Bob Stoops

[Irvin 88]

Found the Hlas 2011 article....the stats below are from 2006-2011....don't ever compare him to Stoops again....you are just embarrassing yourself

From 1999 to 2005, Ferentz's first seven seasons as Iowa's coach, the Hawkeyes were 18-0 straight-up when they were favored by 10 or more points. Since 2006, they are 19-9. That isn't especially good. It looks even worse when you compare it to the same records of the other Big Ten programs as double-digit favorites since 2006:

Wisconsin 31-0 1.000 pct.

Penn State 29-0 1.000

Indiana 6-0 1.000

Ohio State 42-2 .955

Michigan 21-1 .955

Nebraska 29-3 .906

Northwestern 8-1 .889

Michigan State 16-2 .889

Purdue 14-2 .875

Illinois 12-2 .857

Iowa 19-9 .679

Minnesota 2-2 .500

Iowa's losses as double-digit favorites since 2006 were these:
2006: Indiana (19-pt. favorite, lost 31-28), Northwestern (20-pt. favorite, lost 21-7)
2007: Iowa State (17-pt. favorite, lost 15-13), Indiana (10-pt. favorite, lost 38-20), Western Michigan (14-pt. favorite, lost 28-19)
2009: Northwestern (15-pt. favorite, lost 17-10)
2010: Northwestern (10-pt. favorite, lost 21-17), Minnesota (15-pt. favorite, lost 27-24)
2011: Minnesota (16-pt. favorite, lost 22-21)

 

[Frosty7130]

Found the Hlas 2011 article....the stats below are from 2006-2011....don't ever compare him to Stoops again....you are just embarrassing yourself

From 1999 to 2005, Ferentz's first seven seasons as Iowa's coach, the Hawkeyes were 18-0 straight-up when they were favored by 10 or more points. Since 2006, they are 19-9. That isn't especially good. It looks even worse when you compare it to the same records of the other Big Ten programs as double-digit favorites since 2006:

Wisconsin 31-0 1.000 pct.

Penn State 29-0 1.000

Indiana 6-0 1.000

Ohio State 42-2 .955

Michigan 21-1 .955

Nebraska 29-3 .906

Northwestern 8-1 .889

Michigan State 16-2 .889

Purdue 14-2 .875

Illinois 12-2 .857

Iowa 19-9 .679

Minnesota 2-2 .500

Iowa's losses as double-digit favorites since 2006 were these:
2006: Indiana (19-pt. favorite, lost 31-28), Northwestern (20-pt. favorite, lost 21-7)
2007: Iowa State (17-pt. favorite, lost 15-13), Indiana (10-pt. favorite, lost 38-20), Western Michigan (14-pt. favorite, lost 28-19)
2009: Northwestern (15-pt. favorite, lost 17-10)
2010: Northwestern (10-pt. favorite, lost 21-17), Minnesota (15-pt. favorite, lost 27-24)
2011: Minnesota (16-pt. favorite, lost 22-21)

If this is your best argument, wow dude. You're a grade-a, window-licking moron.

7 losses in the past 15 years is the best you've got? Please stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[Irvin 88]

LOL. I’ve got news for you. Iowa recruits a lot of marginal “try hards” because that is the type of kid he can regularly convince to come to Iowa. He has put a lot of those guys in the NFL. The notion that he is simply choosing to bring less athletic players into the program is ludicrous.

One of the guys on Sound Off said that same thing saturday....take it up with him

 

[Frosty7130]

One of the guys on Sound Off said that same thing saturday....take it up with him

Yes, because Sound Off is known for its rationality lmao

 

[Irvin 88]

If this is your best argument, wow dude. You're a grade-a, window-licking moron.

7 losses in the past 15 years is the best you've got? Please stop embarrassing yourself.

7 losses in the last 15 years.....what in the hell are you referring to??? KF had NINE losses as a double digit favorite and the next closest team/s in the Big 10 was TWO......can you freakin read???

 

[Frosty7130]

7 losses in the last 15 years.....what in the hell are you referring to??? KF had NINE losses as a double digit favorite and the next closest team/s in the Big 10 was TWO......can you freakin read???

So I miscounred. It's still an incredibly stupid argument compared to Iowa's body of work in that time.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[Irvin 88]

So I miscounred. It's still an incredibly stupid argument compared to Iowa's body of work in that time.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

You obviously refuse to take KF's letter jacket off even long enough to have your mom launder it, so you obviously are never going to change your mind about him or his refusal to change with the times.

