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Bowl Game Speculation

AuroraHawk

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Lots of thread with bowl game speculation as the topic.

I found the 2015-2016 CFP Media Guide to be quite informative on the process: http://cfp-cms-s3-prod.slcfp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/CFP_2015_2016_MEDIA_GUIDE.pdf

Go to ps. 30-31 of the Guide (p. 16 of the pdf).

If all goes as expected, the Rose Bowl will lose the B1G champion to the playoffs and the Sugar Bowl will lose both the Big 12 and SEC champions to the playoffs.

Thus, the Rose will select one replacement (from the B1G) and the Sugar will select two replacements (from the Big 12 and SEC).

Thus, after the top four teams are slotted in the playoffs, the Rose and Sugar will grab the next three. Thereafter, it is solely up to the committee to create the "most compelling match-ups" to fill the Fiesta Bowl and the Peach Bowl. It will factor in (a) geographic proximity; (b) avoid seasonal re-matches; and (c) avoid re-matches of last year's bowl games.

If all goes according to Hoyle, then the CFP will be Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma and Iowa/MSU.
I'm sticking with my prediction that the Rose Bowl will be true to its word that it will take the highest ranking non-playoff B1G team to face Stanford.
The Sugar Bowl selections are interesting. Who will be the Big 12 and SEC selections? I'm betting TCU out of the Big 12. They lost to OU by 1 two weeks ago and beat Baylor last weekend. They are the "best" bet out of the OkieSt/Baylor/TCU class. As for the SEC, I'm thinking that Ole Miss will jump Florida. Florida has been awful lately and Ole Miss has beaten Alabama and beaten ranked LSU and MissSt on consecutive weekends. I think that Ole Miss will pass Florida in the CFP rankings.

Who does that leave for the likely Fiesta and Peach slottings by the CFP committee?
One loss teams:
Loser of Iowa/MSU
Ohio State (if not in Rose Bowl)

Two loss teams:
Baylor (Big 12)
Okie State (Big 12)
Notre Dame (Indy)
Florida State (ACC)
North Carolina (ACC)
Florida (SEC)
Group of 5 selection

My belief is that the Florida State/Florida game was a "play-in" game. Florida's loss drops them from a New Year's 6 bowl. I'm also assuming that UNC is out if it loses to Clemson. I'm also viewing Baylor's win over Okie State as eliminating Okie State from serious consideration. Notre Dame and a Group of 5 team (probably Houston) are locks. A third B1G team (either Iowa/MSU loser or Ohio State) is extremely likely as well. That leaves the last slot to be a battle between Baylor and Florida State.

If the committee is charged with creation of the best possible match-ups, might there be incentive to keep Iowa/MSU at #4/#5 after the B1G championship game with the winner getting at least #4 and the loser getting #5? That would slot the loser in the Rose Bowl against Stanford and allow the committee to set up a battle of the blue bloods (Ohio State v. ND) in the Fiesta. You could then have a Baylor v. Houston battle in the Peach (in-state intrigue, fairly close in proximity). However, I'm not sure that game has great allure. Two relatively small schools doesn't necessarily lead to a great gate. Florida State would be out in this scenario.

Or, will the committee drop the loser of the B1G championship game below Ohio State which could set the stage for Ohio State to the Rose Bowl and a match-up of two programs with a history against one another in ND v. Florida State? Likely to be Fiesta Bowl. That would send the loser of Iowa/MSU to play the Group of 5 "winner" (I'm thinking that will be Houston). Likely to be the Peach Bowl. Baylor would be out in this scenario.

If the result is unpleasant on Saturday in the B1G championship game, I'm starting to think that the committee's "most compelling" charge could actually play into Iowa getting a Rose Bowl bid. If the committee wants an Ohio State/ND TV blockbuster in Phoenix, it could slot Iowa above OSU.

If, on the other hand, Ohio State grabs the Rose Bowl bid, here is how I envision the committee would see the next most compelling match-ups among eligible teams:

#1: Notre Dame v. Florida State http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...03/fsu-notre-dame-1993-history-series-rivalry
#2: Notre Dame v. Iowa
#3: Notre Dame v. Baylor

When all is said and done, I think that Iowa's fate is:
1. Win and get into the playoffs.
2. Rose Bowl against Stanford if committee wants OSU/ND or Peach Bowl against Houston if the committee wants FSU/ND. My heart would hope for an Iowa/ND match-up but my head says that the FSU/ND history would prevail.
 
That was way too long and boring to get to a result that everyone already knows.

It's either playoffs with a win, Rose if a loss if we can stay above OSU in the rankings (or maybe even be just one spot or 2 behind them, they *can* pick whoever they want, and it's been a lot longer since Iowa's been there than OSU), or more likely the Fiesta or Peach with a loss. Most likely opponents in the latter two games are the Group of 5 participant (likely Houston), or else ND or FSU.

This is not that complicated.
 
