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Caitlin Clark goes woke

Why is it the league only has a huge following when Clark enters, who happens to be white? There have been a handful of players in the past who have been just as good. She gained it for a couple of reasons, 1 is she is talented, 2. she would make passes and shoot shots most cannot do or make 3. she is willing to show emotion 4. In general doesn't piss off too many people 5. There is a bit that its a white player that many whether they will admit it or not have gravitated to because she is white, and its not something most see of a white player have that high level of success in either the W or NBA (couple of players). Its been a phenomenon, similar to Jordan or Tiger and maybe even more similar to Bird. The similarities to Bird are almost symmetric, great 3 shooter, ability to drive, tons of swagger, underrated defender and can take over games, also a white player dominating in a sport dominated by African Americans. Going to a college that wasn't a well known commodity and becoming a star, and leading their teams to the national championship game and losing. Also being rookie of the year. She came up at the right time, with NIL, increased viewership, self marketing through media accounts of an under viewed sport. She took the bull by the horns and created some media created enemies, whether South Carolina, LSU, Angel Reese, Sheryl Swoopes. It all melded into a great storyline. You either cheer for her, cheer for her to get beat, or go to see what amazing thing she will do this next game.
The Clark phenom was the perfect storm of many things, no doubt. The biggest of which is she plays an exciting style of ball in a league that has been a yawner for quite awhile.
 
Very true, but I try to never beat a dead horse. I do believe the "Caitlin is a victim of racism" opinion has been debunked. Horse funeral time.

Meh…. interestingly enough, and since you were present in my conversation, with chance, you may even disagree with this, but I believe racism is overused 1 million fold in today’s society every which way it can be used.

With that said, there was most assuredly jealousy, pettiness, and a concerted effort to keep her from succeeding. Now I’m not one that leaps to thinking that has to be because of a persons “skin color“ but the more liberally minded often do.

But in Truth they did not want this phenom showing them up. We’ll see how Paige gets guarded when she shows up next year.

Honestly, most of what’s wrong with human beings can be summed up in about four or five catch words; Pride, selfishness, jealousy, lust & self doubt. With a little ignorance mixed in.

Everyone wants to talk about gender and race and hate crimes….

Let me tell you something if you kill someone or take their stuff, that’s a hate crime😉

All that stuff is encompassed above.
 
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Im sure shes crushed by your take.
I thought MAGAs we're against cancel culture..


Meh….I think they are more about telling people to F-off than organizing a protest and whining incessantly about free expression like the hard left radicals.

I mean, I think his takes dumb, but nobody is telling him he can’t have it, right? So no I’m not sure your dig fits him…
 
Sad to see that she finally bent the knee. But strange that it's coming now after all this time. Almost feels as though her agent/the WNBA told her to say this. Basketball is a black majority sport, white players are seen as objectively worse on every level, there is no white privledge in basketball. Black players are worshipped, most white players are the butt of jokes.

The WNBA is an objectively worse product than the NBA, we have the financials and TV ratings to prove it. People aren't rejecting these players because they're black, they just don't care about them because they provided a poor product. Are there good players in the W? Yes, and Caitlin was the way they could show the world that the W is better than we thought. This is because CC's game is unlike anything we've seen from a woman before.

However, CC has only exposed the blatant racism and hatred in the W. CC joining the W should have been a celebration for all players, but we all saw how that turned out.

I just hope she knows that no matter what she says, they'll never care about her. To them, she's a tool, a mouthpiece for their agenda. Once she's proved her usefulness, they'll toss her aside. But maybe this will finally take the heat off her from psycho players who are ready to either gouge her eyes out or tackle her to the floor?
Nothing says MAGA moron like telling someone that THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE is wrong.
 
The Clark phenom was the perfect storm of many things, no doubt. The biggest of which is she plays an exciting style of ball in a league that has been a yawner for quite awhile.
Please put in qualitative or quantitative numbers how she is so much more exciting than previous players? I agree with you, but what stirs the drink that makes her play more exciting than a player in a previous era, say Sheryl Swoopes (just as an example)?
 
Meh…. interestingly enough, and since you were present in my conversation, with chance, you may even disagree with this, but I believe racism is overused 1 million fold in today’s society every which way it can be used.

With that said, there was most assuredly jealousy, pettiness, and a concerted effort to keep her from succeeding. Now I’m not one that leaps to thinking that has to be “because of a persons skin color“ but the more liberally minded generally do.

Bur they did not want this phenom showing them up.

We’ll see how Paige gets guarded when she shows up next year.

Honestly, most of what’s wrong with human beings can be summed up in about four or five catch words; Pride, selfishness, jealousy, lust& self doubt. With a little ignorance mixed in.

Everyone wants to talk about gender and race and hate crimes….

