Carl Sagan on the Existence of God
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Well I’m not sure what Bible you’re reading from but it’s clear Jesus was talking to his mother and John the apostle was there with her ! In fact Christ entrusted the care of his aging mother to John himself. Lol what the hell do you mean he wasn’t there ?
Your descriptions sound like you imagine God to be like Geppetto and Jesus is Pinocchio!
The Bible doesn't teach that, for one. Jesus is quoted in John as saying, "Before Abraham was, I am."
Early Christians debated for a long time the nature of Christ. Jesus being fully human and fully divine won out.
Like I said if you’re not willing to think about what the Bible says about Christ in relation to God there really is no point in arguing with you . We’ll agree to disagree . There is a lot of scriptural evidence to support Jesus being seperate from his Father. Maybe we’ll agree more about whether Petras can string together a winning season behind center .
You’re right it does. He was of course in existence before Abraham as a spirit son of God. Before he came to the earth to die for mankind thousands of years later
I'm not understanding your POV on Jesus. Whom do you believe Jesus to be according to the Bible and/or tradition?
So again I ask you how could Christ be God if he had a beginning ? If you believe God is everlasting to everlasting you have to see this as not reconcilable.
You need to step-back and realize this fact: No two people in the history of the human species interpret Scripture exactly the same. So, whatever you think "The Bible says about Christ" is exclusive to YOU. There's no one else that understands the Bible the way YOU do. No one else understands it the way I do.
You seem to revel in arguing with me. You keep claiming you're going to stop, and then you continue to do it. So, based on your actions, why should I take anything you say to be true?
You're asking me to explain the logic of the trinity? Lol. We're talking strictly from a Christian theological perspective, right?
The only begotten son of God.
I believe he is seperate from God himself .
Jesus himself called his father “my God” after he was resurrected
John 20:17-Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God”
Why would Jesus say that? Because he was not God! He was Gods son .
Well millions believe it. Based on what ? No real facts ?
you ask 3 different people what the Trinity is and you don’t get the same 3 answers. Does it make sense to you that God would hide his identity from humans and make it so hard to get to know Him?
I'm just trying to understand what you believe. I don't have a strong opinion on it.
Not according to the Bible and from Christ himself . He never claimed to be Gods equal.
Philippians 2:5-11-Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human. 8 More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake.For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground— 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Enjoy the banter BlackNGold… you’re the kind of dude I could chill at a bar and have a logical discussion with over a couple cold beers .
You too brother. At least we can both be happy FB season is just 7 weeks away !
Should have shared that 5 pages ago... would have saved me a lot of timeand effort
You can't find god when you fashion your desires on a narrative created by men. The motivations which have resulted in modern religion are the same by which a human being may devolve into oneself and deny the basis of that which bares itself open for discovery. Personally, my hopes and fears remain salient on an existential yearning for something beyond myself, or at least beyond that of a narrative from which man can write. Time and space defy discovery while promoting its awe, and truth likely remains an artifact for which we know not at this point of our journey. But we're here, and we haven't killed our world and killed our time yet, so strangers on this road we remain, wandering down the murky path in faith of light, and eager in sight.
Lots of people have had hellish near death experiences. I know a college professor that had one and became a Pastor.
If/when you get there, ask Jesus to save you. Then you can apologize for mocking Him for all these years
You know what the Bible say about not forgiving people?Lots of people have had hellish near death experiences. I know a college professor that had one and became a Pastor.
If/when you get there, ask Jesus to save you. Then you can apologize for mocking Him for all these years
Your belief, and lifetime of servitude, is literally built on the fear of a place that you don't know if it exists, but you hope it does so your chosen life of subjugation will, supposedly, keep you out of it.Lots of people have had hellish near death experiences. I know a college professor that had one and became a Pastor.
If/when you get there, ask Jesus to save you. Then you can apologize for mocking Him for all these years
Well, of course.
IF I get there and IF I run into Jesus, I will have evidence. Which is completely different from what we have now.
And, by the way, I rarely mock Jesus. I'm a fan of many of his teachings. But, you see, you don't have to believe in his divinity (or even his existence) to admire his values.
No, I nailed it. The proof is in the glaring lack of denial.
Most people just claim to believe in the divinity and forget about the part of admiring and mimicking the values. Basically, missing the whole point.
They just wanna avoid Hell... So, they place themselves in Hell throughout their life.
