Bo Nickal vs. Burroughs
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He laughed when someone suggested Dagestanis could beat JB...said no chance.
He's on a collision course with Chimaev. I'd say 18-24 months.
Who cares? Both suck at roasting. This is so ****ing stupid. Haha!
If he was a Hawkeye you would describe him as being out going or just confident. These days people run their mouths to make money due to the effects of social media. I'm not a fan really, but it's the way of the business these.
JB was foolish to use the word 'target'.
But he is right that it's fine to go ahead and do a shot to the injured leg. How many times in Spencer Lee's career did we see a TD attempt from opp on Lee's injured leg. Quite a bit
But he is right that it's fine to go ahead and do a shot to the injured leg. How many times in Spencer Lee's career did we see a TD attempt from opp on Lee's injured leg. Quite a bit
Youre wrong. We would cheer for him if he was a hawk but no one would love him.... He sucks so bad at talking trash and it doesnt come off as real at all.. Cstar comes off as real. Hawk fans would love him.
Bo has always been a big mouth.
Quit making excuses for him, he's a douche.
Love Cstar??? I don't think so. It would be hard for me to "love" Mr. piss on the kids graveyard.
That’s a good point…. I was more implying Cstar seems to be real… Bo seems like he is trying to play a role to boost his standings with UFC… Cstar would be hard to cheer for you are right.
At least Joe Rogan is willing to talk about anything, conspiracies, how much Biden sucks, Russia, peds in mma, among hundreds of other stuff. WTF is Bo gonna talk about for me to care
Just because you can make more money from doing something doesn't make it okay. IMO, it's cheap and tawdry.
It doesn’t matter , if you’re watching sports or modern entertainment you are contributing to their income. You are the product, not the consumer .
You don’t have to approve of anything, people chase the money. I remember back in the day, Ted Williams, stating he would not endorse the product without knowing with the quality product. That idea went out the window with most approximately 40 to 50 years ago.
If you’re consumer of this industry, you’re contributing to it.
No I wouldn't. Don't put words in my mouth
Weird flex since Podcasts are wildly out of control with people babbling about God knows what. I've found an easy solution though.
Sweet Jesus. You're begrudging people for making money? Do you also yell at clouds?
I don't listen
Begrudging people for cheapening the culture? It's a free country. You do you.
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To be fair I didn't agree with Bo on this one at all, and the more it escalates the worse.
"Target" does not mean attempt to injure. 99% of opponents would target a wrestler in a big knee brace with a recent injury in the sense of attack and take advantage of limited mobility and strength to that side. It's obvious and not being a poor sport either. Wrestling has always been about exploiting an opponent's weaknesses.
Targeting for further injury or to take the opponent out of the match due to injury is not acceptable, but JB says nothing of the sort.
PS - he was drawn into the discussion anyway. He didn't initiate the topic.
"Target" does not mean attempt to injure. 99% of opponents would target a wrestler in a big knee brace with a recent injury in the sense of attack and take advantage of limited mobility and strength to that side. It's obvious and not being a poor sport either. Wrestling has always been about exploiting an opponent's weaknesses.
Targeting for further injury or to take the opponent out of the match due to injury is not acceptable, but JB says nothing of the sort.
PS - he was drawn into the discussion anyway. He didn't initiate the topic.
The whole take down thing probably puts a suspect knee at risk. If you concentrate on targeting something vs wrestling probably means you’ll get countered and maybe stuck.
If a knee isn’t 100% you might be slower or unable to defend as well , so I’d wrestle . Now in the context of the match maybe the knee’s vulnerability might play a part like in the now and arrow maneuver.
But otherwise I would wrestle my match .
If a knee isn’t 100% you might be slower or unable to defend as well , so I’d wrestle . Now in the context of the match maybe the knee’s vulnerability might play a part like in the now and arrow maneuver.
But otherwise I would wrestle my match .
Did you wrestle? If exposing a weakness takes you completely out of your comfort zone, then MAYBE, you don’t change up your style to exploit it. But, you aren’t likely to win ANYWAY if that is the case. In the case of JB, he ABSOLUTELY should and would take full advantage of that leg.
This is even more true when wrestling someone as good as Carter. He normally doesn’t really have a weakness and as good as he is poistionally, if you don’t attach his legs aggressively, you end up with exactly what happened at NCAA’s. Even with a bad knee, he was so much better in the other positions he won anyway.