Let me tell you something if you kill someone or take their stuff, that’s a hate crime😉

All that stuff is encompassed above.
Cool, so we both agree they have been beating a dead horse. Our opinions are more similar than they are different. We are just coming at them from different angles.
 
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That's not being woke ... it's just being reflective and considerate.

The majority ethnicity in this country is caucasian ... and there are distinct advantages that go along with it. If you're a talented white athlete in this country ... you're usually going to get proportionally more attention than your black counterparts. Of course, some folks erroneously peg this observation as a reflection of racism ... but it's not ... it's simply a result of (unconscious) in-group vs out-group sociological dynamics ... and a reflection of a "numbers"-game. Of course, imagine for a moment that you're an exceptionally talented athlete who is not white ... and you see yourself getting less attention than other players (of comparable talent) simply due to your appearance. Were I in that situation .... I know that I'd be irritated about it.
Bs. Tiger woods, Michael Jordan and many others are universally exonerated. Our own fans admire Caleb johnson and our 2 great linebacker above the rest of our football team.
 
Meh….I think they are more about telling people to F-off than organizing a protest and whining incessantly about free expression like the hard left radicals.

I mean, I think his takes dumb, but nobody is telling him he can’t have it, right? So no I’m not sure your dig fits him…
He literally cancelled. No one is talking about "hard left" anything. That's a hard pivot.
 
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Some of you are f’n crazy. She’s being honest and aware.
I will preface this by saying white privilege exists america, as a general statement. But, to raise a counterpoint as to Caitlin's fame specifically, why didn't Stewart's, Plum's, or Ionescu's white privilege heretofore garner such attention, fanfare, and endorsements? I think the answer is that Caitlin is the perfect storm of being an athletic freak, with a freaky work ethic, with freaky skill, with a freaky competitive spirit, all allowing her to put up freaky numbers, in an exciting way, while doing her best to ingratiate herself fans. She has built her following brick by brick, hour by hour of practice, performance by performance, autograph by autograph.
 
I think a lot of former and current WNBA players honestly believe they’re as good as Caitlin and in their minds, the easiest explanation for why they don’t get the attention she does is racism. As more people recognize her as a generational talent, and more players realize she’s simply on another level, the racial narrative will fade and everyone will be able to appreciate her as a superbly talented basketball player
They probably do think that, but this chart drives home for me just how different she is from everyone else, and explains her insane popularity.

 
They probably do think that, but this chart drives home for me just how different she is from everyone else, and explains her insane popularity.

You should read her quote about D1 athletes in the same article. 😅

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You should read her quote about D1 athletes in the same article. 😅

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I did read the article. What point do you think you are making? The point I am making is that compared to all other players in the country, including Juju Watkins and every outstanding male player, she was like 10 standard deviations from the norm, if not more. Just because she was able to do that against D1 athletes does not mean anyone else can.
 
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I did read the article. What point do you think you are making? The point I am making is that compared to all other players in the country, including Juju Watkins and every outstanding male player, she was like 10 standard deviations from the norm, if not more. Just because she was able to do that against D1 athletes does not mean anyone else can.
My point is that she knows.
 
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That when she was on the court against other D1 players she was the dot in the upper right hand corner.
Yup, i had great seats to watch in HCA the last 3 years. Anyone who thought her talent was only logo 3s was a moron.
To me that was the least impressive part of her game. I also think you have to be courtside to understand how far ahead she was of everone around her.
 
That when she was on the court against other D1 players she was the dot in the upper right hand corner.
I guess we are misunderstanding one another. I read your post to say her statistical peculiarity was no big deal because she admitted she did it against hapless people that couldn't do anything about it. My counterpoint is that no one could do anything about, and no one else could do what she did. But I guess what you were saying is that she did it against hapless people and she knew they were hapless, or better understands now how hapless they were.
 
Yup, i had great seats to watch in HCA the last 3 years. Anyone who thought her talent was only logo 3s was a moron.
To me that was the least impressive part of her game. I also think you have to be courtside to understand how far ahead she was of everone around her.
One of the biggest fails I think my son will look back on with regret is that he and his buddy had tickets to the game where she broke the record. They lifted before going to the game, and then it took longer to get to Carver than he thought it would. She broke the record like 3 minutes before they got into Carver and their seats.
 
I guess we are misunderstanding one another. I read your post to say her statistical peculiarity was no big deal because she admitted she did it against hapless people that couldn't do anything about it. My counterpoint is that no one could do anything about, and no one else could do what she did. But I guess what you were saying is that she did it against hapless people and she knew they were hapless, or better understands know how hapless they were.
My point is that she was way better than everyone else and she knew it. Or at least now in retrospect understands that she was way better than them.
 