 

[HawkCat]

One of the guys on Sound Off said that same thing saturday....take it up with him

I don’t even know what Sound Off is. You posted this drivel here, so I will take it up with you.

 

[BBHawk]

Found the Hlas 2011 article....the stats below are from 2006-2011....don't ever compare him to Stoops again....you are just embarrassing yourself

From 1999 to 2005, Ferentz's first seven seasons as Iowa's coach, the Hawkeyes were 18-0 straight-up when they were favored by 10 or more points. Since 2006, they are 19-9. That isn't especially good. It looks even worse when you compare it to the same records of the other Big Ten programs as double-digit favorites since 2006:

Wisconsin 31-0 1.000 pct.

Penn State 29-0 1.000

Indiana 6-0 1.000

Ohio State 42-2 .955

Michigan 21-1 .955

Nebraska 29-3 .906

Northwestern 8-1 .889

Michigan State 16-2 .889

Purdue 14-2 .875

Illinois 12-2 .857

Iowa 19-9 .679

Minnesota 2-2 .500

Iowa's losses as double-digit favorites since 2006 were these:
2006: Indiana (19-pt. favorite, lost 31-28), Northwestern (20-pt. favorite, lost 21-7)
2007: Iowa State (17-pt. favorite, lost 15-13), Indiana (10-pt. favorite, lost 38-20), Western Michigan (14-pt. favorite, lost 28-19)
2009: Northwestern (15-pt. favorite, lost 17-10)
2010: Northwestern (10-pt. favorite, lost 21-17), Minnesota (15-pt. favorite, lost 27-24)
2011: Minnesota (16-pt. favorite, lost 22-21)

Who effing cares?

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

Anyone that thinks Bob Stoops, at 62, would come out of retirement to coach at Nebraska does not know Bob Stoops.

You do not like Iowa under Ferentz take a look at the rest of Iowa's division in the same 23 seasons. How about the whole P5.

 

[Frosty7130]

You obviously refuse to take KF's letter jacket off even long enough to have your mom launder it, so you obviously are never going to change your mind about him or his refusal to change with the times.

If we're talking about a "what have you done for me lately" situation, that'd be a stupid argument too.

Since 2015, Iowa is 59-23, which is in the top 15 in that timespan, and includes a top 10 finish and 3 straight top 25 finishes.

You have any other arguments other than impotent raging drivel and incoherent ramblings?

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

If we're talking about a "what have you done for me lately" situation, that'd be a stupid argument too.

Since 2015, Iowa is 59-23, which is in the top 15 in that timespan, and includes a top 10 finish and 3 straight top 25 finishes.

You have any other arguments other than impotent raging drivel and incoherent ramblings?

No, they really don't. This is how you know someone is rationalizing a mindless emotional reaction: those Iowa wins don't count because...because...well, they just do not mean anything good. The people that think this is a disastrous season should not be trusted with sharp instruments. Suicidal rage is a dangerous emotion.

 

[denmar81]

Thanks for making my point. What do places like LSU, Alabama, and OU have, that Iowa and Michigan State don't?

Low admission standards?

 

[kceasthawk]

You have no idea what Bob Stoops would or would not have done at Iowa.

Thats certainly a factual statement BGB. AND it goes both ways doesn't it? NONE of these posters, (yes thats you too Irvin ), have any idea what Bob would have done at Iowa either do you? You see its real easy in retrospect to sit here some two decades + later and say , "well if Stoops would have come here, we would have done this". when in fact you don't know any such thing. While its not totally impossible, there's NO evidence that he would have won a title at Iowa. NONE, and arguing that he would have because he won a title in year two at Oklahoma is ridiculous. Frosty's pointed out numerous reasons why the schools don't compare, and frankly those are about the only factual statements in this thread.
Now what this is really all about is folks here are more tired of KF's boring style of play. Okay, fair point. But lets not make up shit which has no basis in fact just to pad your argument. Its also quite possible that Bob would have become frustrated and disenchanted at Iowa overtime at not winning the big one and left a long time ago, and we could have gone through numerous poor hires by now. Again we'll never know at this point.

 

[Irvin 88]

Stoops - Two National Championship appearances....winning one

Ferentz - The two words National Championship have never been uttered by him as a goal...ever. Just happy trying to win a watered down Big 10 West....while earning around 60 million doing so. Pads his kids bank account giving him a job he in no way deserved.....this after first getting him into government subsidized housing years earlier.

 

[The Deplorable Sleeping Dog]

Stoops - Two National Championship appearances....winning one

Ferentz - The two words National Championship have never been uttered by him as a goal...ever. Just happy trying to win a watered down Big 10 West....while earning around 60 million doing so. Pads his kids bank account giving him a job he in no way deserved.....this after first getting him into government subsidized housing years earlier.

