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Big 12 distributes $36.5M to each of the 10 schools; Texas gets additional $15M for Longhorn Network

Wow LC. That is the work of people like PyschoTwins. What was the Iowa score at halftime? So they lost. At least we get to BCS games. Once again, for the third time. In 120 years, how many bowl games has ISU won, what is the best Bowl win, and how many top 25 finishes? My God, why do ISU fans get off on Iowa losing a couple BCS games (won one as well) when most years you and your team are on the couch come Bowl season in a crappy conference? Seriously, that is sad.
You are careening off on a tangent (again), Cujo.

I think that in addition to your other problems, you have a different concept of what I'm saying when I talk of being embarrassed. After you guys got humiliated by Stanford a couple of years ago and everybody was on this board bitching and wailing, I posted that I'd rather get blown out of a Rose Bowl than win a minor bowl. That isn't what I'm talking about.

And NOBODY -- except you, apparently -- is talking about how many bowl games ISU has won in 120 years. Good heavens.
 
Fair enough LC. I do have problems apparently, I just don't get other Clone fans (you excluded) taking more enjoyment in an Iowa BCS loss than a Clone win over Kansas or UNI. That is all.
 
"Embarrassment" is in the eye of the beholder.

Iowa got blown out on a neutral field by a team that was ranked lower than Iowa. Hawks ran the opening kickoff back for a TD, then got shelled 38-3 until scoring a TD at mop-up time. ISU led at halftime and was in the game late in the fourth quarter -- despite Seneca getting hurt on the first series and missing a good part of the game -- eventually losing to a team ranked above them on its own field. Cyclones scored late in the game, went for two, failed, tried an onside kick, it didn't work, Boise passed for a TD with 27 seconds left in the game.

The rest of the boilerplate in your post has nothing whatever to do with the subject.

Congrats for almost hanging close with Boise St. in a game nobody gave a crap about.
 
Gonzo - my point exactly. So we lost bad in the second half to USC and to Stanford. 2 BCS games. We also won a BCS game and Kirk has beaten Florida twice, LSU, South Carolina, Missouri etc. While ISU was losing badly on the blue field to a Mountain West team and sitting at home when we finished in the top 10 after a Stanford loss. I think Kirk probably has as many top 10 finishes (5) as ISU has top 25 finishes in 120 years. I am still waiting for LC to tell me the amount of bowl wins for ISU, their best bowl win and amount of top 25’s in 120 years. It is a historically miserable program. Like Harbie said, “it is Iowa St, well it is Iowa St.”
 
No eyeballs.

Two teams have averaged over 50K for football, 12K for men's basketball and 9K for women's basketball over the past decade or so.

Tennessee is the other one.
Yeah, that 9K of WBB attendance is gonna be a key factor for the networks and streaming services.

On a more general note, there's probably not even that strong of a correlation between in-person attendance and viewership.
 
Georgia - my point. 18k eyeballs at Hilton for a 500 team means 18k overall. Nobody watches ISU except people in the stands ever. Hell I think more people watched every Iowa football game nationwide except playing maybe Rutgers when ISU played Okie. It is a joke.
 
You guys can stop reading right after women's bball attendance is brought up.

Because we all know conference switches, tv deals, and basically the ncaa as we know it depends on that number.
 
Wow LC. That is the work of people like PyschoTwins. What was the Iowa score at halftime? So they lost. At least we get to BCS games. Once again, for the third time. In 120 years, how many bowl games has ISU won, what is the best Bowl win, and how many top 25 finishes? My God, why do ISU fans get off on Iowa losing a couple BCS games (won one as well) when most years you and your team are on the couch come Bowl season in a crappy conference? Seriously, that is sad.

He just seems really lonely. Kind of a sad deal.
 
Iowa state will find itself in the same place as Kansas state, maybe needing to be a part of a lower conference. K state would compete well with Boise and similar schools.
Those tv ratings show why Frost has to win at Nebraska. They use to draw very good ratings.
Wisconsin is holding the West up in the ratings.
 
I thought this a rather amusing side piece, as Bolwsby was much more "bullish" in his distribution projection just six weeks ago...

