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Biggest Upset

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Mike Golic brought up wrestling again this morning on Mike and Mike. The discussion was about what is a bigger upset than Serena Williams losing this weekend? He said Rulon over Karelin. Started a brief discussion on wrestling, which was nice to hear.

With that being said, what are the biggest upsets in the history of wrestling? Both college and international?

FWIW - I didn't know this stat. Karelin was undefeated for 13 years and didn't give up a point over a 6 year period during that stretch.
 
Just thinking of guys with Iowa ties, off the top of my head, to get things started:

Owings over Gable -- of course
Marianetti over McIlravy
Joe Johnston over Luke Becker
Simpson over Voelker
Osenbaugh over Lou Banach
Morningstar over Trent Paulson
Ryan Fulsaas over Hahn
 
Ironside over Kolat

I am still not over the McIlravy/Marianetti match......I believe that was the best chance Iowa ever had at a 4-timer. We've had brushes with greatness since, but I truly thought he was unstoppable. Metcalf was the only other one that matched his level of domination, and unfortunately, his opportunity at being a 4-timer was preliminarly cut short. (and in retrospect, he wouldn't have made it either, but his upset loss was equal to Lincoln's IMO).
 
Ironside over Kolat

I am still not over the McIlravy/Marianetti match......I believe that was the best chance Iowa ever had at a 4-timer. We've had brushes with greatness since, but I truly thought he was unstoppable. Metcalf was the only other one that matched his level of domination, and unfortunately, his opportunity at being a 4-timer was preliminarly cut short. (and in retrospect, he wouldn't have made it either, but his upset loss was equal to Lincoln's IMO).
Agree with Lincoln and Metcalf. Stunning losses to me both times (to some pretty darn good wrestlers for sure). Glad you brought up the Ironside vs Kolat match, it made me have to dig because I wasn't sure I would consider that an upset...................so.........................

Ironside beating Kolat may have been considered an upset to some at the time (1996), I think largely because Kolat was a couple years ahead of Ironside from a competitive standpoint and had placed 3,2 while at Penn State (1993, 1994 - sat out 1995 transferring to Lock Haven). When you consider their overall careers, it's pretty darn close, so not sure I would classify it as an upset in that regard, but some may because of the time in which it happened, and that's fine. The comeback fashion in which Ironside beat him in the 1996 All-Star match was phenomenal, that much is certain.

Later that year in which Kolat won the Title, Ironside was the #1 seed, losing in OT in the semis, to 4 seed Steve St. John (one of the worst losses to witness in my life @ Minnesota, and St. John had beaten a higher seeded Ironside the year before as well - I believe St. John was 2 years older). Kolat was the #2 seed. Going into the semi's Ironside had a Tech and 2 Falls, Kolat 2 Majors and a Dec. Kolat finished it off beating St. John 5-2.

Ironside was a 4x All-American, (6,3,1,1), 4x Big Ten Champ, 67 match win streak, Hodge Winner.

Kolat was a 4x All-American as well (2,3,1,1) Pretty darn impressive, and of course his legendary H.S. record

Ironside career record = 127-10

Kolat career record = 111-7

So Kolat had the better career by a slim margin I suppose. Those are two tip-top careers, and pretty darn even.
 
Agree with Lincoln and Metcalf. Stunning losses to me both times (to some pretty darn good wrestlers for sure). Glad you brought up the Ironside vs Kolat match, it made me have to dig because I wasn't sure I would consider that an upset...................so.........................

Ironside beating Kolat may have been considered an upset to some at the time (1996), I think largely because Kolat was a couple years ahead of Ironside from a competitive standpoint and had placed 3,2 while at Penn State (1993, 1994 - sat out 1995 transferring to Lock Haven). When you consider their overall careers, it's pretty darn close, so not sure I would classify it as an upset in that regard, but some may because of the time in which it happened, and that's fine. The comeback fashion in which Ironside beat him in the 1996 All-Star match was phenomenal, that much is certain.

Later that year in which Kolat won the Title, Ironside was the #1 seed, losing in OT in the semis, to 4 seed Steve St. John (one of the worst losses to witness in my life @ Minnesota, and St. John had beaten a higher seeded Ironside the year before as well - I believe St. John was 2 years older). Kolat was the #2 seed. Going into the semi's Ironside had a Tech and 2 Falls, Kolat 2 Majors and a Dec. Kolat finished it off beating St. John 5-2.

Ironside was a 4x All-American, (6,3,1,1), 4x Big Ten Champ, 67 match win streak, Hodge Winner.

Kolat was a 4x All-American as well (2,3,1,1) Pretty darn impressive, and of course his legendary H.S. record

Ironside career record = 127-10

Kolat career record = 111-7

So Kolat had the better career by a slim margin I suppose. Those are two tip-top careers, and pretty darn even.

Hell of a post.
 
I remember being surprised to hear that Nick Marable had beaten Jordan Burroughs.
 