I'm 62. Iowa was last mentioned in contention for the then mythical national title the year I turned 2. If that is your metric of success for a program like Iowa you are never going to be satisfied. You will be chronically unhappy if you stick with Iowa.

Roll on over to a Big Blue Blood. tOSU is probably a better school to support, keep it in the Midwest.

 

[General Tso]

If this is your best argument, wow dude. You're a grade-a, window-licking moron.

7 losses in the past 15 years is the best you've got? Please stop embarrassing yourself.

Aye caramba man! Do you even read the posts you're responding to?

 

[iahawks10]

Thats certainly a factual statement BGB. AND it goes both ways doesn't it? NONE of these posters, (yes thats you too Irvin ), have any idea what Bob would have done at Iowa either do you? You see its real easy in retrospect to sit here some two decades + later and say , "well if Stoops would have come here, we would have done this". when in fact you don't know any such thing. While its not totally impossible, there's NO evidence that he would have won a title at Iowa. NONE, and arguing that he would have because he won a title in year two at Oklahoma is ridiculous. Frosty's pointed out numerous reasons why the schools don't compare, and frankly those are about the only factual statements in this thread.
Now what this is really all about is folks here are more tired of KF's boring style of play. Okay, fair point. But lets not make up shit which has no basis in fact just to pad your argument. Its also quite possible that Bob would have become frustrated and disenchanted at Iowa overtime at not winning the big one and left a long time ago, and we could have gone through numerous poor hires by now. Again we'll never know at this point.

This is my point with @Frosty7130 you just said it a lot better. No one knows what Stoops would have hypothetically done at Iowa. To say it would have been “about the exact same” results as KF is nonsense. Saying it like it’s a matter of fact is laughable.

The “about the exact same” results would be highly improbable given the length of time KF has been at Iowa.

 

[frydaze]

Aye caramba man! Do you even read the posts you're responding to?

He's literally been drunk all night long while posting. Pretty obvious.

 

[iasooner2000]

Stoops had 4 Natty attempts winning one in 2000 VS Fl State
Lost one to u$c, LSU & Florida
He did win a Rose Bowl in 03 with the Sooners

 

[kceasthawk]

This is my point with @Frosty7130 you just said it a lot better. No one knows what Stoops would have hypothetically done at Iowa. To say it would have been “about the exact same” results as KF is nonsense. Saying it like it’s a matter of fact is laughable.

The “about the exact same” results would be highly improbable given the length of time KF has been at Iowa.

Absolutely iahawks. We don't know, and yet people come on here with passionate responses both ways especially those who swear things would have been so much better. Its all water under the bridge at this point so, it's not worth torturing yourself over, but I guess thats just the way some people want to live their lives...

 

[kceasthawk]

Stoops had 4 Natty attempts winning one in 2000 VS Fl State
Lost one to u$c, LSU & Florida
He did win a Rose Bowl in 03 with the Sooners

Of course. WITH the Sooners. Look at the participants since the CFP started. recognize the same 5 or 6 schools in there every year right? Oklahoma is a storied program, no doubt, AND they play in a conference top to bottom that doesn't match up at all strength wise to the BIG or the SEC. Maybe a reason their always up there but usually get beat up in the playoff.

 

[kceasthawk]

One other point about being upset that KF doesn't openly shout about playing for the CFP. He's just not someone who goes around putting the cart before the horse, and thats not all bad either. If you really believe that he's never thought about it, dreamed about it or lost sleep over it, in say 2002, 2009, or 2015 then I'll bet you don't know the man at all. He's as competitive as anyone in his field.

 

[cidhawkeye]

I think he would have done about the same. Some top 10 finishes, some clunker seasons.

The offense wouldn't have been as different as you think, since he wouldn't have been trying to adapt to the Air Raid, basketball on grass style of play the Big 12 became known for in the late 2000s.

He would have hired Mike Stoops as his DC, and likely taken just as long to finally fire him (ie, about 3 seasons too late). So he would have had the same coordinator controversy, just on the other side of the ball.

Most importantly, though, the recruiting advantages he had at OU wouldn't be there.

Valid points. If the offense wouldn’t have been much different due to the Air Raid offenses then Mike Stoops may have been a different DC since he didn’t have the Air Raid offenses to deal with. I can agree with the recruiting disadvantages but I think Bob would have pushed harder than KF to raise the recruiting results. Make a difference? We can’t tell.

