Just to be clear, you assume that because Lee didn't blame his injury during the interview, that is proof that the injury played no part?
Can we please accept the redshirting now?
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Just to be clear, you assume that because Lee didn't blame his injury during the interview, that is proof that the injury played no part?
I started a thread concerning this very topic on the first day of midlands. He had said during a past interview that he hoped to get two or three matches in during the tournament.
I started it because I doubted he would wrestle in the finals if he made it that far. Not saying my reasoning was sound, but I had my doubts he’d gave Suriano this early in his development with knee injury on mend.
Of course he would have wrestled the finals. Since he lost though, I’m sure the coaches told him to MFF. Why wrestle back to try for 3rd in a tourney, where he was wrestling unattached, coming back from a knee surgery. Smart money is to let him rest and reevaluate where he’s at after the weekend.
This board would have gone apeshit if Lee had reinjured his knee wrestling for a meaningless 3rd in this tourney.
I am interested to see how this Dalton Fox does at the scuffle. I will take Lee when they face off.
Geez, nothing like putting words in someones mouth. I said nothing of the kind. Usually if a wrestler loses to a Med FF, theres some physical ailment associated with it, but not a mention.. Usually during a match, a wrestler shows some sign of injury, injury time out, something. I didnt notice anything.
Just common sense..
Sorensen type? Bresser is not a Sorensen type. Sorensen at least moves forward and applies pressure. Two things Bresser barely sniffs at.
Then we agree that putting an athlete out there who is working his way back up to full speed in matches that don't count would be moronic. It's one thing to work in practice...it's a whole other thing to wrestle a real match and do it five times in two days. If Lee is good and they do take the redshirt off of him, wouldn't it be better to wrestle once a week and work to peak at B1G and NCAAs?
Two guys from Rutgers forfeited out of the tourney. Gravina, who's shoulder acted up again in the semis had to have injury time but was able to finish the match. It's a known issue with him and he has wrestled with it for awhile now from what I know. Why didn't he finish tough guy? DeLuca got majored by Sorensen and seemed fine on the mat with a knee that is heavily wrapped. As soon as he came off the mat (out of camera's shot) he had to be helped over to a sitting position by the staff IIRC (I was there). So my question is this...who is the "moran" from Rutgers who let both of those guys out there?
Hey...it would have proved Iowa was hardcore tho to the Jersey guys hehe. Btw...there were 10+ individuals who MFF’d out after a cursory check. Badger Stickley did after beating a guy 16-2.
This whole thing is just so blown out of proportion and the amount of hateful people out there that take this opportunity to bash Lee and Iowa is really sad. It was a somewhat controversial loss to a guy that did the same exact thing to Fix and Suriano except Fix had 5 seconds of riding time to get the win and Suriano a stall call. Nobody seems to mention that it would have been a 25-35 minute turnaround for him to wrestle in the consolation semifinals, that would be tough for anyone let alone a kid coming off of 8 months of major knee surgery and just wrestling his first full match of the year.
I agree that it is sad how other fans/wrestlers use this and every other opportunity to bash the Iowa program. I’m not surprised by it as it has happened for a long time but it gets old.
We have to also realize that sometimes we bring it upon ourselves with the antics that happen. Lee has been nothing but class his whole career but he will end up hated and people will root against him because he is a Hawk.
Speaking of...saw him in the stands giving autographs and taking pics with the kids.
You make one major assumption when making the "usually" statement. You are assuming that the kids placement and points count for something, which Lee's clearly did not. In big tens, ncaas? Hell yeah, there is USUALLY a medical reason. As he was wrestling unattached, it didn't matter.
GO HAWKS!!!
He may be hated by some, because he is a Hawk. But since we have, by far, the biggest wrestling fan base, he will be loved by many more. I'm sure he will be fine with it
For the record, Im a fan of Brands.. this has nothing to do with it
I just didnt like the assumptions it was the knee or 3 match limit. We all know Lee wrestles if he makes the finals. Couldnt he just have a loss without a laundry list of excuses? I have nothing against Spencer, have followed through HS.. Hes no doubt a stud and likely multiple title contender..
Just this apparent Iowa mentality that any criticism or questioning results in youre a hater, a troll or anti Iowa... a bunch of BS
I just didnt like the assumptions it was the knee or 3 match limit. We all know Lee wrestles if he makes the finals. Couldnt he just have a loss without a laundry list of excuses? I have nothing against Spencer, have followed through HS.. Hes no doubt a stud and likely multiple title contender..
Just this apparent Iowa mentality that any criticism or questioning results in youre a hater, a troll or anti Iowa... a bunch of BS
Even worse.
Not taking shots at Rutgers dudes...Gravina is a tough SOB. I’m guessing if Rutgers were necknneck with Iowa in the team race or trying to hold a lead, he wrestles. But they weren’t...so why abuse Gravina’s shoulder in the consos.
