Please. You know and I know Trump loses against anyone not named Clinton that year. Not to mention everything we’ve seen the last 8 years tells us Trump is truly a unicorn.
so yeah, I’m counting out RFK.
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so yeah, I’m counting out RFK.
IIRC Hillary and her ilk were actually celebrating a win 2 days in advance of the election. In the Dems eyes it was over before it even started. Don't give me the "Trump loses against anyone not named Clinton".
On the other hand, I can confidently say Trump would have an actual race on his hands if it were anyone other than someone named Kennedy running as a 3rd party this year. With a Kennedy running 3rd party Biden is in big, big trouble.
I've seen videos of all of it except Joe showering with his daughter.
Wannabet?
The turnout will be less than 2020. The mail in ballot fiasco will not take place this time. That was a one off as the dems spent 100% of their time taking advantage of COVID and pushing as many of their wish lists as possible and used COVID as the mechanism.
Trump may not win but it'll be close.
in 2022 you had the Roe v Wade drum to beat. Now we have immigration. You far underestimate the undercurrent of anger over his open border policies. Aside from that, many democrats may stay home as they are unhappy over his Israel policies. Which is one of the things I agree with Biden on actually.
You cant possibly look at his disapproval numbers and think this will be a landslide.
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Who would bet with known welchers? Fraud, cheated! Not gonna pay.
Oh there’s no question Clinton ran a terrible general campaign - she took Wisconsin and Michigan in particular for granted. That’s why I say anyone else (or at least anyone who was a good campaigner) beats Trump in ‘16.
But Kennedy is simply not likely to pull in a significant portion of the vote; and I took a quick gander on google - it’s an open question right now who he might take more votes from; Biden due to his recent status as a democrat, or trump due to his conspiracy/anti-vax views.
Hillary might have been only candidate Trump could beat.
Trump might be only candidate Biden can beat.
Trump might be only candidate Biden can beat.
I think Biden would have had a decent chance again DeSantis but would get mopped by Haley.
IMO, if Trump doesn't run again, neither does Biden.
Maybe. Desantis acted “Trump” to try and grab some votes. I think he would have acted a lot differently if Trump didn’t run.
I can see what you are saying. However, I am not sure all of his "Out Trumping Trump" act was fake. He also isn't personable. Trump, for good or bad, has some type of charisma. DeSantis just doesn't has it. It would be interesting to say the least.
Agreed. A subtle “if” where we will never really know unless Desantis writes a truthful tell all in his old age. Which will never happen.
Yeah, we've seen countless attempts since '16 by the GOP to find candidates who act "Trump-like" but can appeal to moderates...outside of their little corners (see DeSantis and FL for example), no one's been able to bottle that and make it work on a large-scale.
imo, it's an acknowledgement on some level by Republicans that MAGA has a hard ceiling on it's appeal, and makes winning statewide/national elections more difficult (on top of GOP struggles in this area in general since '92). They seem to have decided that it's the messengers that have been the problem, and not the message.
You’re trying really hard in this thread. It’s really something to see.
I look at history. No Republican has won the popular vote in decades.
Y’all thought there was going to be a “red wave” last fall. Polling all suggested it. Reality is that none of those occurred, and quite the opposite.
I honestly don’t care about numbers at this point. I don’t trust any polling at this point. None of them have been accurate in the last 18 months.
I’m probably wrong. As I often am. But given the actual results? I guess we will see
They've won the popular vote once, in 2004, since the 80s when they won 3 in a row b/t Reagan and Bush Sr. While they've elected 2 presidents in that time span, the difference in popular vote margin has gotten wider each time, resulting in an ever narrower path to victory.
If GA/AZ stay purple, or start to lean blue - I think AZ is further down this path than GA who easily reelected their GOP governor in '22; and especially, if TX turns purple, they're in a world of hurt.
what matters is that most populous states are increasingly leaning Dem - it's not a good sign for GOP if Biden wins GA again for example.
He won’t. I think that the dems are overestimating their chances just like Republicans did in 2022.
I'm not - I fully expect a close race in the battlegrounds in November; can't say I've seen too many Dems seem super-optimistic about Biden. Main reason for confidence would be due to facing Trump a 2nd time.
'22 delivered mixed messages - Warnock won by 2%, whereas Kemp won reelection in large part because he had defied Trump and Georgians at least respected him for that; in particular by winning the GOP nomination against the Trump-backed candidate in a rout.
At the moment - I think Dems win back the House, GOP takes the Senate, and presidency leans Biden - mostly due to incumbency advantage. and yes, pre-covid I expected Trump to win re-election in '20.
Joe Biden has the worst approval rating of any president in modern times at this point in their presidency. You think that he’s gonna win? I mean honestly.
Inflation
Immigration
Foreign Policy
Age
Cognitive decline.
Worst VP probably ever
All drags on his reelection chances. The top two big time.
True. But a lot of people realize their lives were better under Trump so who knows.
Against anyone but Trump, Biden loses. Of course, if Trump weren't running, I don't believe Biden is either.
sure - that's clearly why Trump is (checks polls) barely polling much better than Biden.
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Not a red state in the top ten...shocking...
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A slightly different methodology, and perhaps less measurable source, but only two red states in the top twenty. Again, shocking...
Which states are the most educated?
Of the top ten most educated states, nine are located on the east coast.
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Including the District of Columbia, a red state (Utah) peeks through at fourteen! Then a red state again at 20, leaving the rest of the top twenty blue. Again, shocking...
This Map Shows The Most Educated States In America
New data shows the most educated states in the country.
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I could link sources that say the same all night.
I wonder why all the educated states vote blue.
Interesting...
More people remember how terrible Trump was. Trump will energize the vote, to whomever his opponent is.
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Well if the GOP wants to getting back to winning popular support they may want to consider expanding their base.
Otherwise you’re likely to become an unhappy person.