"Bowlsby told The Charleston Gazette-Mail in an interview posted over the weekend that the Big 12 forecasts “a substantial increase” in distribution to its member schools from last year’s record payout of approximately $34.5 million apiece."

> Forbes article <

$2M = "substantial" ? :rolleyes:
 
"Embarrassment" is in the eye of the beholder.

Iowa got blown out on a neutral field by a team that was ranked lower than Iowa. Hawks ran the opening kickoff back for a TD, then got shelled 38-3 until scoring a TD at mop-up time. ISU led at halftime and was in the game late in the fourth quarter -- despite Seneca getting hurt on the first series and missing a good part of the game -- eventually losing to a team ranked above them on its own field. Cyclones scored late in the game, went for two, failed, tried an onside kick, it didn't work, Boise passed for a TD with 27 seconds left in the game.

The rest of the boilerplate in your post has nothing whatever to do with the subject.

Losing to one of the best teams in college football is worse than getting smoked by Boise State.

Ok, got it!
 

I don't know Lone Clone. This isn't some Iowa person making up this list yet they specifically list ISU being on the outside looking in and Iowa being on the Big Dog list. This isn't a Hawkeye fan telling you this, this is an impartial outsider.
 
Gonzo - my point exactly. So we lost bad in the second half to USC and to Stanford. 2 BCS games. We also won a BCS game and Kirk has beaten Florida twice, LSU, South Carolina, Missouri etc. While ISU was losing badly on the blue field to a Mountain West team and sitting at home when we finished in the top 10 after a Stanford loss. I think Kirk probably has as many top 10 finishes (5) as ISU has top 25 finishes in 120 years. I am still waiting for LC to tell me the amount of bowl wins for ISU, their best bowl win and amount of top 25’s in 120 years. It is a historically miserable program. Like Harbie said, “it is Iowa St, well it is Iowa St.”
Yeah, um the BCS was long gone by the time Stanford destroyed the hawks. The Stanford band did salute Iowa at halftime.
 
I don't know Lone Clone. This isn't some Iowa person making up this list yet they specifically list ISU being on the outside looking in and Iowa being on the Big Dog list. This isn't a Hawkeye fan telling you this, this is an impartial outsider.

Pretty sure his 'LOL' was of this variety...

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I'd probably do the same if my program was described as not moving the needle, secondary, cannon fodder, cupcake for big dogs to get fat on. Pretty brutal stuff in there.
 
If the big 12 in in trouble, what kind of trouble is the ACC and PAC12 in? Big 12 is probably going to distribute 40 million next year and the ACC will likely be sub 30.

The Big 10 and SEC are the power players. Everybody else is fighting after that. However the Big 12 is raking more than the other conferences I don’t see why there continues to be huge concern.
 
If the big 12 in in trouble, what kind of trouble is the ACC and PAC12 in? Big 12 is probably going to distribute 40 million next year and the ACC will likely be sub 30.

The Big 10 and SEC are the power players. Everybody else is fighting after that. However the Big 12 is raking more than the other conferences I don’t see why there continues to be huge concern.

The Big 12 is in trouble because it is pulling TV ratings not even equivalent to the ACC or Pac12. This is because other than Texas and Oklahoma the whole conference is a bunch of commuter colleges/Ag schools in small media markets.

Even Texas and Oklahoma are experiencing lower ratings now due to their poor conference mates. This does not bode well for a future media deal.

The reality of it is that the Big 12 is the equivalent of the American conference notwithstanding OU and Texas. The American is getting 3-4 million per year per school in TV money. When these schools leave as a result of the TV money drying up in a substantial way, that’s the sound of ISU’s future earning potential going down the drain and the athletic department into bankruptcy. Jamie hasn’t exactly been saving for a rainy day for you folks...
 
If the big 12 in in trouble, what kind of trouble is the ACC and PAC12 in? Big 12 is probably going to distribute 40 million next year and the ACC will likely be sub 30.

The Big 10 and SEC are the power players. Everybody else is fighting after that. However the Big 12 is raking more than the other conferences I don’t see why there continues to be huge concern.