 

[cidhawkeye]

So I miscounred. It's still an incredibly stupid argument compared to Iowa's body of work in that time.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

9 outright losses as a double digit favorite? Just brush it off? Check out the results for the teams Iowa hopes to compete with. It was a huge challenge for Iowa in that time frame.

 

[Frosty7130]

9 outright losses as a double digit favorite? Just brush it off? Check out the results for the teams Iowa hopes to compete with. It was a huge challenge for Iowa in that time frame.

When brought up against Iowa's accomplishments in that same time frame (6 top 25 finishes, 2 top 10), yes, it's a stupid argument.

 

[frydaze]

Valid points. If the offense wouldn’t have been much different due to the Air Raid offenses then Mike Stoops may have been a different DC since he didn’t have the Air Raid offenses to deal with. I can agree with the recruiting disadvantages but I think Bob would have pushed harder than KF to raise the recruiting results. Make a difference? We can’t tell.

In the end, we will never know how Bob would have done here because he never coached here. But I will say, and even Bob's critics would agree, he's a winner and Iowa would have done very well at Iowa and I believe every bit as good as KF and very likely even better.

People that make the claim he never would have come to Iowa to begin with had he been offered, or those who say he wouldn't have had much success, are the same people who just use this as a soft landing mechanism against the "what if" scenario-- makes them feel better. Trying to diminish what Stoops could or would do is laughable. This Frosty dude is prime example #1. And it makes it worse when they feel you are calling their baby (Iowa) ugly in any way. Fans are wired in all kinds of ways.

 

[Frosty7130]

In the end, we will never know how Bob would have done here because he never coached here. But I will say, and even Bob's critics would agree, he's a winner and Iowa would have done very well at Iowa and I believe every bit as good as KF and very likely even better.

People that make the claim he never would have come to Iowa to begin with had he been offered, or those who say he wouldn't have had much success, are the same people who just use this as a soft landing mechanism against the "what if" scenario-- makes them feel better. Trying to diminish what Stoops could or would do is laughable. This Frosty dude is prime example #1. And it makes it worse when they feel you are calling their baby (Iowa) ugly in any way. Fans are wired in all kinds of ways.

Hah, get ****ed.

I've been on record saying the offense sucks right now, and BF should be demoted.

What I point out is dipshits like yourself that want to throw the baby out with the bathwater because you don't like the coach and only look at flaws without acknowledging accomplishments. AKA the kind of ridiculous people who are ONLY active after losses because it gives them their chance to practice being miserable.

 

[frydaze]

Hah, get ****ed.

I've been on record saying the offense sucks right now, and BF should be demoted.

What I point out is dipshits like yourself that want to throw the baby out with the bathwater because you don't like the coach and only look at flaws without acknowledging accomplishments. AKA the kind of ridiculous people who are ONLY active after losses because it gives them their chance to practice being miserable.

LOL, first rule I learned is knowing when you are dealing with a redneck. Your language and personal attacks and manner you reply proves you are an out-of-control redneck and borderline looney. If you want to be taken more seriously, tame your ass down and get away from the redneck blasts. You capable of that or not? Are you trying to make yourself feel better by trying to cut others down?

You feel like your baby has been called ugly. We get it. And big ass deal if other posters like another coach more. It's called a message board.

 

[Frosty7130]

LOL, first rule I learned is knowing when you are dealing with a redneck. Your language and personal attacks and manner you reply proves you are an out-of-control redneck and borderline looney. If you want to be taken more seriously, tame your ass down and get away from the redneck blasts. You capable of that or not? Are you trying to make yourself feel better by trying to cut others down?

You feel like your baby has been called ugly. We get it. And big ass deal if other posters like another coach more. It's called a message board.

You came at me first. You'll find that I've been respectful with you until that. Don't try and spin it around, the projection doesn't look good on you.

The only one making this a "big ass deal" is yourself.

 

[83Hawk]

I think he would have done about the same. Some top 10 finishes, some clunker seasons.

The offense wouldn't have been as different as you think, since he wouldn't have been trying to adapt to the Air Raid, basketball on grass style of play the Big 12 became known for in the late 2000s.

He would have hired Mike Stoops as his DC, and likely taken just as long to finally fire him (ie, about 3 seasons too late). So he would have had the same coordinator controversy, just on the other side of the ball.

Most importantly, though, the recruiting advantages he had at OU wouldn't be there.

I can practically guarantee the offense would be more productive under Stoops. To think otherwise is foolish.

 

[83Hawk]

Hah, get ****ed.

