Carl Sagan on the Existence of God
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Encore:
And, you're presumptuous, arrogant, and ignorant enough to believe that anyone who doesn't subscribe to your religion must be lacking in spiritual awareness and a slave to pointless existence?
Jesus was literate according to the Bible. His disciples were most likely not. Regardless, Jesus spoke in Aramaic, not Greek, and there is no evidence he ever wrote any of his teachings down.
You understand that globally, Christianity is growing at an amazing rate. Of course, keyboard warriors have nothing to do with this. God is working wonders overseas right now. For example, of all places despite tremendous challenges, Christianity is exploding in IRAN today! Better yet, these young Iranian Christians are being led by women and guess who they are praying for? Israel!
A miracle is taking place in 2021 on the other side of the planet! My Bible said this would happen and it comes with great hope to say that my God is able to turn an entire nation towards Him!
https://www.newsweek.com/irans-christian-boom-opinion-1603388
If someone doesn’t have faith that the Bible is the inspired word of God there is really not going to be any agreement.
I base my beliefs on that written word and believed it was divinely revealed to faithful men who wrote down Gods thoughts.
I’m not sure what else to say about it. I don’t have any human philosophy to throw at you to back up my beliefs .
I do know the Bible to be accurate both scientifically and prophetically.
beyond that I don’t have anything else to argue
Do you not realize how ignorant you've come across throughout this entire thread? Is this your idea of glorifying Jesus? I'm seriously asking.
I agree the gospels and other new testaments writings were done by the disciples and apostles and u are correct it does say they were ordinary and unlettered
Your Bible said Christianity would flourish in Iran in 2021? What about America?
First of all I don’t worship Jesus in the way you might. Many on here believe Jesus is God and I don’t believe that nor does the Bible support it.
second why do I come across as ignorant when I’m quoting things from the Bible?
These words that I am typing right now are ALL "God's thoughts!" Everything we are writing, they're all "God's thoughts!"
If they're NOT all God's thoughts, then God is just a figment of your imagination.
None of Jesus's disciples could have written in Greek. The writers of the Gospels relied exclusively on oral tradition and stories handed down.
Well, he picked a helluva time to decide to keep his abundance of literacy on the down-low.
Is defending the Bible ignorant?
Is providing scriptures to support belief ignorant?
I’m seriously asking you ?
How do you view Jesus and what do you believe the Bible teaches about his divinity?
So John relied on oral tradition to write down his personal experiences with Christ?
How bout Matthew?
I'm speaking exclusively of his reading of the Old Testament scriptures. He was obviously learned in Hebrew.
And, from what I have learned, they were "written" by multiple people, at different times. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are sort of "amalgams", or names chosen to refer to certain Gospels.
ETA:
I read the Gospels of Philip and Thomas and they were much more "enlightening" than the 4 in the NT.
LOL...facts. So Isaiah lied when he said it would be the Medes and that no one would ever again live there? And could you point to the verse in chapter 45...or 46...or 44...where Babylon is mentioned? Is there anywhere he puts Cyrus and Babylon together? He specifically cited Babylon in his earlier "prognostication" that was spectacularly wrong. TIA
The Gospel of John was written some seventy years after the crucifixion of Jesus. Matthew was also written decades later. In other words, they were written pseudonymously.
There was no "John." John wasn't a single person. Neither was Mark or Luke. They weren't actual people.
Dude, you really need to familiarize yourself with the scholarship of Scripture.
I believe Christ is the only begotten son of God.
I do not believe that he is part of a triune God.
I believe there is one true God he is name being Yahweh (Jehovah in the English translation)
Jesus Christ is his only begotten son and the holy spirit is Gods active force or power in action .
this has support from many scriptures :
Revelation 3:14-To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God
Colossians 1:15-To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God
now ask yourself- if Jesus was God, why does the Bible say he was created? If he was God this couldn’t be as we all know God is everlasting to everlasting.
Thoughts?
Depends on which gospel accounts you read. Obviously, John has a much different tenor than the synoptic gospels. There are a log of ambiguities and many contradictions in the gospels when compared to one another, particularly with the resurrection narrative.
For the record, I believe Jesus was divine and had a bodily resurrection.
Of all the NT gospels, I get the most... inspiration?... from John
From what you're typing-out on here, you're pretty ignorant when it comes to actual knowledge of how the Books of teh Bible were written, titled, compiled, and assembled, etc..
The author of The Gospel of John was not some guy named "John."
I believe that's accurate. I know very little about the other two. I'm pretty sure Thomas was written in the 2nd Century by Gnostics whom the Catholic Church deemed as heretics.
Hey black and gold just a question for you about that:
Who resurrected Jesus?
serious question
It was the apostle John and it was probably completed in Ephesus about 98 CE.
There’s a lot of people that can’t separate God from religion in this thread.
Could you provide a link to any serious scholar who actually believes that?
The Bible says numerous times, He will raise up His children. I would think Iran under the Ayotollah’s in the 20th and 21st centuries fits the bill for the perfect place to have a miraculous revival. It defies all logic and reasoning but it is indeed happening.
I’m a firm believer that the United States is not relevant in terms of future Bible prophecy & the end of days. I don’t see the US implied directly or indirectly anywhere in scripture in regards to end times prophecy. Others disagree with me I know.
Yes. Sure it does . Do you believe God resurrected Him or did God simply cease to exist for 3 days ? That’s how you would have to take it if you believe Jesus was God.
Probably.
All four Gospels have VERY different accounts of Jesus of Nazareth. There's nothing "wrong" with that, but it is interesting. And, the crucifixion is also interesting to me, especially in the first three Gospels. NONE of the disciples were anywhere near the actual event. The Apostles all hauled ass. I dunno where all the details came from for the accounts in the Gospels, but I guess that explains how the accounts are so different in each one.
