Big 12 distributes $36.5M to each of the 10 schools; Texas gets additional $15M for Longhorn Network
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They still have to play SOMEONE! You can't make a meaningful 13 game schedule out of playing only the top nine or ten teams. Historically Iowa is a top 25 to 30 team, and has the financial chops and history to hang. ISU on the other hand could disappear, and no one nationally would notice or give a damn.
What I find interesting is that Texas can do whatever the hell they please and no Big12 school will stand up to them.
Texas gets an equal share of Big12 revenue and they get to keep all of the $15M from the Longhorn Network.
ISU fans conveniently avoid discussing this huge issue.
Even big egos Jim Harbaugh and Urban Meyer don't advocate for a separate network for their school. We all know that there will never be a "Wolverine Network" or a "Buckeye Network."
I still think pride is going to win out and Oklahoma is gonna bolt the conference the first good offer they get. When that happens? Bye bye Big 12 and good luck to ISU in where they land (MAC, at best).
Texas gets an equal share of Big12 revenue and they get to keep all of the $15M from the Longhorn Network.
ISU fans conveniently avoid discussing this huge issue.
Even big egos Jim Harbaugh and Urban Meyer don't advocate for a separate network for their school. We all know that there will never be a "Wolverine Network" or a "Buckeye Network."
I still think pride is going to win out and Oklahoma is gonna bolt the conference the first good offer they get. When that happens? Bye bye Big 12 and good luck to ISU in where they land (MAC, at best).
This issue has a real chance of rearing its ugly head at Ohio St, Mich, and Penn St. Let's see your reaction when these lifelong B10 partners decide they want to get theirs. We will see your reaction. They have pretty much relegated the B10 have nots to the West division.
Hey, Rat (interesting name, btw)....
Keep hoping!
Speaking of hoping....You, the ISU fans, and the ISU administrators can do nothing but sit in the back seat and let Texas do whatever it wants and hope that the Big 12 has a future and that Iowa State will be part of that future.
That's a lot of hoping and wishful thinking! Good luck with that plan!
Iowa can do nothing either. Hawks are relegated to hoping with no input at the big boy table. Good luck!
thanks for the laugh. we call you little brother for a reason. it's the Hawkeye State for a reason.
any way, Rat, why are you here, any way? It is the Hawkeye State and Hawkeye Report.... I guess its impossible to stay away....
There are only 2 conferences that could offer more. The Big 10, and you guys always go on about academics so OU isn’t getting an invite. That leaves the SEC. The options are limited outside the Big 12.
ISU fans have given up trying to explain it to Hawkeye fans because it's like trying to talk to a fencepost.
Nobody whose moniker is "Franisdaman" should be talking smack about anybody else's screen name.
LOL. What is there to explain?
Is quite clear what's going on. Texas is ALONE in the driver's seat, it has its own network that generates $15M/year (and keeps it all), it gets an equal share of the Big12 revenue and ISU is in the back seat saying "yes, sir" to whatever Texas wants.
ISU Is little brother to Iowa and Texas, for that matter.
Anything I miss?.
I highly doubt it happens and won’t happen this way. If we went back to 2010 some of the predictions would be absolutely comical.
There are a million things that can happen. Some would be good for Iowa State and some would be bad. The idea that conferences would disappear is almost comical to me though - as has been said many times on here, there are academic ties as well as athletic ties and those are much harder to break.
My first post in this thread was a reference to the "oh, boy, here it goes again" nature of the subject.
Thanks for showing that you are just burying your head in the sand. Everybody knows what is going on in the Big12; burying your head in the sand does not change anything or help anything for that matter.
I will never understand why the Big12 schools collectively did not stand up to Texas in the AD/President meetings when TV revenue was being discussed. Texas wanted its own network and wanted to keep the entire revenue, no questions asked. And Texas wanted an equal share of the Big12 revenue, too. Little Brother Iowa State, in fear of the Big12 imploding, simply had to keep its mouth shut and whatever Texas wanted Texas got. This is why Nebraska left the conference, remember?
Texas gets $51.5M from TV revenue as a result.
Iowa State keeps its mouth shut and gets just $36.M.
Each Big 10 school, on the other hand, gets an equal share of the TV revenue. Ohio State and Michigan are not asking for more.
The Big12 won't implode as long as you somehow keep Texas and Oklahoma happy.
Again, what am I missing? I think I got it pretty much covered. If not, fill in the blanks.
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The fact that the GOR wasn't extended, I believe at the behest of OU, is pretty telling. That's been the last root that the Big 12 have-nots cling to. When that expires, or even a few years earlier since the $$$ would be more manageable for anyone (cough UT, OU, cough) to deal with if they want to break the agreement early.
I'd be worried if I were ISU.
I'd be worried if I were ISU.
No more worried than Iowa should be if the current system blows up as the one individual predicted.
In reality you can't guarantee the big names in the Big 10 won't eventually get tired of distributing a lot of money they make to schools that don't earn as much. Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State deserve to make far more money than the rest of the conference because their brand dwarfs anyone else in the conference. If you're asking why Texas and Oklahoma are allowed to reap millions of dollars more than others in the conference, I guess it never bothered me as an ISU fan because they deserved it, they are huge brand names. I know it is convenient to say in this argument that ISU only gets $36 million, but that is more money than two entire P5 conferences. Considering this is more money than they've ever received, I'm sure they'll survive.
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I believe it accounts to approximately $5 million off the top of my head, for their tier 3
I understand ISU's position. If they try to stand up to them, where can they go? They can't do anything but let Texas and OK boss them around and treat them like the pawns that they are.
