will have someone telling them to go to bed, do their homework, and make sure they are fed at night. Unless they are crappy parents. If that's the case then there's nothing anyone can do other than teaching kids good parenting somewhere along the line.
And congrats on running a business. That's really hard work, certainly not something just anyone can do. I really hope you were able to pull in more money than just enough for basic shelter and food.
I agree with all of that (except the first sentence) but disagree with your solution. Good luck to you.
This whole thing is stupid. Bio's idea is to pay everyone more in wages and then pay more for services. That's exactly what you said above correct? How is this even a debatable topic? You literally have to be the dumbest person alive to not understand how this doesn't change anything but the amount of money exchanging hands.
It's not that simple because for it to work properly, not everyone is making as much money and if the market is allowed to work properly (which is another story) prices can be managed.
Minimum wage is nothing more than the Democrats attempt to make up for inflation. It's a revolving cycle that progressively f***s this country.
Direct and to the point. More of the evidence that our monetary system devalues it's currency. A stick of butter is still just a stick of butter. Address the disease, not the symptoms.
If you increase the "minimum" wage, by mandatory law, then you increase EVERYONE'S income proportionately. Of course, that doesn't fix the problem. When your currency is backed by monetized debt, it will never be corrected. Debt, interest, debt, interest.
That's the big problem with income inequality. Money is power. The greater the disparity between the wealth of the employer and the common laborer, the less the employer has to pay in wages. A minimum wage helps to curb abuses.
The fact that you think the market and prices should be managed is really all anyone in this thread needs to know Bernie.
So why can't they take classes and earn a degree or a certification of some sort to remove themselves from this situation? On a quick glance, there are tons of Nursing jobs open right now, for example.
First, when are they supposed to do this and work 80 hours a week to feed their family? That's just not a realistic option. Second, because a lot of people just aren't smart enough to become a nurse. Some people are only smart enough to take your money at a cash register. So those people should starve? The big unspoken thing is not everyone is capable of being a nurse. So those people should starve, even though they work as hard as anyone else? That just isn't right.
They probably wouldn't, but there are a huge number of people where there aren't two parents.
The concept plays well to potential poor voters, but I would like to see an accurate assessment of the impact $15 minimum wage has on small businesses.
Lucky if there is one parent. Lots of grandparents, Aunts & Uncles raise kids because both parents are dead, in jail or have run off.
Then come out as pro-marriage. Gay, straight, or otherwise.
Marriage is a poverty killer. We don't need to patronize single parents.
Don't double down on the 80 hrs a week thing.
The math didn't work the first time and it still doesn't now.
That means you have to take responsibility\accountability which just won't happen for the millions the government keeps (yes keeps) on their tit.
A. All of us who work pay taxes. And I'm betting I'm paying more than you.
B. IT'S NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S MONEY!!!!! The real question is how much of OUR MONEY does the Gov waste? Giving it to bad business is part of that. And if anyone is really, truely trying to stop crony capitalism it's NOT the left. At least not Hillary or the Clintons.
C. You haven't carried shit.
D. Increasing the min wage only reduces the labor force (In the real world, outside of Gov, they really do reduce head count when times are tough) and increases the prices of everything. It WON'T be just MW people that get raises, as OP points out we'll have a whole other class of skilled labor that will now be underpaid. On and on it goes until inflationary pressure MORE THAN wipes out the $15 MW increase.
And the idea of paying $5-$10 more for a meal isn't realistic and would have HUGE impacts on the resturant business. We have a family income multiple times US average and even for us it would greatly impact our eating out. To the family making $53k a year it would be dramatic reductions.
Great. So don't have more kids than you can afford. For some people, that number would be "zero". And for many people, that number SHOULD be "zero".
Why do you need to have "lots" of babies anyway? Are you starting a commune in the woods or something?
