Bob Stoops
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Guess who the AD was during that time period? Guess what Wisconsin still did before and after Bielema?
Stoops turned down HC jobs while OC at Florida waiting for the Iowa job to come open...he desperately wanted the Iowa job....and should have had the Iowa job....makes me throw up in my mouth to hear people still say that Kirk was the correct choice. VOMIT!!! Stoops won a National Championship in year 2 and over 20 years later we still haven't heard Kirk mention those two words and Iowa in the same sentence....two different men with COMPLETELY different goals. Think Stoops would have taken a knee on his own 40 with 50 seconds to play and settled for OT in The Shoe???
Lmao
Be reasonable, you honestly think Stoops was going to get the same recruits, the same schedule, the same opportunities at Iowa vs OU?
OU was still a national power, and still had national relevance. They weren't that far removed from their last ranked season.
Bob Stoops would have done about the exact same as KF during his tenure.
Yeah, I am. What exactly would Bob Stoops have done differently at Iowa?
Don't give me the recruiting bs either, because KF started to recruit at that level in 2005 before it blew up in our faces.
Stoops wasn't gonna change the population layout or climate of Iowa, so what exactly would he have done to do so much better? You know that Oklahoma fans called him "Big Game Bob" for a reason, right?
Minnesota was one of those jobs he turned while at Florida as he knew the Iowa job would open up in the next couple years
So what would Stoops have done that's so different? I always love the comparison because nobody can ever come up with any reasoning.
Here's a similar analogy:
Nick Saban was 34-24-1 at Michigan State. 1 season better than 7-5.
In the same amount of time at LSU, he was 48-16.
Same coach, different schools, totally different inherent advantages/disadvantages.
Nick Saban was 34-24-1 at Michigan State. 1 season better than 7-5.
In the same amount of time at LSU, he was 48-16.
Same coach, different schools, totally different inherent advantages/disadvantages.
So you’re saying no coach will ever win a National Championship at Iowa.
I’m not saying Stoops would have won one here, but I laugh at you for saying he would have done the exact same thing. That is highly unreasonable.
Now compare LSU and Alabama. Same coach, different schools, very similar inherent advantages/disadvantages.
No, I didn't, and that's not even close to what I said.
But it's sure a hell of a lot easier to do so at a school that's top 5 all-time in wins in the heart of fertile recruiting grounds in one of the softer power conferences.
But to act like Stoops would have been some mega upgrade over the guy who, despite his faults, is the winningest coach in school history, is stupid.
Thanks for making my point. What do places like LSU, Alabama, and OU have, that Iowa and Michigan State don't?
The balls to hire the right coach and then pay them enough to stick around?
Kind of seems like what LSU, OU, and Alabama did.
Don't be naive, it makes you look stupid.
Again, each of those teams have long traditions of winning, and are deep in the heart of some of the most populated football states in the country. Alabama, OU, and LSU all won before, and after, Nick Saban and Bob Stoops.
Friday night event in Iowa City in like 2007, maybe it was 2006, on a Friday night? Yep, I was there too. So will those who also said the same in the Hawkeye Lounge not long ago also (one of which was a player/friend of Bob's also) and on many occasions through the years in the Lounge also. Sorry dude.
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Twelve years from their last top 10 season. Relevant yes, National power? So so
Still far easier to pull them back to where they already were, than to elevate a different program to that same level.
1. Bobby Stoops would never coach at Nebraska.
2. Nebby sucks!
Winningest coach at Iowa by starting out 4-0 every year beating schools that would struggle to beat a Texas 6A High School Team....then going 4-4 or 5-3 against teams mostly from the watered down West division. PLEASE don't forget the article revisited years ago by Hlas that showed KF's conference record when Iowa was a 10+ point favorite.....it was HORRENDOUSLY bad. To even mention him and Stoops in the same breath is asinine.
GIA and BHGP both debunked the myth that KF has had easy schedules, especially since the West division has only existed since 2014.
And you can't seriously believe the B1G of the 80s was as tough as it is today. NW, Wisconsin, Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois, and Indiana were all garbage programs then. There's a reason they called it the Big 2 and Little 8.
You clearly have an axe to grind, but it's a wonder you can read those stats considering you can barely type.
I can say he likely wouldn't have had the same success here as he did at OU for the very reasons I've laid out in this thread.