No other conference has one team that has its own network AND gets an equal share of the conference revenue; that extra $15M a year is not small potatoes; jealously and pride is going to eventually get to Oklahoma, I am afraid, where they leave, just like Nebraska; once the Oklahoma domino falls, the whole thing collapses
 
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The Big 12 is in trouble because it is pulling TV ratings not even equivalent to the ACC or Pac12. This is because other than Texas and Oklahoma the whole conference is a bunch of commuter colleges/Ag schools in small media markets.

Even Texas and Oklahoma are experiencing lower ratings now due to their poor conference mates. This does not bode well for a future media deal.

The reality of it is that the Big 12 is the equivalent of the American conference notwithstanding OU and Texas. The American is getting 3-4 million per year per school in TV money. When these schools leave as a result of the TV money drying up in a substantial way, that’s the sound of ISU’s future earning potential going down the drain and the athletic department into bankruptcy. Jamie hasn’t exactly been saving for a rainy day for you folks...
you may be right about small market teams. In the next round of realignment, ALL SMALL MARKET TEAMS could be at risk. That would include the mighty iowa hawkeyes since they have the same market constraints as Iowa State
 
you may be right about small market teams. In the next round of realignment, ALL SMALL MARKET TEAMS could be at risk. That would include the mighty iowa hawkeyes since they have the same market constraints as Iowa State

Welcome to the thread. You might find some info in reading through it.

https://graphics.wsj.com/table/COUNT_09212017


Ps. IOWA STATE SUCKS.
 
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Welcome to the thread. You might find some info in reading through it.

https://graphics.wsj.com/table/COUNT_09212017

Thanks Wasn't-drunk People who read the news, including the Wall Street Journal, know Iowa is a solid college football program on very good financial footing. As I have posted before, the Big Ten has never kicked a team out permanently. Suspended, yes, but that was a long time ago with Indiana, I think. Whether they deserve it or not Rutgers and Maryland are safe.

The Big 12 is a heartbeat away from extinction if Oklahoma and/or Texas leaves. The fans will deny it but they fear it. With the recent defections of Nebraska, Texas A&M, Missouri, and Colorado, their fear is well founded. Homecoming 2025 vs. New Mexico.

On the plus side, with all that money maybe the clones can play baseball again.
 
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"Your" an idiot. That is legendary. LC - eyeballs don't mean attendance. Come on you are better than that. And I said nationwide. I am sorry you cannot be a historically horrible program from a small state with already a historic top 25 program in said small state and be relevant nationally. Look, I think Campbell is a hell of a coach and the program is on the rise, but unless that is sustained for quite some time, 100 plus years of futility is hard to erase. I mean, how many bowl wins does ISU have in 120 years and how many top 25 finishes?
Growth of the DSM market as well as proximity will help ISU tremendously in terms of attendance. Face it, the game time experience at ISU has improved tremendously over the last twenty years, whereas the Iowa experience has been fragmented as growth around the stadium has killed off the once fabulous tailgate experience. Everyone raves about the Iowa tailgate experience, but it pales compared to what it was in the late 70's and early 80's.
 
Growth of the DSM market as well as proximity will help ISU tremendously in terms of attendance. Face it, the game time experience at ISU has improved tremendously over the last twenty years, whereas the Iowa experience has been fragmented as growth around the stadium has killed off the once fabulous tailgate experience. Everyone raves about the Iowa tailgate experience, but it pales compared to what it was in the late 70's and early 80's.

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If the big 12 in in trouble, what kind of trouble is the ACC and PAC12 in? Big 12 is probably going to distribute 40 million next year and the ACC will likely be sub 30.

The Big 10 and SEC are the power players. Everybody else is fighting after that. However the Big 12 is raking more than the other conferences I don’t see why there continues to be huge concern.

While the ACC and PAC12 are not doing quite as well financially as the B12, the two conferences have much better markets. I think the current situation is driven by poor management in both conferences, as well as a time zone issue in the PAC12.