How again are they getting "bossed around"? Every school has an equal share of Tier 1 and Tier 2. What they do with Tier 3 is up to them. UT and OU make more money with Tier 3 because their Tier 3 programming is worth more. It's called capitalism. Would I rather have a conference network like the BTN and share every penny equally? Sure, but getting $37M plus whatever cyclones.tv makes isn't too bad of a consolation prize. Besides, there is no true equal revenue in any conference due to donations and ticket sales. That $12M extra that UT makes for Tier 3 is dwarfed by what UT gets in donations vs ISU. Just like tOSU makes a ton more in revenue than iowa with their 100k stadium and huge donors. You still beat them last year despite having a much smaller budget. Just like ISU beat OU and could have easily beat UT if Park wasn't in the middle of a mental breakdown.
I think it's a fair discussion to have, although the Big 12 is making decent money right now it is all predicated on t.v contracts.
The B1G, ACC, Pac12 and SEC have not lost founding, important members. They have taken members that mostly meet geographically and academically. The B1G took Nebraska and Maryland, the ACC has taken Miami, Boston College..etc. The Pac 12 took Colorado and Utah. The SEC took Texas A&M and Missouri (great school, odd geography).
The Big 12 added a private Christian school that resides in Texas ( no expansion geographically), West Virginia ( a small populated State school with poor academics, that is 1,000 miles away from the next Big 12 school).
The Big 12 has bungled expansion talks, angering schools like Houston/Cincy/Memphis. One of their most important members has been rumored to be unhappy (Oklahoma).
You let Texas drive away four very important members, and add TCU and West Virginia.
If you were impartial and could draft thirty schools into a Super football conference, how many Big 12 teams? I'm talking all things considered here (value, fan support, history).
The B1G, ACC, Pac12 and SEC have not lost founding, important members. They have taken members that mostly meet geographically and academically. The B1G took Nebraska and Maryland, the ACC has taken Miami, Boston College..etc. The Pac 12 took Colorado and Utah. The SEC took Texas A&M and Missouri (great school, odd geography).
The Big 12 added a private Christian school that resides in Texas ( no expansion geographically), West Virginia ( a small populated State school with poor academics, that is 1,000 miles away from the next Big 12 school).
The Big 12 has bungled expansion talks, angering schools like Houston/Cincy/Memphis. One of their most important members has been rumored to be unhappy (Oklahoma).
You let Texas drive away four very important members, and add TCU and West Virginia.
If you were impartial and could draft thirty schools into a Super football conference, how many Big 12 teams? I'm talking all things considered here (value, fan support, history).
All I know is that it's the same number of bowl games ISU has won in the last 800 years.
Are you worried that Michgan brings in $45 million more in annual revenue than Iowa? Why be concerned about one revenue stream when the total is really what matters. Texas has no more desire to move elsewhere than Michigan.
I'm not worried about the security of Iowa and the B1G. The GOR is the only thing holding the Big 12 together, and OU refused to extend it. If I were an ISU fan, that would worry me.
You'd probably want to go with 40 schools; 4 10-school conferences. Champion of each conference goes to a 4-team national playoff...or 4 champions and 4 'wild cards' go to a 8-team national playoff.
In this scenario, I feel you could find 10 worthy schools from each of the B1G, SEC and ACC ...with the fourth conference being made up of Pac-12 and Big12. Does ND get to stay independent?
Let's say...
B1G (10)
Iowa
OSU
Mich
Mich St
Wis
Penn St
Neb
MN
Purdue
(MD, IL, N'western, ?)
SEC (10)
Ala
Aub
Fla
GA
LSU
Tenn
Ark
TamU
SoCar
(Ole Miss, Mizzu, ?)
ACC (10)
Clem
FSU
Miami
GT
UNC
Pitt
VaTech
NC St
BC
(Syracuse, VA, L'ville, ?)
ZZZ (10)
Texas
OKL
OKL St
WV
(TCU, TTU, ??)
+
USC
UCLA
Oregon
Wash
(Stan, Cal, ASU, ??)
If you were an ISU fan, you wouldn't be posting doom and gloom. No one knows what the future will bring, but the present situation with record revenues is great and continues to get even greater.
I like it, I went with thirty as a comparison to the NFL.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/686880002
The PAC 12 will distribute less to its members in 2023 than the Big 12 will next season.
The PAC 12 will distribute less to its members in 2023 than the Big 12 will next season.
Any scenario which eliminates teams like Illinois, Arizona State, Arizona, Stanford, Missouri, Maryland, Indiana, Colorado, Kansas, Ole Miss and Notre Dame is suspect. Even Northwestern is about as assured as anyone. 40 is too low- would suspect we either land at 48 or 64. And while there are some B10 and SEC teams that may not seem as worthy (Rutgers, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt), they'll be in by affiliation as those two conferences will call the shots.
And while the PAC is lagging, most of that is due to a shitty TV deal they put in around a conference network which couldn't get off the ground. If you think teams located in top 25 markets like the Bay Area, Phoenix and Denver are getting left out, you're not thinking straight. They may not like college sports in those areas, but sheer numbers will keep them in. Likewise with STL, Indianapolis, DC.
Yeah, you could probably up the total to 48 to include a few of those schools. Just keep in mind this is for FOOTBALL ONLY, so no need to keep Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, and such. Oh, and the conferences won’t call the shots, in this scenario the Amazon-Apple-Etc cabal will make their decision on who draws them the most profit.
