BTN going on about our 9 conference game schedules

[H4wkfan4life]

People still moaning about Alabama getting into the playoffs last year. "They played such a week schedule . . ."
Their non-con schedule: Fresno State (10-4 and won their bowl game), Florida State (had their worst season in years but still managed to win a bowl game. I don't think any sane person would say scheduling them is loading up on cupcakes), Colo St-went 7-5 and lost their bowl game, and Mercer. So one perennial powerhouse who happened to have a down year (who was the last non-con powerhouse Iowa played?), two teams that are consistently second or third-tier programs in football, and one cupcake. Their side of the SEC was down somewhat but still would be a tough schedule for anyone. They lost at Auburn. That would be the equivalent of OSU losing at Michigan. Oh, and OSU lost TWO games, including their wood-shedding at Iowa. I wouldn't believe anyone would even argue this except for the insanity I see expressed every day anymore.

that is part of the problem.....who cares about "bowl teams"
Look at arkansas sched.....if they could have beaten a weak csu they would only need to go 2-6 vs power 5 teams to get a bowl. then they could be another "bowl" team that bama/etc beat. wow 2-6 vs power 5 and that is bragging rights these days!?
Fresno did not beat a single power 5 team and got curbstomped in the 2 teams they did play(yes, they were top notch teams but still). Their bowl win was a squeaker vs a houston team that got DESTROYED by TULANE!

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Here is the Non Conf SOS at the end of the regular season.
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/non-conference-sos-by-other?date=2017-12-14


Here is the non conf SOS which includes playoffs/bowls. Alabama 5 and Purdue 13.
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/non-conference-sos-by-other?date=2018-01-15

Here is the SOS which includes all games:
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/sos-basic-by-other?date=2018-01-08

I'm not listening to anyone who tries to tell me braska had a tougher schedule than we did last year! LMFAO

 

[iahawks10]

I'm not listening to anyone who tries to tell me braska had a tougher schedule than we did last year! LMFAO

The two schedules were very similar. Nebraska played Iowa which strengthened their schedule. Iowa played Nebraska, which did not strengthen their schedule.

 

[Hawktagonapus]

It’s not that complicated. If you want in the playoff, win all your games. If you’re a big name program you get one mulligan. Alabama gets the tie-breaker over other schools with the same record.

All talk about SoS, late vs early losses, etc. etc. is a farce.

 

[iahawks10]

It’s not that complicated. If you want in the playoff, win all your games. If you’re a big name program you get one mulligan. Alabama gets the tie-breaker over other schools with the same record.

All talk about SoS, late vs early losses, etc. etc. is a farce.

Not sure I’d go so far to call SOS a farce. If the committee didn’t look at SOS, UCF at 12-0 would have been the overall #1 seed of the playoffs.

As it just so happens, UCF with SOS in the 70’s and 80’s was left out.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

The two schedules were very similar. Nebraska played Iowa which strengthened their schedule. Iowa played Nebraska, which did not strengthen their schedule.

they also played rutgers instead of msu and had an easier road sched. also isu had a better year than oregon......

 

[Hawktagonapus]

Not sure I’d go so far to call SOS a farce. If the committee didn’t look at SOS, UCF at 12-0 would have been the overall #1 seed of the playoffs.

As it just so happens, UCF with SOS in the 70’s and 80’s was left out.

They can say it’s SoS but it’s all on reputation. UCF was getting left out regardless of who they played.

 

[iahawks10]

they also played rutgers instead of msu and had an easier road sched. also isu had a better year than oregon......

Arkansas St was better than N Texas. Wyoming and NIU was nearly a push. ISU was 15 spots better than Oregon (per Sagarin). ASU was 13 spots better than N Texas.

Iowa played at MSU, where Nebraska played Rutgers at home. What you’re not considering here is that Nebraska played #18 Iowa and Iowa played at #75 Nebraska. Sagarin has Iowa’s SOS at 5 and Nebraska’s at 9.

 

[iahawks10]

They can say it’s SoS but it’s all on reputation. UCF was getting left out regardless of who they played.

You have absolutely no idea what the committee would have done had UCF played a SOS above 89. That’s about as ridiculous of a comment as saying Alabama only got in because they’re Alabama.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Arkansas St was better than N Texas. Wyoming and NIU was nearly a push. ISU was 15 spots better than Oregon (per Sagarin). ASU was 13 spots better than N Texas.

Iowa played at MSU, where Nebraska played Rutgers at home. What you’re not considering here is that Nebraska played #18 Iowa and Iowa played at #75 Nebraska. Sagarin has Iowa’s SOS at 5 and Nebraska’s at 9.

