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Cassar AND Rasheed Granted 6th year
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Yep, and AAed at 197 just last season.
Shak didn't look right since about January, and he didn't walk off the mat normally after the Venz semi at Big Tens. People see Spencer win at less than 100% and think everyone can do it but as I have said on here many times, Spencer is a unicorn, and is the favorite in any tournament he enters from here until probably about 2033. Kind of the same with Yianni. That's not Shak. Very good wrestler, but not on that level (not not many are), and he needs things to go right (like stay pretty healthy) to win in big fields.
The bigger fallout should they both wrestle, I am not sold that even given a 6th year they will both return, is that it adds a year on the back end to Brooks, as he will redshirt. With Conel in the fold and healthy, it could add a year on the back end to Beard as well.
It basically means a lineup rollover of Shak-Conel-Cassar, right to Brooks-Beard-Nevills. It's a pretty loaded back end for the next handful of years, but again, I'm not sold that they're both going to want to come back.
Does Stoll look like a guy who's interested in yet another year of college wrestling? Kudos to your second point. Agree completely.
Stoll's knee looks done, not sure an extra year helps much.
Right... Wrestlers never get injured so I’m sure it was made up.
Is this true? I thought that PSU came to Carver out of conference in 13-14, and Iowa went to PSU for BJC dual in 14-15 also out of conference?Speaking of "ducking" (See what I did there?) when is Brands going to bring Iowa to PSU to wrestle? He owes PSU a home match.
I just checked the schedules for those years, and both years have 9 duals with BIG teams. I assume that 8 of them were scheduled by the BIG and the other was out of conference.
Edit: I just found where they increased the number of BIG duals to 9 in 14-15 season. It appears that we do owe a dual to PSU.
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Yes he did, and that might have been the last time he was healthy. He's not healthy right now and hasn't been for some time. Maybe I'm optimistic, but $$ is a senior next year, I'm hoping he get's to that potential that everyone keeps saying he has i. e Warner and Brands both say he has what it takes. Shak's health and Wilke's "hopeful potential" make me less concerned that I would otherwise be about shak getting a 6th year.
How do 6th years work for scholarship money? It seems like they would still count against the 9.9, and could put teams in a bind.
They do. The exceptions are in football where if you have to "retire" for injuries but stay in school, they still cover you but it doesn't count against their 85 total. If you are just hurt and get an extra season to participate, it counts the whole time even the year you are sitting out.
Come on, the situations are not REMOTELY close. Rasheed wrestled a short REDSHIRT season(this is VERY hard to gauge because he didn't wrestle until January[Franklin&Marshall Tourney] and then not again). His other season was again SHORTENED. He wrestled 5 matches that redshirt season and 6 that shortened season.
https://www.wrestlestat.com/wrestler/20305/rasheed-shakur/profile
To be even more specific, the shortened season was stopped Dec. 4th. That is an awful lot of time to possibly come back for March if he was truly needed. So, essentially, they are using 2 seasons that he wasn't going to wrestle Varsity ANYWAY to get him another year, even when he DID wrestle during those seasons.
As far as Cassar goes, he missed 2 FULL seasons, neither of which was clearly a redshirt season.
https://www.wrestlestat.com/wrestler/20299/cassar-anthony/profile
As I have said before, I don't ever want to see an injury stop someone's chances to wrestle in the postseason. Hell, I would like to see Suriano get his Freshman season back. However, Rasheed's case is as big of a stretch as I have seen and that INCLUDES Gravina..................
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I can only imagine Kirk Ferentz hearing this and muttering something about Drew Ott
This whole ducking a return Penn State dual is so freaking ridiculous.Speaking of "ducking" (See what I did there?
There a Smith interview out there this year where hes asked about getting Penn State in a dual annually. The answer something like ya but Cael is very difficult to schedule with. He has his scedule how he wants it and doesnt budge so it makes it extremely difficult.
So maybe you Lions can pull your head out of your asses on this topic and maybe realize your shinny domed golden boy coach just might be the problem on this one.