However, do you think realignment is going to disregard that of the top 35 television markets, the PAC 12 has 9 (including 6 Top 20) and the ACC has 8-10, depending on how you define the overlap markets with the SEC? BIG12 has three, with Houston (could call it SEC with A&M) and Dallas being two of them. Texas is going forward no matter what. The only one in B12 land north of Texas is Kansas City, which barely makes the list. They're not just going to dismiss flagship schools in huge television markets (UCLA, Arizona and Arizona State, Colorado, Washington, Oregon, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, etc.). Nor are they going to say goodbye to traditional powers like USC, Florida State, Clemson, Miami, etc. Just because they're currently in a bad TV deal?

I think that non-traditional powers in small markets who are low on the lists of overall revenue and value should be concerned.
 
Big10 won't be going anywhere. We are in the drivers seat here. Streaming services generated 10 billion in content. Big 10 research brought in 9.8 billion. Our affiliation with the B10 is academic first, athletic conference second. People would love to join us. Disrupting the B10 would disrupt a lot of alumni and hurt donations. The B10 was founded in 1896. Next closest is the SEC. We aren't going to change much other than add other schools if it suits us (ND or Texas)
 
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The one solace Iowa St. can take is their school is churning out graduates in record numbers. In 7-8 years they may have a decent fanbase built up and a sliver of hope a competent team put on the field. Not likely, but it's possible. In game attendance has nothing to do with viewership over media. Not sure why Lone Clone brought that up.
 
I am pretty sure that eyes and markets will still drive college football regardless of the media players. That won't change regardless of opinion. That puts Iowa and Iowa State in the same boat.
You keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better. Iowa has NEVER been, is not now, and will NEVER be in the same boat as ISU. No matter how that top 35-40 teams is decided, Iowa WILL be in that group. ISU, not so much........
 
Yeah, I am old. But many of the best spots are gone. Plus the experience, while it was competitive, was more friendly. People would invite visitors from Wisconsin or Michigan in for a brat and beer, and there was good natured ribbing involved. People did not get beer thrown on them or spit on. Kegs were everywhere, mass quantities were consumed, and you could go to the tailgate area, eat crazy amounts of food, drink crazy amounts of beer, and not know a soul. Everyone was inviting you in to party. You could set up and start the night before and not leave until Sunday morning. It is a completely different experience today.
 
While the ACC and PAC12 are not doing quite as well financially as the B12, the two conferences have much better markets. I think the current situation is driven by poor management in both conferences, as well as a time zone issue in the PAC12.

However, do you think realignment is going to disregard that of the top 35 television markets, the PAC 12 has 9 (including 6 Top 20) and the ACC has 8-10, depending on how you define the overlap markets with the SEC? BIG12 has three, with Houston (could call it SEC with A&M) and Dallas being two of them. Texas is going forward no matter what. The only one in B12 land north of Texas is Kansas City, which barely makes the list. They're not just going to dismiss flagship schools in huge television markets (UCLA, Arizona and Arizona State, Colorado, Washington, Oregon, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, etc.). Nor are they going to say goodbye to traditional powers like USC, Florida State, Clemson, Miami, etc. Just because they're currently in a bad TV deal?

I think that non-traditional powers in small markets who are low on the lists of overall revenue and value should be concerned.
The West Coast is way more participatory in outdoor sports than most of the country. People would rather go to the Beach, Fish, Hike, Camp or Ride Bikes than sit and watch sports on TV. This impacts the PAC 12's value. Large Latino populations are not as rabid about Football or Basketball as well.
 
you may be right about small market teams. In the next round of realignment, ALL SMALL MARKET TEAMS could be at risk. That would include the mighty iowa hawkeyes since they have the same market constraints as Iowa State
It’s about brand and historic valuation.

Show a Tigerhawk to your average CFB fan and they’ll name the school it belongs to 95% of the time.

Try that with a Cyclone logo and you’ll get a blank stare and shoulder shrug 95% of the time.
 
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No eyeballs.

Two teams have averaged over 50K for football, 12K for men's basketball and 9K for women's basketball over the past decade or so.

Tennessee is the other one.
I think putting the WBB attendance in the equation is embarrassing to Iowa State.

