CDC says to expect coronavirus to spread across US
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I asked that you give us the benefit of your expertise in explaining what should be America’s response to this epidemic. You punted.
short of closing are borders and stopping international travel, pretty much nothing (other than what I have said is current going on)
And also all of those who had it, thought it was a regular flu like bug and got better. The simple fact is we do not know so we should be taking an abundance of caution with the numbers we do have showing 2-3% mortality rate for those who have caught it and a death to recovered index of around 9% in China (the only large number sample we have).
We just don't know where thing is going to shake out but it appears to be a real issue and now we are in slow it down measures as it has already gone global to a certain extent.
NONE of what you said is "going on".
There is no "local preparation"; no top-down coordination, because there is no one in the WH running anything.
Yikes
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-province-officials-admit-report-claims.html
Coronavirus outbreak is 52 TIMES worse in one Chinese province than officials admit as local authorities seek to hide the true number of people infected, report claims
The health crisis in Shandong Province is up to 52 times worse than officials have admitted, a report revealed today.
Between February 9 and 23, the daily infection figure in the region greatly exceeded the official data, with the margin ranging from 1.36 to 52 times, the article said.
The outlet claimed to have obtained internal documents from the Shandong Centers for Disease Prevention and Control (CDC).
Although the regional government claimed that there were a total of 755 patients in the province as of yesterday, the leaked papers showed that 1,992 people had tested positive by February 23.
And on February 22, a total of 61 patients - instead of the officially stated four - were diagnosed with the deadly disease.
While Beijing claims that the number of cases outside Hubei has been decreasing to single digits in the past week, Shandong Province alone confirmed 274 new sufferers on February 20, the article said.
MailOnline cannot independently verify the authenticity of the claims.
The news comes after a worrying outbreak was detected inside a prison in Shandong.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-province-officials-admit-report-claims.html
Coronavirus outbreak is 52 TIMES worse in one Chinese province than officials admit as local authorities seek to hide the true number of people infected, report claims
- Daily figure in Shandong has been up to 52 times the official toll, it is said
- Shocking finding was revealed to a US-based newspaper by local officials
- Comes after a worrying outbreak was detected inside a prison in the area
- Mike Pompeo yesterday accused China of covering up the epidemic scale
- The virus has killed at least 2,771 people and infected over 81,400 globally
The health crisis in Shandong Province is up to 52 times worse than officials have admitted, a report revealed today.
Between February 9 and 23, the daily infection figure in the region greatly exceeded the official data, with the margin ranging from 1.36 to 52 times, the article said.
The outlet claimed to have obtained internal documents from the Shandong Centers for Disease Prevention and Control (CDC).
Although the regional government claimed that there were a total of 755 patients in the province as of yesterday, the leaked papers showed that 1,992 people had tested positive by February 23.
And on February 22, a total of 61 patients - instead of the officially stated four - were diagnosed with the deadly disease.
While Beijing claims that the number of cases outside Hubei has been decreasing to single digits in the past week, Shandong Province alone confirmed 274 new sufferers on February 20, the article said.
MailOnline cannot independently verify the authenticity of the claims.
The news comes after a worrying outbreak was detected inside a prison in Shandong.
As Trump administration officials prepared for a press conference Wednesday evening about the global crisis, an early rally on Wall Street evaporated. Although China’s new infections have slowed, the virus has now appeared on six continents — bringing the case total above 81,000 and leaving around 2,700 dead.
And for the first time, the number of cases globally are greater than those in China. (pretty sure China has the most overall - they are referring to new cases here)
Italy, which with over 300 cases has the third largest cluster of new illnesses, reported a doubling in new cases overnight. Perhaps more worrisome was an outbreak in Germany — Europe’s largest economy — where the health minister warned the government was no longer able to track new infections.
"We are at the beginning of a coronavirus epidemic in Germany,” Jens Spahn told reporters.
While President Donald Trump has tweeted his assurances that the outbreak is under control, administration health officials have sent conflicting messages. Representatives from the Centers for Disease Control and the Food and Drug Administration have issued dire warnings about the U.S. being “on the cusp” of a pandemic.
“I don’t think we are prepared to deal with the kind of restrictions that China placed on many of its citizens,” University of Houston law professor Seth Chandler told Yahoo Finance in an interview.
And for the first time, the number of cases globally are greater than those in China. (pretty sure China has the most overall - they are referring to new cases here)
Italy, which with over 300 cases has the third largest cluster of new illnesses, reported a doubling in new cases overnight. Perhaps more worrisome was an outbreak in Germany — Europe’s largest economy — where the health minister warned the government was no longer able to track new infections.
"We are at the beginning of a coronavirus epidemic in Germany,” Jens Spahn told reporters.
While President Donald Trump has tweeted his assurances that the outbreak is under control, administration health officials have sent conflicting messages. Representatives from the Centers for Disease Control and the Food and Drug Administration have issued dire warnings about the U.S. being “on the cusp” of a pandemic.