I would imagine someone has mentioned that he too missed a long period of time with injuries, but just in case......
Don’t see anyone note that based on what he has said recently, for me 50/50 that Cassar returns. Hope that makes you happier.
Welp I guess he’ll be stretching it into 2020
Your post seems to imply it is somehow personal. I am happy for Rasheed. I don't begrudge him the year. I just don't think it is deserved and I would say that NO MATTER who the wrestler is. I cannot think of a situation less deserving of a medical, where someone was granted one. Hell, even Gravina's was an injury during his Freshman year, granting him a FIFTH year, since he did not wrestle a single match the year before.
In the case of Rasheed, he will have wrestled in SIX different seasons. Also, it isn't like he wrestled 1 or 2 matches during any of those. He wrestled 5 in one and 6 in the other and the year with 6 doesn't even factor in how early he was shut down and the fact that the guy at his weight ended up winning NCAA's. His just IS NOT a case of him missing the post season due to an injury.
Please cite me one other that is even close.......
LOL, idiotic logic. I am talking about Iowa and you are talking about OSU.
The FACT remains, Iowa owes PSU a home match.
I think there is a little bit more to it than that. Didn't the B1G schedule 2 consecutive home duals for PSU against Iowa during that stretch? By that logic, Brands believed the one they scheduled on their own offset that.
Ya they do but im sick of you idiots saying this falls on the Brands when it doesnt. Your coach is extremely difficult to deal with when it comes to scheduling and I just gave you an example how.
One thing is a certainty that we can all agree on is that the BIG is a joke when it comes to scheduling wrestling. Iowa and PSU should be wrestling every year!
A big10 top 4 quad meet to start the season would be awesome.
I am not a nascar guy, but it really does a lot having their biggest event be the start of the season (Daytona)
No, but he's competed in 6 different seasons now. I thought that was the criteria you were looking for.
Narrative? My stance has NOTHING to do with injuries OR lack thereof. My stance is on the fact that he competed during FIVE seasons with mulitple matches in EACH. On top of that, the 2 years used are an OBVIOUS RS season and another where the probability is VERY HIGH that he wasn't going to be the guy ANYWAY.
I have STRENUOUSLY stated that I believe EVERYONE who clearly lost their post-season SOLELY due to injury, should get a Medical. However, in Rasheed's case that is VERY UNCLEAR......
Has he? https://www.wrestlestat.com/wrestler/20575/pagdilao-christian/profile
Is that profile inaccurate?
Edited to add: I forgot he was at MSU for a year. Yes, this is bad too, but he did lose 3 postseasons due to injury so that makes it more likely, but I agree that was a stretch as well.
Yes. He wrestled (while redshirting) at Michigan State the year prior.
https://thesundevils.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=8235
Also, let's get past the whole "narrative" thing where you think my stance is anti-PSU. It is NOT. If RayVon Foley wrestled a limited TF season while redshirting and then ended up battling for the starting spot 2 years later, before getting injured, with his replacement going on to win NCAA's, then wrestles two more seasons and applies for a Medical I would ABSOLUTELY believe he SHOULDN'T get it. But, that doesn't mean I wouldn't be hoping he does.
Honestly, I don't care if Rasheed got his and will be happy for him if he officially has. Because I think he doesn't deserve it doesn't mean I am conspiring against him or PSU for that matter........
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I didn't say anything about your narrative.
You asked a for an example that was "even close". I provided one that I think fits that description.
That's it.
Ok, thanks for the more civil reply. It certainly could be an issue with Cael. Neither of us really know the dialogue between Cael and Brands.
That's the good type of "out of the box thinking" we need more of to promote the sport!
One last thing, how messed up is it that Rasheed can get one for his scenario, but Suriano can't. There is NOTHING more clear than Suriano's injury costing him the season. But, because it was late in the season, he isn't eligible. Meanwhile, Rasheed can use a fuzzy redshirt season along with the other season to get another chance.