Wouldn't they want to split ND and FSU into separate games to get eyeballs on both games? Seems an Iowa-Houston matchup would get terrible ratings. But maybe they're willing to write off one game to get great ratings in the other instead of good ratings in both.
 
Lots of speculation on this already.

My prediction:
Rose: OSU vs Stanford (if they win this week)

Peach or Fiesta: Iowa/MSU loser vs. N.D..
 
Stewart Mandel has a new article ...which seems to say no more guessing..but talking to sources....has OSU/ND Fiesta...saying the committee will take the best matchups...Iowa/stanford...I do believe ESPN/committee has power...the bowls do not have all the power...also if anyone can verify...in the final polls they have yet to rank the Big 10 championship game loser lower than any team left out of the title game in the BIG 10
 
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Thanks OP. This is the best explanation I have seen of the variables involved.

I'm sorry if this offends Houston, but I don't want to be 12-1 and play them in the Peach. I'm not saying they aren't worthy - they would probably beat us. I was just hoping for Rose or Notre Dame.
 
I know OSU sleepwalked through the season and deserves omission from the playoffs. Seems like they played just well enough to win at times and their coaching played very conservatively at times to try to hold onto leads (when they were up 14-7 against MSU). BUT, the team that draws them in their bowl game is not getting a bargain. Would not want to play the Buckeyes right now. That is one pi$$ed off football team (ask Michigan) I really believe that we can mark up a win for the conference in their game.
 
If Iowa loses, why wouldn't they finish 5th, ahead of OSU. OSU didn't lose any ground when they lost to MSU, so why would we and we won our Division..
 
The top ranked team from the other 5 conferences gets in no matter what they're ranked
 
If Iowa loses, why wouldn't they finish 5th, ahead of OSU. OSU didn't lose any ground when they lost to MSU, so why would we and we won our Division..

Osu dropped to 8th after their loss to MSU. Take this to the bank: the loser will drop behind OSU.
 
Spoke to both the head of the Fiesta Bowl and the ticket office manager and they both said Notre Dame is in the Fiesta Bowl and they will take Iowa if they're available. So the good news is Iowa won't slip to the Peach Bowl!
 
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If Iowa loses, why wouldn't they finish 5th, ahead of OSU. OSU didn't lose any ground when they lost to MSU, so why would we and we won our Division..
because the freaks who rank these teams are just dying to knock iowa down and wetting their pants to move up last year's champ
 
Spoke to both the head of the Fiesta Bowl and the ticket office manager and they both said Notre Dame is in the Fiesta Bowl and they will take Iowa if they're available. So the good news is Iowa won't slip to the Peach Bowl!

If you guys do end up playing those arrogant ba$tards iin the Fiesta, I'll be pulling hard for you. They've had threads on their board all year about the weak BIG. In fact there's a thread going on their board right now about the BIG and everyone's weak schedules. They're too good to join a conference and share monies like other conferences but yet expect preferential treatment because of "their name." I hate that team !
 
Spoke to both the head of the Fiesta Bowl and the ticket office manager and they both said Notre Dame is in the Fiesta Bowl and they will take Iowa if they're available. So the good news is Iowa won't slip to the Peach Bowl!

I like what you are writing but, according to the CFP Media Guide that I quoted earlier, doesn't the CFP committee slot the teams in the bowls? What role does the Fiesta Bowl play in the selection process?
 
The CFP is the bowls/conferences/ESPN. The NCAA doesn't run the CFP. Of course the bowls have a say. That,so why they announce the semifinalists at 11:30 and other four games not until 2:00. They need time to talk to the bowls and finalize their rankings to fit (ie: if Rose, Fiesta, and B1G agree that Iowa should go to Pasadena and Buckeyes to Glendale then Iowa will be ranked higher so that Rose can say they took the higher team)
 
I like what you are writing but, according to the CFP Media Guide that I quoted earlier, doesn't the CFP committee slot the teams in the bowls? What role does the Fiesta Bowl play in the selection process?

Absolutely none. The bowls have no say at all outside of the contract games (B10-P12-Rose and SEC-B12-Sugar).
 
The CFP is the bowls/conferences/ESPN. The NCAA doesn't run the CFP. Of course the bowls have a say. That,so why they announce the semifinalists at 11:30 and other four games not until 2:00. They need time to talk to the bowls and finalize their rankings to fit (ie: if Rose, Fiesta, and B1G agree that Iowa should go to Pasadena and Buckeyes to Glendale then Iowa will be ranked higher so that Rose can say they took the higher team)

LOL

Completely, 100% false. The non-contract games have zero say. Games like the Rose and Sugar do get to pick.
 
I imagine that thinking that the committee DOESN'T talk behind the scenes with the bowls is the LOL opinion, not mine. I could be wrong, but I doubt it in this case.

Why else is there a gap between when the playoff pairings are announced at 11:30 and the other bowls and rankings 5-25 announced at 2:00. It's to give them time behind the scenes to work things out with the bowls, conferences, and TV (or at least bowls and TV) and arrange the rankings to correlate with their bowl pairings
 
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