How do you think he would have done at Iowa in comparison to how KF did?
As far as different goes his offense would have been different. Different enough to move from 2-3 star recruits to 3 and some 4’s? JHF got Willie Guy here so there was a precedent.
Well, yeah, of course not. Oklahoma is a blue blood with the state of Texas in their back yard to recruit from.
The question isn’t could Stoops duplicate the success he had at OU at Iowa. The question is would Iowa have gone through extended periods of mediocrity under Stoops like seen during Kirk’s tenure (e.g. 2005-2007; 2011-2014). There’s no way to know for sure, but I’m guessing the down years and poor recruiting wouldn’t have extended multiple years with Stoops. I’m also guessing Stoops would have won the West more than once. But, as I pointed out, it’s all speculation; however, I’m not willing to agree that 100% Bob Stoops would have had the same impact as Ferentz. I think there would have been a few more highs and never the long stretches of mediocrity that happened under Kirk’s watch.
With all of that said, Kirk has done a fabulous job of leading the Iowa program for twenty three seasons. He deserves respect and to be viewed as a legendary coach along with Hayden.
I think he would have done about the same. Some top 10 finishes, some clunker seasons.
The offense wouldn't have been as different as you think, since he wouldn't have been trying to adapt to the Air Raid, basketball on grass style of play the Big 12 became known for in the late 2000s.
He would have hired Mike Stoops as his DC, and likely taken just as long to finally fire him (ie, about 3 seasons too late). So he would have had the same coordinator controversy, just on the other side of the ball.
Most importantly, though, the recruiting advantages he had at OU wouldn't be there.
That's fair, and a lot more reasonable than some of the other arguments I've seen.
I don't believe Stoops would have been terribly different, not for the O, but for the D. He held on to his brother for far too long at DC, and never really had extended success on that side of the ball.
Nobody knows the success he'd have had at Iowa compared to Ferentz.
When Stoops took over at OU and knew he wasn't an offensive guy, he hired a guy named Mike Leach as his OC. Then Mark Mangino. Ultimately Lincoln Riley. Offense was the least of their problems while he was there. Bob Stoops. The way Stoops dominated the Big 12 was incredible.
Bob wouldn't have won a national championship at Iowa but I feel 100% confident that Iowa would have been in the B1G championship game more and would not have let Wisconsin pass them as a program.
Some pure gold in this thread with the delusional thinking that Stoops would have won national championships at Iowa because he had different goals than Ferentz. They are both great coaches, but as others have noted, Oklahoma and Iowa are entirely different jobs. The odds that Stoops would have won a national championship if he had taken the Iowa job are probably less than one percent. I would be happy to see Stoops come out of retirement to replace Kirk if he retires, but I expect the results would not be significantly different.
BTW, I am definitely in the camp of those who believe that while Stoops was likely offended when his alma mater didn’t offer him a job during his interview, he eventually would have taken the Oklahoma job regardless. The difference in prestige and potential between the two jobs was just too great.
BTW, I am definitely in the camp of those who believe that while Stoops was likely offended when his alma mater didn’t offer him a job during his interview, he eventually would have taken the Oklahoma job regardless. The difference in prestige and potential between the two jobs was just too great.
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KF could be smart and recruit better athletes, but he is too hung up on recruiting marginal "try hards" where he can get credit for "coaching them up"....that is lazy recruiting that leaves you on the razors edge competively agaisnt better teams,
LOL. I’ve got news for you. Iowa recruits a lot of marginal “try hards” because that is the type of kid he can regularly convince to come to Iowa. He has put a lot of those guys in the NFL. The notion that he is simply choosing to bring less athletic players into the program is ludicrous.
Lmao, you're literally too stupid to insult.
"Just try harder at recruiting" is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Especially considering how our recruiting has been on the upswing and possibly the best it's ever been.
Stoops offense would have been night and day from KF’s, he is a much more aggressive recruiter and would have done better alto or as well as he did at Oklahoma. Defense, maybe not as good. Probably no national championship, but more B1G championships and title games. I think he has higher aspirations than KF
Stoops would not have had the same recruiting at Iowa, that's ludicrous.
ISU recruits "aggressively" by offering anyone with a pulse, and they still can't outrecruit (or outplay) Iowa.
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