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Carl Sagan on the Existence of God

Well, of course.

IF I get there and IF I run into Jesus, I will have evidence. Which is completely different from what we have now.

And, by the way, I rarely mock Jesus. I'm a fan of many of his teachings. But, you see, you don't have to believe in his divinity (or even his existence) to admire his values.

Good. Please don't forget my advice.
 
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This:

That has nothing to do with the existence of God.

Delusions can be comforting and even inspiring.

Hey, I recall a story about a couple who was so inspired by the movie Rocky - all his hard work and dedication - that they sold their house and put all the money into lottery tickets.

Point being that being happy and inspired is great - but wouldn't it be even greater if it was based in reality?
 
That has nothing to do with the existence of God.

Delusions can be comforting and even inspiring.

Hey, I recall a story about a couple who was so inspired by the movie Rocky - all his hard work and dedication - that they sold their house and put all the money into lottery tickets.

Point being that being happy and inspired is great - but wouldn't it be even greater if it was based in reality?

It is based in reality. Jesus is not a delusion. He was a real historical person and hundreds of people saw Him resurrected from the dead.

Don't forget to ask Him to save you in a few years when you've passed on. Then you'll see.

Take care.
 
It is based in reality. Jesus is not a delusion. He was a real historical person and hundreds of people saw Him resurrected from the dead.
He may very well have been a real person. Even Chris Hitchens thought so. But the resurrection nonsense was just that and the claim that "people saw him resurrected" is simply made up.
 
First of all God is spirit . Last I checked there is not a physical body.
Jesus himself said this in John 4:24-
“God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”

He created man in His own image and likeness.

You are so logically inconsistent it’s pitiful. God is male when it suits your needs, he has no sex when that suits your needs.
 
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It is based in reality. Jesus is not a delusion. He was a real historical person and hundreds of people saw Him resurrected from the dead.

Don't forget to ask Him to save you in a few years when you've passed on. Then you'll see.

Take care.
In which gospel are there witnesses to the resurrection? My understanding is that they found an empty tomb and he appeared to a number of people.
 
He created man in His own image and likeness.

You are so logically inconsistent it’s pitiful. God is male when it suits your needs, he has no sex when that suits your needs.
Maybe if you understood what created in his image means?
It means we were created with the capacity to show Godly qualities to an imperfect decree of course .
We have the ability to love , to administer justice, to show wisdom etc.
why do you think that humans express outrage over the injustice we see happening ? It’s because we were created with with a sense of right and wrong .
 
He may very well have been a real person. Even Chris Hitchens thought so. But the resurrection nonsense was just that and the claim that "people saw him resurrected" is simply made up.

Chris Hitchens had a 7th grade knowledge of Christianity. He got demolished by Dr. William Lane Craig in a debate, someone that actually taught theology at a University.

Same with Richard Dawkins. The "New Atheists" don't know much about Christianity. Heck, one could study the writings of Thomas Aquinas for a lifetime. Those guys are amateurs.

Anyways, Jesus's apostles saw Him resurrected and died for that belief. They had 0 reason to make it all up. Further, Jesus's body has never been found.

But you remain unconvinced, which is why I advise you to ask Jesus to save you after your death. You're welcome. 🙂
 
Maybe if you understood what created in his image means?
It means we were created with the capacity to show Godly qualities to an imperfect decree of course .
We have the ability to love , to administer justice, to show wisdom etc.
why do you think that humans express outrage over the injustice we see happening ? It’s because we were created with with a sense of right and wrong .

And yet, up you insist god is male.
 
Chris Hitchens had a 7th grade knowledge of Christianity. He got demolished by Dr. William Lane Craig in a debate, someone that actually taught theology at a University.

Same with Richard Dawkins. The "New Atheists" don't know much about Christianity. Heck, one could study the writings of Thomas Aquinas for a lifetime. Those guys are amateurs.

Anyways, Jesus's apostles saw Him resurrected and died for that belief. They had 0 reason to make it all up. Further, Jesus's body has never been found.

But you remain unconvinced, which is why I advise you to ask Jesus to save you after your death. You're welcome. 🙂
Agree with your “new atheist” sentiment. Today’s atheists are total amateurs compared to their mid 20th century counterparts.
 
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And yet, up you insist god is male.
what other conclusion would one possibly make when the Bible itself identifies God as “He” or “Him”? Why are you fighting that point so hard? Do you want to label God according to your own understanding or the scriptures? I swear some people just argue for the sake of arguing? Apparently you have no belief in the Bible as being inspired.
 
You're arguing with a Jehovah's Witness. It's like Mormons sans the magic underwear. Pack a lunch.
It’s disappointing isn’t it that someone actually uses the Bible to discuss religion? I realize that book is not being used in most other denominations but still…nothing like some clear logic to make people like you angry .
 
It’s disappointing isn’t it that someone actually uses the Bible to discuss religion? I realize that book is not being used in most other denominations but still…nothing like some clear logic to make people like you angry .
May I ask which denomination of Christianity you're a member of?
 