“I don’t think we are prepared to deal with the kind of restrictions that China placed on many of its citizens,” University of Houston law professor Seth Chandler told Yahoo Finance in an interview.
Germans are such Drama Queens, Amirite?
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coro...breaks-pop-up-around-the-world-201926500.html
Meanwhile, Brazil reported its first positive case, marking the first instance in Latin America.
How will anyone know if there is an outbreak if hospitals aren't testing for the virus? I read there have only been 426 test in the US so far. That doesn't sound like they are prepared in the least.
You realize 15k sweaty Trumpers likely has the same water displacement as 30k normal people.
If the worst that is going to happen is a recession (your own words) then we very much should be conservative and lock things down tight.
I realize the virus is here and needs to be dealt with but if you don't believe that allowing more infected people to freely travel into our country doesn't complicates things and make the situation worse....you're not being realistic.
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If China isn't in a position to lend us the money to combat the coming pandemic, how will we pay for it?
Well, if nothing else @Joes Place will have some job security!
The whole notion of "it hasn't happened yet" is such a stunning and ever present approach some people have to potential issues. And no, it doesn't mean panic, it means plan and think ahead. Not the strength of some individuals.
The whole notion of "it hasn't happened yet" is such a stunning and ever present approach some people have to potential issues. And no, it doesn't mean panic, it means plan and think ahead. Not the strength of some individuals.
Indications are that, as noted before, roughly 80% of people may just get a mild to bad cold from this.
But if mortality is still 2-3%, that means of the last 20% (i.e. if YOU or someone YOU KNOW is in that risk category), mortality will be as high as 10-20% (up to 1 in 5 people of that 20% category).
So, who is likely to be in that 20% risk category?
Probably means if you're also in the healthy category and don't interact with anyone in the risk categories, then the affects on you, personally, may be mostly irrelevant.
It's no slam dunk, of course, as there's not confirmatory data that ALL the deaths are from someone in that 20% group. Sure would be nice if we had someone running a Pandemic Rapid Response Group who could coordinate sourcing this info and conveying to the American public, though...
But if mortality is still 2-3%, that means of the last 20% (i.e. if YOU or someone YOU KNOW is in that risk category), mortality will be as high as 10-20% (up to 1 in 5 people of that 20% category).
So, who is likely to be in that 20% risk category?
- Elderly
- People with respiratory conditions like asthma, emphysema or silicosis (that's you, coal miners)
- People who are obese and in very poor physical shape
- Diabetics (noted as a higher risk group already)
- Smokers (China noted higher mortality in adult men as compared to women, and doctors are surmising this is because most of them smoke)
- Immuno-compromised people; perhaps those onHIV meds, organ transplant recipients on immunosuppressants, cancer patients, etc
Probably means if you're also in the healthy category and don't interact with anyone in the risk categories, then the affects on you, personally, may be mostly irrelevant.
It's no slam dunk, of course, as there's not confirmatory data that ALL the deaths are from someone in that 20% group. Sure would be nice if we had someone running a Pandemic Rapid Response Group who could coordinate sourcing this info and conveying to the American public, though...
If only everyone had some form of way to get basic medical care. If only......
Plan to home school your kids for the next year or so.
It's beginning to look like the COVID-19 pandemic falls in that category.
How serious it will be is a different question, but it's looking serious enough already.
It could mutate to become more or less deadly, more or less transmissible. Probably better to plan for the worse outcomes than the better ones.
There are things that haven't happened yet that are near certainties.
It's beginning to look like the COVID-19 pandemic falls in that category.
How serious it will be is a different question, but it's looking serious enough already.
It could mutate to become more or less deadly, more or less transmissible. Probably better to plan for the worse outcomes than the better ones.
Hell no. 2 kids, wife and I. A year of home schooling would lead to a 50% homicide rate. I would rather gamble on the 2% carona mortality rate.
What a great way to thin the herd, and cut the costs of entitlements and safety net programs.
Add to that that it gives the government justification to declare widespread, long-term autocratic measures, and it's a GOP wet dream.
Not that I'm theorizing a conspiracy, of course.
CDC is STILL WAITING on $2.5B in funding to initiate some of the activities that needed to happen 4 weeks ago. But Trump cut their funding already AND response programs.
So, yeah, I'm concerned about it. Because we're not "out in front", we're lollygagging while Trump claims everything's contained.
No. They didn't. CDC is waiting for funding to be approved to initiate things that should have been happening 4 weeks ago.
List what Trump says they've been doing; because there is STILL NO Pandemic Response Team, and Mike Pence is woefully unqualified to run any of it.
"Mike Pence" should have been "working on it" >4 weeks ago.
It involves science.
There's no place for that in the Trump admin or budget.
Unless, of course, it's Space Force science, or fossil fuel extraction science, or propaganda science.
what’s wrong with this?
I wish every hosp had the test but what makes you think 426 tests aren’t enough?
this will be a problem especially if India gets hit hard. Look for shortages and price gouging.
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