The only opponent ak st had in common with n texas was smu. And n texas lost to them by 1 less point. Not sure how you can say you know which team was better. Both were 7 win teams playing in garbage conferences. However....I'm 100% sure the difference between the 2 is nothing when comparing schedules.

For b1g iowa played AT wiscy, nw, msu, neb(if you want to count them lol)
braska played at pu, psu and thats about it ia, wis, osu, nw all at home

 

[iahawks10]

The only opponent ak st had in common with n texas was smu. And n texas lost to them by 1 less point. Not sure how you can say you know which team was better. Both were 7 win teams playing in garbage conferences. However....I'm 100% sure the difference between the 2 is nothing when comparing schedules.

For b1g iowa played AT wiscy, nw, msu, neb(if you want to count them lol)
braska played at pu, psu and thats about it ia, wis, osu, nw all at home

The same way I can tell you that Iowa (8-5) was better than Marshall (8-5). It’s called rankings. You know what they use when calculating SOS.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

The same way I can tell you that Iowa (8-5) was better than Marshall (8-5). It’s called rankings. You know what they use when calculating SOS.

ok, so you're going off what you were told. like the people who state braska had a tougher schedule last year.....

 

[iahawks10]

ok, so you're going off what you were told. like the people who state braska had a tougher schedule last year.....

Yeah.

 

[Besthawkfan]

soooo if it is a rigged system you are insinuating that georgia was payed to quit , right ? very stupid post .

They weren't paid to quit. The coach probably gave them a talk like like Jacksonvilles coach did. Saying sorry guys we are not supposed to win this one. It was obvious Georgia laid down the second half.

 

[hoffhawk]

In 2012, 11-1 Alabama played 13-0 LSU and shut them out 21-0, so it was 2 teams from the SAME conference division. The BCS was not better in the way you suggest.

Still, I hate Alabama and would love to see their overbuilt, consultant driven business of winning football at all costs get stuffed. But... I agree with the CFP guideline of ‘best’ team being put in over other considerations, even if the repetitiveness is beginning to hurt the sport IMO

I can respect the idea of having the "best" teams play for the NC. Problem is, how is "best" decided.

For me, that is and should always be decided by how they played against other opponents in a tournament situation. Basketball and wrestling are good examples of this. Do the expected teams/individuals USUALLY rise to the top of the podium? Yes. Does it ALWAYS work that way? No. That's what makes sports really exciting - the possibility of a long shot climbing to the #1 spot. A UNI basketball team winning the NCAA, or a no-name claiming an NC at HWT. A wild card winning the Super Bowl, etc., etc.

The current system does NOT allow for cinderella stories at all because it looks at what "should" be not what "might" be. Unfortunately, the only way to this is a grand tournament more like the FCS and the powers that be do NOT want that (but they will give excuses about how it is not good for the athlete, etc...like they really care about that).

 

[UncleChesterton]

I can respect the idea of having the "best" teams play for the NC. Problem is, how is "best" decided.

For me, that is and should always be decided by how they played against other opponents in a tournament situation. Basketball and wrestling are good examples of this. Do the expected teams/individuals USUALLY rise to the top of the podium? Yes. Does it ALWAYS work that way? No. That's what makes sports really exciting - the possibility of a long shot climbing to the #1 spot. A UNI basketball team winning the NCAA, or a no-name claiming an NC at HWT. A wild card winning the Super Bowl, etc., etc.

The current system does NOT allow for cinderella stories at all because it looks at what "should" be not what "might" be. Unfortunately, the only way to this is a grand tournament more like the FCS and the powers that be do NOT want that (but they will give excuses about how it is not good for the athlete, etc...like they really care about that).

All you’re really making an argument for is the mathematical possibility of a true outlier result. This ignores the physical realities of football and the very real situation we now see of key players opting out of bowls for financial reasons.

I see two very possible scenarios that make your statement “always be decided by how they played against other opponents in a tournament situation” at least a step or 2 closer to reality (but still requiring excellent regular season performance):

1. Expand to 8 team playoffs
2. Expand to 6 team playoffs with Alabama and one other team getting a bye

 

[airforceclone]

I wish they'd get rid of the committee of idiots choosing 4 teams. They should have 8 teams in the playoff and go back to the BCS rankings. Top 8 in the rankings were the college football playoff. Super easy.

 

[papabeef]

They weren't paid to quit. The coach probably gave them a talk like like Jacksonvilles coach did. Saying sorry guys we are not supposed to win this one. It was obvious Georgia laid down the second half.

still a very stupid post .