The challenge for everyone is probably this, you will be shown how you are truly perceived by God, and you will likely be horrified, and you will say straight to Jesus Christ himself, I do not believe you can fix this.
 
It’s disappointing isn’t it that someone actually uses the Bible to discuss religion? I realize that book is not being used in most other denominations but still…nothing like some clear logic to make people like you angry .
And, you keep projecting.
 
That has nothing to do with the existence of God.

Delusions can be comforting and even inspiring.

Hey, I recall a story about a couple who was so inspired by the movie Rocky - all his hard work and dedication - that they sold their house and put all the money into lottery tickets.

Point being that being happy and inspired is great - but wouldn't it be even greater if it was based in reality?
Most people in cults are very happy.
 
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what other conclusion would one possibly make when the Bible itself identifies God as “He” or “Him”? Why are you fighting that point so hard? Do you want to label God according to your own understanding or the scriptures? I swear some people just argue for the sake of arguing? Apparently you have no belief in the Bible as being inspired.

Of course I have no belief the Bible is inspired, it's filled entirely with silliness and a perverted ethic.

But, nonetheless, you continue to exhibit an astonishing level of cognitive dissonance. He is a male (ie: he has a penis) but He is simply spiritual, not physical. Sex is a physical attribute. If "He" has no physical attributes, then "He" is not male.
 
Of course I have no belief the Bible is inspired, it's filled entirely with silliness and a perverted ethic.

But, nonetheless, you continue to exhibit an astonishing level of cognitive dissonance. He is a male (ie: he has a penis) but He is simply spiritual, not physical. Sex is a physical attribute. If "He" has no physical attributes, then "He" is not male.
Jehovas Witnesses aren't considered Christians because they reject the Trinity, like Mormons.

No offense.
I assure you we believe in Christ as the only begotten Son of God. But you’re right don’t believe in the Trinity doctrine. That hardly makes us non Christian.
We follow Jesus’ footsteps to the best of our ability and respect his position as Gods Son and as the Messiah and means of salvation .
 
I assure you we believe in Christ as the only begotten Son of God. But you’re right don’t believe in the Trinity doctrine. That hardly makes us non Christian.
We follow Jesus’ footsteps to the best of our ability and respect his position as Gods Son and as the Messiah and means of salvation .

Rejecting the Trinity is essentially rejecting Chrostianity. It's the central doctrine.

Mainstream Christian denominations don't consider Jehovas Witnesses to be Christian. Sorry.
 
Rejecting the Trinity is essentially rejecting Chrostianity. It's the central doctrine.

Mainstream Christian denominations don't consider Jehovas Witnesses to be Christian. Sorry.
Ok… sorry to disappoint you but I’m rather proud of the fact that we are not lumped in with the other in name only Christians. Most other churches teach human philosophy, ignore or water down Gods clear laws on morality , and put their faith in earthly governments or leaders . Since you’re such an expert maybe you could explain why it’s ok for other religion to be involved in politics and support earthly governments. Did your Lord not say to remain neutral in the worlds affairs , to be no part of the world? He stated this himself. Yet most people ignore that and turn their back on Gods Kingdom. The same government that Christ himself preached about while on earth .
Im proud to stand up for what the Bible teaches and do my best to follow it.
we will agree to disagree so take care
 
Ok… sorry to disappoint you but I’m rather proud of the fact that we are not lumped in with the other in name only Christians. Most other churches teach human philosophy, ignore or water down Gods clear laws on morality , and put their faith in earthly governments or leaders . Since you’re such an expert maybe you could explain why it’s ok for other religion to be involved in politics and support earthly governments. Did your Lord not say to remain neutral in the worlds affairs , to be no part of the world? He stated this himself. Yet most people ignore that and turn their back on Gods Kingdom. The same government that Christ himself preached about while on earth .
Im proud to stand up for what the Bible teaches and do my best to follow it.
we will agree to disagree so take care

Because Jesus said to give unto Ceasar what is Caesars.
 
I thought so from your lack of acceptance of the divinity of Christ.
If you mean by lack of divinity do I think Christ is God? The answer is no I don’t think he is God and Jesus himself did not claim to be equal to God. In fact he stated the Father was greater than himself .
perhaps you know of the scripture?
 
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Because Jesus said to give unto Ceasar what is Caesars.
Yes he did . Pay your taxes and be in subjection to the superior authority, however one would not compromise by following mans commands that violate Gods law.
mans it would not mean supporting an earthly government. What did Jesus do when the people tried to make him King? Did he accept? How about when Satan offered him all the kingdoms of the world? Did Jesus accept ? The answer is no on both counts . He stated his followers would be no part of the world. What is so hard about that statement ?
 
If you mean by lack of divinity do I think Christ is God? The answer is no I don’t think he is God and Jesus himself did not claim to be equal to God. In fact he stated the Father was greater than himself .
perhaps you know of the scripture?
If you’re not sure where he said this I would be happy to refresh your memory
 
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