You know...PSU folks who laughed at Gilman after getting pinned in the semis forgot about that one. In their eyes, DT just got caught. The underlying story was pretty cool as well.
It was indeed. Revenge is best served cold I guess. Not sure how anyone has ever been "caught" in a cradle, but I suppose some think it's possible.
 
others...
Kemp over Gable-Northern Open final
Schultz over Ed Banach-NCAA final, though Schultz had a dual meet win ( in my eyes, anyway, was an upset)
Keller over Sanders-NCAA final
Mark Schmitz over Nate Carr- Northern Open final
Gibbons over Burley-NCAA final ( though Burley may have been injured)
Burley over Land - NCAA final, though they had a good match earlier ( Land's family issues huge)
Lou Banach over Baumgartner - NCAA final ( Bruce had pinned him in the Midlands two months earlier)
Ricky Stewart over Dave Schultz- NCAA final
Pete Bush over Mike Mann - NCAA final
Greg Randall over Randy Lewis- Midlands
Gil Sanchez over John Smith-early in year after John had become WC
Blubaugh over Habibi- Olympics
 
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If Blubaugh over Habibi was an upset, would Lloyd Corwin from Cornell College over Blubaugh in the NCAA semis also be one? Maybe not - Lloyd was a 2X AA and is one of the nicest and funniest men I have ever met. He comes to the Coe/Cornell dual every year and was a marshal at the 2010 NCAA Division III Championships. Oh - you Quad City guys - Lloyd wrestled at Rocky and now lives in Illinois City.
 
Gil Sanchez over John Smith. Never heard of that one before. Anyone care to provide more info on that situation?
 
John Sonderegger of Missouri over Kenny Monday- Big Eight final.

This after two years in a row of Monday defeating Nate Carr in the Big Eight finals.
 
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Gil Sanchez over John Smith. Never heard of that one before. Anyone care to provide more info on that situation?
http://articles.latimes.com/1992-07-19/sports/sp-4788_1_john-smith/2

Smith lost 13-6 to Sanchez ( Cornhusker) in a season opening dual meet http://newsok.com/article/2416013

http://www.wrestlingstats.com/okstate/view_wrestler_bouts.php?start=0&wrestler=307&season=1987

or 11-6

everyone should have this website though

www.wrestlingstats.com

not updated because of the death of the website owner ( John Hammond)
 
Mike Golic brought up wrestling again this morning on Mike and Mike. The discussion was about what is a bigger upset than Serena Williams losing this weekend? He said Rulon over Karelin. Started a brief discussion on wrestling, which was nice to hear.

With that being said, what are the biggest upsets in the history of wrestling? Both college and international?

FWIW - I didn't know this stat. Karelin was undefeated for 13 years and didn't give up a point over a 6 year period during that stretch.

Karelin's loss was aided by the fact that was the first Olympics with the standing Clinch. By far the dumbest rule ever incorporated in international wrestling. In both styles, winning the ball grab/coin toss got an overwhelming advantage. Not taking away from Rulon, but he beat a legend in the end of his career with the help of a junk rule.
 
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Reading about it the clinch was even controversial wasn't it? I watched that match but I have to say I didn't understand the rules that well. I can follow Greco and Freestyle now without a problem for the most part.
 
#3 Johnnie Jones getting majored by unseeded Mark Digirolamo of Cal Poly in the NCAA finals 1976 was pretty shocking.
As was Lennie Z's charge from Cal-Davis #2 Derek Moore TF'ing the #1 from NW Ryan Lang.
 
Mike Golic brought up wrestling again this morning on Mike and Mike. The discussion was about what is a bigger upset than Serena Williams losing this weekend? He said Rulon over Karelin. Started a brief discussion on wrestling, which was nice to hear.

With that being said, what are the biggest upsets in the history of wrestling? Both college and international?

FWIW - I didn't know this stat. Karelin was undefeated for 13 years and didn't give up a point over a 6 year period during that stretch.
Karelin was a manchild and could probably still hang with some of the studs today, that guy was chiseled out of concrete and always used the reverse bodylock picking up guys off the mat that weighed 285 like they were nothing and tossing them like a rag dolls!
 
While I agree with the previous poster that M. Schultz beating E. Banach probably doesn't qualify as an actual upset (I believe he was a previous National Champion when he won that match) it was a HUGE upset to me.

I figured Banach was going to be a 4 time champion.

Simpson beating Voelker was my big upset. I was there for that match (one of the few matches I've actually made it to) and Carver-Hawkeye ERUPTED when that happened.
 
Greatest upsets also must include when it was the big stage or a title match. A guy getting a big upset in an All-Star meet, or in a non-National or World/Olympic tournament does not have the significance. Owings over Gable is my lone pick. However, I still get giddy when I think about Jesse Whitmer winning it all in 1997.
 
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I understand that a certain Iowan Brent Hagen predicted easy victory over the freshman Randy Lewis before the beatdown began. Can't recall the score, but I believe it was big, in favor of Lewis. Maybe it was the UNI Open finals?

Bill Kelly with the spladle over Brad Penrith was a bit of an upset.
 
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