I guess we are misunderstanding one another. I read your post to say her statistical peculiarity was no big deal because she admitted she did it against hapless people that couldn't do anything about it. My counterpoint is that no one could do anything about, and no one else could do what she did. But I guess what you were saying is that she did it against hapless people and she knew they were hapless, or better understands know how hapless they were.
You mean she played against mere mortals? The Iowa staff had to address that when she got here
 
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Non sequitur.


LOL…. first, I’m not against you or trying to screw with you. I just didn’t see the need for the MAGA reference.

And second, you’re seriously going to try and say “me” quoting you calling him a MAGA hypocrite (because that’s what you meant) is a non-starter…WTH.

That is literally the start, middle and finish…

You said MAGA people were supposed to be against cancel culture… and he basically said be who you want, but I’m not watching it

And you, not me, YOU, referenced MAGA and then git offended by my hard-left mention.

Super strange…
 
Yup, i had great seats to watch in HCA the last 3 years. Anyone who thought her talent was only logo 3s was a moron.
To me that was the least impressive part of her game. I also think you have to be courtside to understand how far ahead she was of everone around her.
Her ability to see the court and understand the patterns of the defense, their reads, and for the most part knowing where the opponent was going to go before they maybe knew themselves was lost on a lot of her critics.
 
One of the biggest fails I think my son will look back on with regret is that he and his buddy had tickets to the game where she broke the record. They lifted before going to the game, and then it took longer to get to Carver than he thought it would. She broke the record like 3 minutes before they got into Carver and their seats.
We have been going for years. It got insane. If you arent there at least an hour b4 tip good luck, you are in for a looong walk.
 
One of the biggest fails I think my son will look back on with regret is that he and his buddy had tickets to the game where she broke the record. They lifted before going to the game, and then it took longer to get to Carver than he thought it would. She broke the record like 3 minutes before they got into Carver and their seats.
In their defense, I'm not sure anyone thought she'd break the record a minute and a half into the game.
 
https://time.com/7200904/athlete-of-the-year-2024-caitlin-clark/

"Clark is cognizant of the racial underpinnings of her stardom. “I want to say I’ve earned every single thing, but as a white person, there is privilege,” says Clark. “A lot of those players in the league that have been really good have been Black players. This league has kind of been built on them. The more we can appreciate that, highlight that, talk about that, and then continue to have brands and companies invest in those players that have made this league incredible, I think it’s very important. I have to continue to try to change that. The more we can elevate Black women, that’s going to be a beautiful thing.”

So disappointed she bent the knee to the woke mob and a league that hates everything about her after being apolitical up to this point.
It's probably a safe bet that this will fall on deaf ears, but maybe give her quote a bit more thought than "that's woke, and woke is bad."

She said all of these things as a response to winning Time's "Athlete of the Year". A year where she won zero championships.

How do you think Caitlin, a fierce competitor that wants to be the best women's basketball player in the world feels about this award, playing in the WNBA, and the discussion around her popularity?
 
I guess we are misunderstanding one another. I read your post to say her statistical peculiarity was no big deal because she admitted she did it against hapless people that couldn't do anything about it. My counterpoint is that no one could do anything about, and no one else could do what she did. But I guess what you were saying is that she did it against hapless people and she knew they were hapless, or better understands now how hapless they were.


Yes and good summarization !
 
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We have been going for years. It got insane. If you arent there at least an hour b4 tip good luck, you are in for a looong walk.
Yeah, he had no excuse. He was a freshman and hoofed it from the Wellness Center. He just miscalculated the length of the walk, and he missed out on witnessing probably the single greatest individual athletic achievement ever to happen at Iowa.
 
LOL…. first, I’m not against you or trying to screw with you. I just didn’t see the need for the MAGA reference.

And second, you’re seriously going to try and say “me” quoting you calling him a MAGA hypocrite (because that’s what you meant) is a non-starter…WTH.

That is literally the start, middle and finish…

You said MAGA people were supposed to be against cancel culture… and he basically said be who you want, but I’m not watching it

And you, not me, YOU, referenced MAGA and then git offended by my hard-left mention.

Super strange…
Your take for sure.
I'm not offended, he'll hell i don't even know u. And yes he personally cancelled just because he thinks she went "woke".
'Bout as MAGA as you can get.
But hey, you have a good one
 
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You can stop cheering for her now.
I will. Nothing worse than White Guilt. I’m tired of this apology for how you born and what you accomplish. Fun fact: More Poor Whites than any race. More cops killed whitey than all other taxes combined. Been advantages for every race but whites since Affirmative action. Fvck off with this narrative and take. You sorry for being white that’s a you issue don’t clump all whites in. I apologize for nothing I haven’t done myself. Weak and soft. Fvck off CC
 
lol great thread
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Occasionally, I'll do a light pepperoni, but everything else can take a hike.
 
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