That’s not an Iowa mentality, it’s a human mentality.
Brother: did you read your own post? That post makes absolutely zero sense. "Isn't that good at wrestling yet?" You're kidding, right? And are you're saying Bresser is a Sorensen type wrestler? Sorenson is a total badass, but I've never seen him bouncing around the mat like Bresser does...and I've NEVER seen him avoid conflict for 7 minutes like Bresser did, which let's face it, was a great strategy in the end. It cracks me up, one technically unsound match and now Lee goes from being the best recruit we've had in XX years to someone who "isn't that good at wrestling." I think you were doing a little pre-New Year's prep when you wrote your comments, or at least I'm hoping you were not your normal self when you wrote such a ridiculous post.
I way over did it last night and I don't think it was that bad for my state. I had to laugh at my phrasing on the "isn't that good at wrestling yet."
On the Sorensen I just meant he was going to hang around and try to win it late in the 3rd. I've witnessed that strategy on him with good results. He doesn't need to shirt, I'll just come up with excuses for my own selfish reasons. I want him and Warner around for a while.
I’ve been in favor of the redshirt this whole time. That being said, if nothing changes about the match except the right call is made, Lee all of the sudden has the largest margin of victory over Bresser when compared with Suriano and Fix. We’d all be much more optimistic.
Instead, Bresser adopted the Jason Tsquirtsis approach. He wanted to keep it close until the end and hit a big move. To his credit, he executed his game plan with a little help.
Instead, Bresser adopted the Jason Tsquirtsis approach. He wanted to keep it close until the end and hit a big move. To his credit, he executed his game plan with a little help.
This guy nailed it. I love the Russian, it was my thing. I just think he's using it so heavy because his brace might be slowing down his shot.
No, we officially cannot accept the redshirting.
No, we officially cannot accept the redshirting.
OP just likes to stir the pot.
Yes. We'll accept the redshirting of Murin and Lugo and Warner.
Although Murin appears to be the better of the three at 141.
He does, but we're getting into the tallest midget territory a little bit here.
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I sincerely wish him the best of luck and will be cheering very hard for him to win it all. However, my thoughts on this are genuine. I do not think this is what is best for the team. Now, I know it has been said that the decision is made based on what is best for the wrestler vs. what is best for the team, so if Lee and his family really want him to go, then go for it.
I simply didn't want to see one of his years wasted on a 3rd place team finish, because unless someone Tanya Harding's Snyder and Retherford's kneecaps, Iowa is still finishing 20+ points behind tOSU and PSU.
I simply didn't want to see one of his years wasted on a 3rd place team finish, because unless someone Tanya Harding's Snyder and Retherford's kneecaps, Iowa is still finishing 20+ points behind tOSU and PSU.
Wasted? I think we have different definitions of wasted.
I find the “ year wasted,” argument truely bizarre.
A year wasted to me would entail redshirting an athlete when he’s ready to go and then subsequently having him also ride the pine due to injury later in his career or wrestling through a major injury at less than 100%.
Contrary to popular belief, the competition is not getting easier next year. Sure fOSU will take a hit, but PS is still strong. So what are we holding these team points for? The 2022-2023 season? When we get to that point and look back, sure maybe it would have been nice to have those points a year later, but that's all speculation, you can't coach based on what may happen 5 years from now. If next year saw Iowa with a huge potential jump and everyone else dropping, maybe, but that's not the case.
You also keep the red shirt in your pocket in case you need it down the line. Just cuz you don't strategically use it now, doesn't mean you can't bring it back in to play in the future to set up a situation similar to how Zain was red shirted. Plus it's there for potential injury or for the year he wants to make a run at the Pokemon world championship (which my college freshman son wants to do, so I am not making fun here).
Getting out of the "red shirt everyone" mentality plays well with recruits and I think takes TNT into the new way of doing business and I for one am glad to see it.
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Btw, how could putting the best team possible on the mat be bad for the team?
Finally this bad idea is put to bed. Buckle up, Buttercup--it's gonna be a helluva ride!
Because I honestly think Iowa would be a true Title Contender the next 4 years with Lee. Now, one of those chances is "wasted" by putting him out this year when I don't see ANY way that Iowa wins it all this year.
My intentions on this are truly altruistic. I want to see Iowa back on top. I just don't see taking 3rd instead of 5th or 6th being worth putting the best team on the mat, when you lose a year over the next 4 of Lee.
Also, I keep reading that PSU doesn't get any easier, and although I disagree since losing a Retherford is huge, wouldn't you still want your best guy there for 4 years to combat PSU during that stretch? I truly wanted to see Lee, Warner and Murin be the 4 year nucleus with a great 4 year combo of Stoll/Cass to accompany them.
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