Now, the discussion is exactly where it needs to be-- the two religious zealots FIGHTING over who is right.
Carl Sagan on the Existence of God
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If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.” Philip *said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.
John 14: 7-10
For in Him, all the of Deity dwells in bodily form.
Colossians 2:9
If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.” Philip *said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.
John 14: 7-10
For in Him, all the of Deity dwells in bodily form.
Colossians 2:9
Jesus meant that he and his Father were united in thought and purpose not the same person . Jesus perfectly reflected Gods personality and qualities.
How many times did Jesus say he was sent to the earth BY HIS FATHER?
How do you explain this?
Matthew 14:28-You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.” If he was GOD why would he say this ?
Jesus did not claim to equal with God-
Philippians 2:5-Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human. 8 More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake. 9 For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground— 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Pretty sure we’re going to have to agree to disagree. I’ll catch you on the Football board I’m sure . We can both agree that we’re happy we get to have a somewhat normal football season .
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“Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.”
Matthew 14:28
2 Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2 then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind. 3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.
5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Philippians 2: 1-8 emphasis on verse 6
Bible Gateway passage: Philippians 2 - New International Version
Imitating Christ’s Humility - Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and...
I love it when people who earnestly read the perfect and divinely inspired word of God then proceed to argue about who is a true Christian and who is not.
Seems pretty clear our omniscient creator is a very poor communicator.
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Sorry I meant John 14:28 . My bad???
“Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.”
Matthew 14:28
2 Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2 then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind. 3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.
5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Philippians 2: 1-8 emphasis on verse 6
Bible Gateway passage: Philippians 2 - New International Version
Imitating Christ’s Humility - Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and...www.biblegateway.com
And, this is a fairly civil exchange. Imagne the hundreds of thousands who have literally slaughtered each other trying to convince the others that the way THEY worship, interpret Scripture, whatever, is RIGHT, and their adversaries are heretics! They BOTH HAVE THE SAME SAVIOR- one of the most benevolent, loving characters in human history- and, the followers are hell-bent on killing each other!
Catholics killing Protestants, Protestants killing Catholics... Sunni's and Shiites! All of it so they can get on God's "good side." And, then, to imagine a divine Creator that approves (rewards some and punishes others) based on all of this contrived shit.
And, to be clear, I "believe in God." But, my understanding, and characterization of God is MY OWN. I don't want followers and I don't intend to follow. I do find myself in more of an Eastern philosophy, if we're comparing it to what others are familiar with. However, I was born into, and raised around, fervent Protestantism. So, I have an appreciation for that step on my personal, spiritual ladder. There's a lot more than I know. And, I'm eager to find out as much as I can.
Humans have different takes on things. Look at politics. Even within the Republican party, there's all these different types of views.
Jehovas Witnesses are like a bizarre type of politics: way out of the mainstream.
You all seem like good-hearted people who are just confused over some poor translations made by some goat herders a few millennia ago.
I invite you all to the one true religion which has none of these issues. Everything is straightforward and clear.
May he touch you with his noodly appendage.
I invite you all to the one true religion which has none of these issues. Everything is straightforward and clear.
May he touch you with his noodly appendage.
You all seem like good-hearted people who are just confused over some poor translations made by some goat herders a few millennia ago.
I invite you all to the one true religion which has none of these issues. Everything is straightforward and clear.
May he touch you with his noodly appendage.
How clever and original.
Obviously, the flying spaghetti monster is a myth.
Jesus is not.
Blasphemy!
I hope one day he touches you with his noodly grace.
More projection!
I've never "left Jesus." Jesus never "left me."
I simply don't do it the "way" you do it. Spare me the feigned gesture.
Is that that spaghetti monster lol!?! Now that’s good stuff !You all seem like good-hearted people who are just confused over some poor translations made by some goat herders a few millennia ago.
I invite you all to the one true religion which has none of these issues. Everything is straightforward and clear.
May he touch you with his noodly appendage.
I wipe my ass with toilet paper worth more than a doctorate from Southern Evangelical Seminary. Haha
Flying Spaghetti Monster. Please use his full honorific. Or FSM if you need to be brief. All praise his noodly appendage. R'amen.
Isn’t there a caldron in there somewhere?
or a Strainer? Could have sworn that was in play too?
Thomas Aquinas is much smarter. Study this:
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aquinasonline.com
The concept of the Trinity didn't become official doctrine until 325 AD.
What was the central doctrine for the prior 3 centuries?
Smart, yes. Right, no.Thomas Aquinas is much smarter. Study this:
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Oh really? Does his work predict Global Warming?Thomas Aquinas is much smarter. Study this:
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This. The Trinity doctrine was not accepted by the church until the counsel of Nicea In 325ce i believe?
And only after Constantine did an 11th hour conversion to Christianity .
He single-handedly played the most major part in strong arming the attending bishops into signing the creed.
He did not do this from any study of the scriptures , only to prevent his empire from being religiously divided . Important to note that nowhere was the holy spirit discussed here . If that was an important part of the teaching why wasn’t it discussed at that time ?
So . . . if enough of us become pirates, we can reverse global warming?Oh really? Does his work predict Global Warming?
Worth a try.
Is it more bizarre than cannibalizing your god on a weekly basis so he will forgive you?
That's a very crude way to describe it.
Please read this:
Are Catholics Cannibals?
Miriam-Webster defines cannibalism as: 1. The usually ritualistic eating of human flesh by a human being.2. The eating of the flesh of an animal by another anim...
I know that Catholics aren't cannibals because they aren't eating Jesus. But thinking that a Priest magically transforms bread and wine into Jesus's body, blood, and soul seems odd to me. Why should I believe that? It seems much more likely that the bread is just bread and the wine is just wine and they weren't changed at all. Heck maybe the author's of the gospels were trying to develop a new communal tradition that could easily accepted by people who were familiar with the Sabbath and animal sacrifice.That's a very crude way to describe it.
Please read this:
Are Catholics Cannibals?
Miriam-Webster defines cannibalism as: 1. The usually ritualistic eating of human flesh by a human being.2. The eating of the flesh of an animal by another anim...www.catholic.com
Or, maybe... just maybe... it was a figurative ritual. Metaphor, allegory, not to be taken literally.
That's a very crude way to describe it.
Please read this:
Are Catholics Cannibals?
Miriam-Webster defines cannibalism as: 1. The usually ritualistic eating of human flesh by a human being.2. The eating of the flesh of an animal by another anim...
That is a really, really poor job of rationalization. Which is understandable, given the impossibility of claiming eating the literal flesh of Christ is not cannibalism.
Nothing about the church’s history leads me to suspect the folks who invented the ritual believed it was metaphorical. They really believed this stuff.
That literally means the bread and wine are, in fact, the physical body of Jesus; not a metaphor. The teaching is not that it is a metaphor, but that with a little hocus pocus the priest literally turns the bread and water into body and blood.
Sure, most Catholics now view it as metaphorical; but certainly not the leaders of the church.
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