CDC changes definition of vaccine and vaccination

[Finance85]

WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) raised eyebrows recently when they changed the definitions for “vaccine” and “vaccination” on their website, leading skeptics to question the motives behind the modification.

Previously, the phrase “vaccination” on the CDC’s website was defined as “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” However, that definition has now been changed to read as “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection to a specific disease.”


In addition, the term “vaccine” also received an update, going from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”

https://www.publishedreporter.com/2...vaccination-leading-skeptics-to-question-why/

There's an e-mail chain showing the change was made because the CDC doesn't want it's own definition to be used against itself. It's no longer about the science.

 

[Hawkeyenuts66]

Color me shocked.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

I would say the new definition is more accurate. I mean look at the flu shot. No one ever called it anything less than a vaccine before COVID but the flu shot was never terribly effective at producing total immunity, it's main benefit was that people who got the flu with it had much less severe cases than those who didn't get it.

That's all pre-COVID.

 

[onlyTheObvious]

Biden’s mandate from a couple months ago. Is it worded in such a way that makes it viable?

we all will need a shot or two more by the time the government gets around to putting teeth to it.

 

[Joes Place]

WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) raised eyebrows recently when they changed the definitions for “vaccine” and “vaccination” on their website, leading skeptics to question the motives behind the modification.

Previously, the phrase “vaccination” on the CDC’s website was defined as “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” However, that definition has now been changed to read as “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection to a specific disease.”

Considering MANY vaccines are not 100% foolproof, the amendment would seem to be more accurate.

 

[Joes Place]

I would say the new definition is more accurate. I mean look at the flu shot. No one ever called it anything less than a vaccine before COVID but the flu shot was never terribly effective at producing total immunity, it's main benefit was that people who got the flu with it had much less severe cases than those who didn't get it.

That's all pre-COVID.

EXACTLY

 

[Joes Place]

WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) raised eyebrows recently when they changed the definitions for “vaccine” and “vaccination” on their website, leading skeptics to question the motives behind the modification.

Previously, the phrase “vaccination” on the CDC’s website was defined as “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” However, that definition has now been changed to read as “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection to a specific disease.”


In addition, the term “vaccine” also received an update, going from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”

https://www.publishedreporter.com/2...vaccination-leading-skeptics-to-question-why/

There's an e-mail chain showing the change was made because the CDC doesn't want it's own definition to be used against itself. It's no longer about the science.

 

[whatsup13579er]

Vaccine Efficacy
HepB 98%
RV 98%
DTaP 98%
Hib 95%
PCV13 97%
IPV 99%
MMR 97%
VAR 98%

COVID 79% (and falling)
FLU 50-60%

 

[jamesvanderwulf]

When I got the polio vaccination I remember them saying " you'll still likely get polio, but it won't be as severe..."

 

[Finance85]

I would say the new definition is more accurate. I mean look at the flu shot. No one ever called it anything less than a vaccine before COVID but the flu shot was never terribly effective at producing total immunity, it's main benefit was that people who got the flu with it had much less severe cases than those who didn't get it.

That's all pre-COVID.

Actually the flu shot achieves immunity for the seasonal strain it's selected to fight.

 

[Titanhawk2]

None of them have I needed since the time I got them (which is so long ago I have no memory), I have never needed to prove I had them in order work or go out to eat, nor am I concerned about being around someone who has not received them.

 

[BelemNole]

I would say the new definition is more accurate. I mean look at the flu shot. No one ever called it anything less than a vaccine before COVID but the flu shot was never terribly effective at producing total immunity, it's main benefit was that people who got the flu with it had much less severe cases than those who didn't get it.

That's all pre-COVID.

Don't derail the circle jerk so early in the thread.

 

[Dr. Spaceman]

None of them have I needed since the time I got them (which is so long ago I have no memory), I have never needed to prove I had them in order work or go out to eat, nor am I concerned about being around someone who has not received them.

So you never went to school?

 

[Joes Place]

None of them have I needed since the time I got them

And perhaps after a couple Covid boosters, it'll be the same.

Since Covid is so new, we don't know yet.

 

[Joes Place]

Vaccine Efficacy
HepB 98% - AFTER 2 BOOSTER SHOTS
RV 98%
DTaP 98% - AFTER 4 BOOSTER SHOTS
Hib 95% - AFTER 3 BOOSTER SHOTS
PCV13 97% - AFTER 3 BOOSTER SHOTS
IPV 99% - AFTER 3 BOOSTER SHOTS
MMR 97%
VAR 98%

COVID 79% - AFTER ONLY 2 DOSES
FLU 50-60%

FIFY

 

[whatsup13579er]

FIFY

In 20 years from now, how many covid booster shots will we have had? Flu shot efficacy is not dependent on how many shots you get. Covid will likely be the same.

 

[Sooner-Be-Dead]

When did the OP go full Shank_Hawk?