I've been on record saying the offense sucks right now, and BF should be demoted.

What I point out is dipshits like yourself that want to throw the baby out with the bathwater because you don't like the coach and only look at flaws without acknowledging accomplishments. AKA the kind of ridiculous people who are ONLY active after losses because it gives them their chance to practice being miserable.

Somebody needs a nap.

 

[frydaze]

I can practically guarantee the offense would be more productive under Stoops. To think otherwise is foolish.

As I noted earlier, and Bob even said this in his original presser at OU when being named coach, he admitted offense wasn't his expertise so he'd go out and hire a top flight offensive mind. That guy turned out being Mike Leach-- who he hired from Kentucky. Then eventually it became Mark Mangino, then became Kevin Sumlin, then Josh Heupel, ultimately became Lincoln Riley. All FIVE eventually became Power 5 HCs. This is why OUs offenses have been amazing through the years. Again, for anyone to think Stoops doesn't hire offensive minds at Iowa had he been here is nothing that those critics wanting to make themselves feel better that we didn't land Stoops.

 

[Fair Child]

Thats certainly a factual statement BGB. AND it goes both ways doesn't it? NONE of these posters, (yes thats you too Irvin ), have any idea what Bob would have done at Iowa either do you? You see its real easy in retrospect to sit here some two decades + later and say , "well if Stoops would have come here, we would have done this". when in fact you don't know any such thing. While its not totally impossible, there's NO evidence that he would have won a title at Iowa. NONE, and arguing that he would have because he won a title in year two at Oklahoma is ridiculous. Frosty's pointed out numerous reasons why the schools don't compare, and frankly those are about the only factual statements in this thread.
Now what this is really all about is folks here are more tired of KF's boring style of play. Okay, fair point. But lets not make up shit which has no basis in fact just to pad your argument. Its also quite possible that Bob would have become frustrated and disenchanted at Iowa overtime at not winning the big one and left a long time ago, and we could have gone through numerous poor hires by now. Again we'll never know at this point.

Stoops was such a hot commodity back then, its Not hard to imagine that he would have attracted a much higher caliber of players to Iowa than KF did.

 

[frydaze]

Thats certainly a factual statement BGB. AND it goes both ways doesn't it? NONE of these posters, (yes thats you too Irvin ), have any idea what Bob would have done at Iowa either do you? You see its real easy in retrospect to sit here some two decades + later and say , "well if Stoops would have come here, we would have done this". when in fact you don't know any such thing. While its not totally impossible, there's NO evidence that he would have won a title at Iowa. NONE, and arguing that he would have because he won a title in year two at Oklahoma is ridiculous.

And you are saying what I am-- Stoops never coached at Iowa so how he would have done can only be speculated. To turn it around on you, there's no evidence Bob wouldn't have won a national title at Iowa--NONE-- for the very reason I stated at the beginning.

We can only have opinions-- mine being Bob Stoops is the better coach.

And we can turn it in another direction to-- though it's only speculation....does KF accomplish at OU what Stoops did? Many would say "absolutely not". Again, something we'll never know.

 

[TampaHawkfan]

When brought up against Iowa's accomplishments in that same time frame (6 top 25 finishes, 2 top 10), yes, it's a stupid argument.

No it isn't. Without losing games they shouldn't, the results would be even better.

If you're trying to say that losing those games simply doesn't matter, then I strongly disagree.

 

[Frosty7130]

No it isn't. Without losing games they shouldn't, the results would be even better.

If you're trying to say that losing those games simply doesn't matter, then I strongly disagree.

Not what I'm saying. At all.

Those suck. But the positives outweigh the negatives, especially over the course of 15 years.

 

[Irvin 88]

I'm 62. Iowa was last mentioned in contention for the then mythical national title the year I turned 2. If that is your metric of success for a program like Iowa you are never going to be satisfied. You will be chronically unhappy if you stick with Iowa.

Roll on over to a Big Blue Blood. tOSU is probably a better school to support, keep it in the Midwest.

 

[Irvin 88]

How does it make you feel that Cincinnati is now closer to a NC then you have ever experienced as a Hawk fan? Dan Gable would punch some of you square in the nose for having such a losers mentality....its pathetic. Why play if the ultimate goal (not saying once a decade) isn't a National Championship???

 

[Irvin 88]

Stoops had 4 Natty attempts winning one in 2000 VS Fl State
Lost one to u$c, LSU & Florida
He did win a Rose Bowl in 03 with the Sooners

Thank you....TOTALLY forgot about the other TWO natty attempts....you just further made my point....their coaching careers aren't even close!!!