Best Point Guard in the Fran Era?
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Someone should tell Fran that good point guards are important,
Jbo 6 seasons, gessel 4 seasons. Not many options to consider
Marble and then Gessel. It's crazy with our offense how we can't get a good PG.
Yep, the best traditional PG. Marble was the better player, but played PG because he was just better with the ball in his hands.
And he hasn't recruited a better PG in the last 10 years. Not bad for a coach that in his playing days was known as "White Magic"
Why it took this long to recruit a point guard from the East Coast in Bowen is beyond me but as a 3 star recruit it's not a given that he will contribute as everyone expects....it took Perkins until his Sophomore year and Ulis is still struggling to find his offense, but miracles do happen....
Gesell was better all around than Cartwright. Cartwright couldnt shoot or guard.
Mid majors all across the country don’t seem to have a problem getting them.
It's a joke that Fran had to leave Jbo on the floor to get torched, but he didn't have any options. Joe T. and Perkins were complete train wrecks and Ulis is not good. Nice end to the season with a BTT title--never thought I would see that, but another NCCA face plant. Not sure how a team can win the BTT on Sunday, talk a bunch of crap on social media and then play weak ass uninspired basketball like they did Thursday.
As much as I dislike Fran as a coach, that L was on the players. Lack of mental toughness and nobody stepping up other than Pmac. You can't mask bad guard play in the tourney and it showed up yet again. Mooney clowned Fran with the scout and game prep--make Keegan work his ass off to get baskets and exploit Jbo on D. What was Fran's plan? Show the country his team can't defend junior high back cuts?
As much as I dislike Fran as a coach, that L was on the players. Lack of mental toughness and nobody stepping up other than Pmac. You can't mask bad guard play in the tourney and it showed up yet again. Mooney clowned Fran with the scout and game prep--make Keegan work his ass off to get baskets and exploit Jbo on D. What was Fran's plan? Show the country his team can't defend junior high back cuts?
Bowen may end up the 1st high quality PG under fran.
I like that at least Fran tried to recruit a couple guys that look the part. I like JoeT....he really is a good defensive player, but his lack of offensive game limits his use. Ulis also looks like a good prospect, except his shooting.
I would rank JBO >>> Gessel. At least JBO made some big shots in his career. Cartwright was a 20% 3pt shooter.
A lot of Iowa's pg issues over last 6 years are result of Fran's original plan to make CMAC the starting PG at Iowa. The PG recruiting was limited because no high quality pg wanted to be playing behind coach's son and Fran wasn't motivated to find a high level guy that would put his kid on the bench.
hope your right about Bowen, no comment on the JBO compare...
Until this point in time during the Fran era, we have yet to have an elite point guard or even a 2 guard for that matter. We have had some solid guards but not elite. In this tournament you have to have an elite point guard to advance. At the end of shot clock situations you have to create and make plays because every set play has been scouted or they just use brute force to blow up every set. You have to have that one guy (Guards) who can go get a bucket. That is just the way I see it.
Pretty telling that most struggle to identify the best Iowa point guard under FM.
Given his accomplishments and even though it's currently fashionable to bash him, the obvious answer is Jordan Bohannon. He was a good ball handler, could pass and score (especially in some clutch situations). Everything you want in a PG. Yes, he was defensively challenged by some opposition, but no PG we've had has been perfect. He just made the mistake of hanging on a bit too long and became the scapegoat for some of our team failures.
I am really hoping that Dasonte Bowen turns out to be a most pleasant surprise as a three star recruit, because neither Joe T nor Ulis appear to be the answer to the original question.
I am really hoping that Dasonte Bowen turns out to be a most pleasant surprise as a three star recruit, because neither Joe T nor Ulis appear to be the answer to the original question.
Offensively, JBo and it's not even close. Defensively, probably Joe T. Overall, JBo has such a massive advantage offensively that no one's defense can make up the gap.
Point guard recruiting is a bit of a crapshoot. Everyone wants a quick ball handler that can shoot 3s and defend, but there just aren’t that many and they can take time to develop. I thought Toussant was a really good get. He’s been solid but inconsistent. I have high hopes for Bowen. Marble was pretty damn good, but not your prototypical point.
Jbo was far from everything you want in a pg.
He couldn't do much of anything inside the 3pt line.
Gilyard was an example of everything you want in a pg.
A guy who can put pressure on the defense by attacking the basket and creating easy opportunities for others is what I want to see in a pg.
Cartwright was the worst starting PG of the Fran era by far. Couldnt shoot. Didnt even think about defending.
Never saw anyone get blocked as much as Gessel did when driving in for a layup. And not just blocked, but absolutely stuffed.
I always thought opponents baited Gesell and his enabler (Fran).....they'd give him an early drive and he'd make a layup, but as soon as crunch time came, it would be a a major swat and turn the tide in the game.
Everything he did was telegraphed.
It was always one speed, straight line to the basket. Easy for a shot blocker to time.
When you're that size you have to look defenders off, pass fake, change speeds and know how to shield yourself with the rim and body.
I’ll settle for Iowa making it past the first weekend of the NCAA Tournament. That seems like it would be a huge miracle at this point.
You make a great point in Fran not wanting to recruit over CMAC. This isn’t exclusive to Connor or Patrick though. Fran needs to find a true center over Rebraca but won’t even look for one because he’s loyal to a fault and Filip is his guy. How many guys on scholarship under Fran didn’t see meaningful game action? Not many that I can think of unless they redshirted. It’s okay to recruit over guys and needed if you want to be a contender.
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Tyger Campbell.
Seriously, Gessel and Cartwright had similar stats, neither was a great shooter, decent amount of assists, minimal turnovers. Not really game changing by any stretch.
I have pointed this out in the past, but Fran has generally been reluctant to sign guys 6'2" or shorter. I know we have a bunch now, but if you go back to his first year, there are not many. He likes long and lean.
Seriously, Gessel and Cartwright had similar stats, neither was a great shooter, decent amount of assists, minimal turnovers. Not really game changing by any stretch.
I have pointed this out in the past, but Fran has generally been reluctant to sign guys 6'2" or shorter. I know we have a bunch now, but if you go back to his first year, there are not many. He likes long and lean.
Late to the party on this thread and didn't read through the thread but I suspect in 5 years Desonte Bowen will be at the top of the list.
I think the OP baited everyone on this question, because there isn't one. It's really too bad that UK came in and swooped Tyler Ulis from Fran who had recruited him from the get go. I voted Mikey G and in hindsight that is not saying much. J-Bo and Dev were both deserving, but not true college PGs. I had hoped that Joey T was going to be that uncut diamond PG recruit we desperately have craved. Having said that, I am now pinning my hopes on Desonte Bowen to be the answer to the question.
It's really too bad that UK came in and swooped Tyler Ulis from Fran who had recruited him from the get go. I voted Mikey G and in hindsight that is not saying much. J-Bo and Dev were both deserving, but not true college PGs. I had hoped that Joey T was going to be that uncut diamond PG recruit we desperately have craved. Having said that, I am now pinning my hopes on Desonte Bowen to be the answer to the question.
Cartwright couldn’t defend?!! That, right there is funny considering what we saw on Thursday, and the last six years.
You do realize that it doesn’t matter how good a player is on offense, if he can’t defend and gives up more points and assists to the opposing player playing the same position, the team is not going to do well come tournament time.
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