 

[IAHawk2011]

Actually the flu shot achieves immunity for the seasonal strain it's selected to fight.

The COVID vaccine held up pretty well against the strain it was originally designed to fight, no?

 

[z_ape]

WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) raised eyebrows recently when they changed the definitions for “vaccine” and “vaccination” on their website, leading skeptics to question the motives behind the modification.

Previously, the phrase “vaccination” on the CDC’s website was defined as “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” However, that definition has now been changed to read as “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection to a specific disease.”


In addition, the term “vaccine” also received an update, going from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”

https://www.publishedreporter.com/2...vaccination-leading-skeptics-to-question-why/

There's an e-mail chain showing the change was made because the CDC doesn't want it's own definition to be used against itself. It's no longer about the science.

That's more in line with what actually does... so it makes sense to me. What am I missing?

 

[Finance85]

That's more in line with what actually does... so it makes sense to me. What am I missing?

So you change the definition to fit how effective it is? That's science? The fact that immunity wanes so quickly should at least be a concern for anyone who gives it a thought.

Then you read the emails and see the definition was changed to address the public, not for a good scientific reason. This isn't some conspiracy theory. It's just incredible that people no longer question anything even when there's a paper trail.

 

[artradley]

So you never went to school?

Story checks out.

 

[DFSNOLE]

If this is the right's talking point today, they're running out of material.

 

[Tfxchawk]

I agree Finance that this is bad but willl also not getting the vaccine is worse.

The thing people leave out of this is companies like Pfizer aren't done researching or improving the Covid vaccine. That is ongoing. It will get better and better as they refine how it works based on the mountains of feedback and data they are receiving through all this.

 

[FormerlyCyberCy]

When I got the polio vaccination I remember them saying " you'll still likely get polio, but it won't be as severe..."

Polio doesn’t infect the sinuses or throat, so the superficial protection missing in the vaccine isn’t an issue.

 

[Joes Place]

So you change the definition to fit how effective it is?

You amend the definition to how MOST vaccines work.

DId you (again) forget how many "boosters" you got as a child?

 

[Joes Place]

In 20 years from now, how many covid booster shots will we have had?

No one knows.

It's why it is called the "novel coronavirus".

Researchers are already working on both "universal" influenza AND coronavirus vaccines, at least one of which is already in clinical trials.

FWIW, I get a tetanus "booster" about every 10 years. No idea "how many" of those I'll need, either. Depends on how old I get.

 

[BioHawk]

Looks to me like it is a far more accurate explanation now and was a necessary change.

 

[BioHawk]

So you change the definition to fit how effective it is? That's science? The fact that immunity wanes so quickly should at least be a concern for anyone who gives it a thought.

Then you read the emails and see the definition was changed to address the public, not for a good scientific reason. This isn't some conspiracy theory. It's just incredible that people no longer question anything even when there's a paper trail.

You change the definition to reflect the reality of the data and to prevent confusion with the public. It's a change that probably should have happened decades ago but no one cared because there wasn't a worldwide pandemic to worry about.

 

[Joes Place]

It's a change that probably should have happened decades ago but no one cared because there wasn't a worldwide pandemic to worry about an online antivaccination campaign supported by one major political party's propaganda wing.

FIFY

 

[LetsGoHawks83]

Yea.... Folks are just looking for something to get pissed at the CDC. This seems like a nothing burger. Description lines up more closely the what vaccines do.

 

[Joes Place]

Yea.... Folks are just looking for something to get pissed at the CDC. This seems like a nothing burger. Description lines up more closely the what vaccines do.

Or, perhaps more accurately, "how vaccines actually work in real life".

 

[BioHawk]

Why don't you STFU?

Clown.

So do you want to get back to normal or do you want to spend the next 10 years doing this? Because you don't get to have it both ways.

 

[Joes Place]

So do you want to get back to normal or do you want to spend the next 10 years doing this? Because you don't get to have it both ways.

His post is literally showing we've had DECADES of vaccine requirements. Proving my point.

 

[brownd7949hawks]

This is such a dumb point to make. How many 4-6 years olds choose to be vaccinated?

 

[Dr. Spaceman]

This is such a dumb point to make. How many 4-6 years olds choose to be vaccinated?

How many 4-6 year olds choose to go to the dentist?

 

[Joes Place]

How many 4-6 year olds choose to go to the dentist?

Or "choose to eat their vegetables"?? 🤣

 

[BioHawk]

This is such a dumb point to make. How many 4-6 years olds choose to be vaccinated?

There's a reason they are called minors and aren't allowed to make very many decisions for themselves until they turn 18.

 

[brownd7949hawks]

How many 4-6 year olds choose to go to the dentist?

Thats the point. They don’t. So making a stupid meme about small kids taking other vaccinations willingly and comparing it to adults deciding is dumb.