With that said, the top guys should be putting considerable focus on takedowns that would put serious pressure on that knee and put heavy emphasis on push outs in freestyle. Otherwise, what ends up happening with your mindset is you end up letting Carter wrestle the EXACT match he wants to wrestle while minimizing his disadvantage.
Deciding to attack an injured knee is dependent on how they use that knee. Eierman uses his knee for funk so you would definitely attack that. Starocci wrestles super fundamentally so attacking that knee is much less effective unless it is a low single to a lateral injury or a sweep to an elbow post on a medial injury. Unless you already have great setups for those moves you aren’t going to get in deep on either one on Starocci. Jordan was right because he can explode to a low single with head on the knee. He was also wrong because most wrestlers don’t have his skill set.
Oh, Bo is kind of a douche but he was F** to watch wrestle.
Edit: I was typing left and came back and posted when the post above came in. We say some of the same stuff. I wasn’t trying to be repetitive.
Oh, Bo is kind of a douche but he was F** to watch wrestle.
Edit: I was typing left and came back and posted when the post above came in. We say some of the same stuff. I wasn’t trying to be repetitive.
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One giant part you ignore is Starocci’s skill set to begin with. If you don’t try to exploit his knee, how exactly are you going to beat him to begin with? In Folk, if you don’t pressure the knee you almost certainly won’t get a takedown and NOONE was beating him on the mat. As we all saw at NCAA’s, Carter reverted back to his best asset which was great positioning, hand fighting and defensive posture. He knew he would win on the mat and did.
In Free, he loses the mat advantage, but can still rely on his defense unless someone forces a ton of lateral and backward movement. As fast as JB is and as good at level changes and lateral movement he is a prime candidate to exploit it, but all at that level should be working on things that would as well. At OTT’s every guy should be good enough and diversified enough to exploit it to some degree. Even if it isn’t attacks from space. Force underhooks, ties and snaps that force most of his weight to that leg. Keep creating movement to that area and capitalize if he falters or missteps…
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All good. I just think Carter is a special case where everyone needs to exploit the injury because he really doesn’t have anything else to go after…
Nope. You always attack an injury and If you don’t you’re dumb. Blood in the water.
Do you love being pedantic? Starocci won four titles, you can argue hypos forever but in his case he’s obviously one of those best ever types.
Attacking a weakness isn’t going to work unless you’re around his level, and few are. Things that elite wrestlers like Burroughs can do are beyond the grasp of a more average wrestler. Two former champs couldn’t take advantage of Carter’s situation.
So other than a poor announcer making the finals about him and another guy arguing with him this is less than nothing.
Attacking a weakness isn’t going to work unless you’re around his level, and few are. Things that elite wrestlers like Burroughs can do are beyond the grasp of a more average wrestler. Two former champs couldn’t take advantage of Carter’s situation.
So other than a poor announcer making the finals about him and another guy arguing with him this is less than nothing.
Without trying to be mean, but needing to be honest, there are times you come on here and literally have no idea what you are talking about. This is absolutely one of those times…
I believe, in his case, it is most times.
With Spencer's knees, was there really an option to shoot at a "good" leg?
slightly off topic but what is the story behind the beef between david taylor and bo nickal? there have been lots of rumblings about it lately..
i recall back in 2019 when taylor was hurt and unable to compete at worlds. he hid it from the nickal camp at nlwc so bo went 92kg and then later taylor withdrew from final X so downey ended up our world team rep. the story at the time was david didn’t want to give nickal a chance to be sitting until the finals for the olympic trials in 2020 but i don’t know if that is related to this being it’s been awhile.
anyone have any insight? @vhsalum perhaps?
i recall back in 2019 when taylor was hurt and unable to compete at worlds. he hid it from the nickal camp at nlwc so bo went 92kg and then later taylor withdrew from final X so downey ended up our world team rep. the story at the time was david didn’t want to give nickal a chance to be sitting until the finals for the olympic trials in 2020 but i don’t know if that is related to this being it’s been awhile.
anyone have any insight? @vhsalum perhaps?
I get very little out of PSU. They're a freaking vault.
I did talk to Nickal's dad about once before, but apparently, no one knew up until the time. DT was planning on competing. But even then (this was the same year it happened) - there didn't seem to be any beef between DT and Nickal. i'd honestly be surprised if there was any.
Only real beef I've ever heard of was Carter with dake and DT/Brooks - and that's only because its a close match and they just avoid each other for the most part.
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