Try this one instead: there are 7 teams that are in the Top 25 in attendance in Men's basketball and football. 4 of them are in the B10 and the other 3 are in the SEC.

Iowa State actually does pretty well in getting people to their games. The problem is that there aren't many people not at the games that care about them.
 
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The West Coast is way more participatory in outdoor sports than most of the country. People would rather go to the Beach, Fish, Hike, Camp or Ride Bikes than sit and watch sports on TV. This impacts the PAC 12's value. Large Latino populations are not as rabid about Football or Basketball as well.
The PAC12 was fine until they butchered their agreement by trying to start up their own conference network and completely botched it, losing some Tier 1 revenue along the way. Where are you going to find more college football fans? In LA and Seattle or Ames, IA/Manhattan, KS/Pullman, WA, etc.?
 
The Big 12 is in trouble because it is pulling TV ratings not even equivalent to the ACC or Pac12. This is because other than Texas and Oklahoma the whole conference is a bunch of commuter colleges/Ag schools in small media markets.

This is false.

Big 12 champ game had a 3.8 rating vs the PAC-12’s 2.3 rating.

The highest rated PAC-12 games are consistently lower than multiple Big 12 games.

There were only 4 PAC 12 games rated higher than the TCU-ISU game last year. Their title game, UCLA-USC, Utah-USC, and USC-Cal.

That is not a conference with a strong TV profile.
 
This is false.

Big 12 champ game had a 3.8 rating vs the PAC-12’s 2.3 rating.

The highest rated PAC-12 games are consistently lower than multiple Big 12 games.

There were only 4 PAC 12 games rated higher than the TCU-ISU game last year. Their title game, UCLA-USC, Utah-USC, and USC-Cal.

That is not a conference with a strong TV profile.

Its not a strong profile for the Pac12, sure. But they have geography and academics which will keep that conference together. And you also forget that this is a multi year exercise when talking ratings.

You and I both know the Big 12 will not survive in its current form come the next TV contract. Even if the schools find a way to stay together, the payouts aren't going to stay competitive for that league, at least compared to the SEC and Big Ten. The Big 12 has fallen miles behind already - if not for Oklahoma that league would be considered the next zombie league like the Big East already.
 
you may be right about small market teams. In the next round of realignment, ALL SMALL MARKET TEAMS could be at risk. That would include the mighty iowa hawkeyes since they have the same market constraints as Iowa State

Iowa has a 40 plus year history of winning football, marquee matchups with enormous TV ratings, being a
championship contender, a large and rich alumni base advertisers want to reach, and is firmly a school in top 15 in revenue generation whether you include TV money in that calculation or not.

Iowa State's reputation is losing football, MAC lite TV ratings, losing the low level bowl games they do reach the lucky year they go 6-6, the athletic department being generally insolvent without direct institutional support*, and being a diploma mill in the middle of nowhere.

*still accurate, over $2m student fees last year, "profit" of less than 100 grand with that support included

In summary, Iowa football has nothing to worry about. Iowa State, should have been shipped to the MAC back when the Big 12 originally formed
 
Its not a strong profile for the Pac12, sure. But they have geography and academics which will keep that conference together. And you also forget that this is a multi year exercise when talking ratings.

You and I both know the Big 12 will not survive in its current form come the next TV contract. Even if the schools find a way to stay together, the payouts aren't going to stay competitive for that league, at least compared to the SEC and Big Ten. The Big 12 has fallen miles behind already - if not for Oklahoma that league would be considered the next zombie league like the Big East already.

The Big 12 is as far ahead of the Pac12 as the Big 10 is over the Big 12.

You’re right, the Big 12 probably doesn’t exist in the same form after the next round. However, I think Bowlsby is doing a good job and I think the big 12 is in a better position to be a buyer than a seller in the next round.
 
You keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better. Iowa has NEVER been, is not now, and will NEVER be in the same boat as ISU. No matter how that top 35-40 teams is decided, Iowa WILL be in that group. ISU, not so much........
Yeah, I don't think so. Iowa is not, never has been, and never will be a big market team. If market is the driver and big market teams decide they want more of the pie, Iowa could very well be SOL.
 
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