Chad Leistikow throws appropriate shade at Carver crowds
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Maybe kick the donors out of the close lots and give those spaces to those over 60. I love the womens games and parking in dental lot. I Gave up men’s tickets, as who wants to walk from the west lot in the winter. Just my opinion and why we quit going
My god calm down. A couple comments about Riley mulvey at the end of a game thread and this guy thinks guys who spend hours a week on this board dont enjoy the actual game.
Iowa with a healthy Keegan Murray would not have been an underdog against Providence.
LOL. "Our" attendance. How many games have you attended since McC has coached here?
Iowa's performance has been top 25 most of the past 10 years. When is the last time Iowa was top 25 in attendance?
On average, we have been ranked much higher in attendance than we have in performance over the past ten years that are under discussion.
2012 #31 att. Unranked
2013 #21 att. Unranked
2014 #17 att. Unranked, first round loss (not top 32)
2015 #20 att. Unranked
2016 #19 att. #25 last poll, second round loss (top 32)
2017 #23 att. Unranked
2018 #28 att. Unranked
2019 #23 att. Unranked
2020 #27 att. #25 last poll, no NCAAs due to COVID
2021 COVID #8 last poll, second round loss (top 32)
2022 #27 att. #16 last poll, first round loss (not top 32)
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Fran is 6/11 in making the NCAA tournament (soon to be 7-12), and has them going year after year right now. Very good.
Fran just brought home the BIG conference tournament championship. Very good.
No regular season conference titles, not gonna hold that against Fran but doesn’t help.
They lost as a 5 seed last year and has never made a S16. Got boatraced a few times in the NCAA tournament. Poor to very poor.
They play a fun brand of bball, have had some superstars, developed NBA talent, all very good.
Overall a good ambassador to UI and the program.
He’s checking almost all the boxes.
Fran just brought home the BIG conference tournament championship. Very good.
No regular season conference titles, not gonna hold that against Fran but doesn’t help.
They lost as a 5 seed last year and has never made a S16. Got boatraced a few times in the NCAA tournament. Poor to very poor.
They play a fun brand of bball, have had some superstars, developed NBA talent, all very good.
Overall a good ambassador to UI and the program.
He’s checking almost all the boxes.
You had to go back five years to prove your lie? Well played
Unfortunately, they don’t rank teams 1-32 after the first games of the NCAA tournament.
Which also begs the question how you came up with this: 2021 #27 att. #8 last poll, second round loss (top 32) ???
By this logic, 2014 was a play in game loss so Iowa’s ranking would be 65-68th. 🙄
Going off this and previous discussion. Sorry you can't keep up with the conversation.
What is a lie? Facts speak for themselves. Reading comprehension is a good thing.
I am looking at Iowa men's basketball rankings vs Iowa men's basketball attendance rankings. WTF are you going off? Have you even looked at the schools with better attendance numbers than Iowa?
Everything I posted was from the NCAA attendance website (linked below).
The rankings were where we finished up each year. The facts speak for themselves.
NCAA Basketball Attendance Rankings
I can tell you that his numbers are off, that’s for sure. He’s using the year the season started in for attendance and the year it ended in for rankings. (ie: 2020) He has “2020 COVID #25 last poll, no NCAAs”. 2019-20 did have attendance and Iowa was 27th while finishing ranked 25th. 2020-21 did not have attendance, but it says Iowa had the 27th ranked attendance and finished ranked 8th.
Sorry, was off one year. Numbers corrected in my post. Point stands that we've been higher ranked in attendance vs. performance over the past 10 years.
No, your point does not stand because the last time it happened was four seasons ago.
That would be like me saying Iowa is a top 10 team because they finished 8th (AP) in 2021.
Then again, I’m having a discussion with someone who thinks a team that loses their opening round game of the NCAA Tournament finishes ranked between 33-64th.
I'm a person who thinks that a team who loses their first round game is not a top 32 team. Yes, that is correct. You are what your record says you are.
We need more NCAA success (Sweet 16 minimum). That will bring fans.
It hasn't happened in a long, long time, therefore no fans.
Think his "complaint" comment was directed at the people who do come-as in no complaint about them. It would be good to know the number of the Kinnick crowd live within an hour of CHA.
Someone above mentioned the cost. I'm pretty confident there are more people that can afford to attend every game than CHA could hold living within an hour of CHA.
Iowa is a football state, but the CHA crowds are far too small. Location is part of the problem. Maybe tear down everything across from the Courthouse, or maybe south of the Courthouse. Build some very swanky/trendy/postmodern arena as part of downtown. Make it cool and trendy. Have some club rooms where over 21 can mingle and purchase a limited amount of alcohol. Throw in some fast-food venders and maybe a sit-down restaurant (could be another club-I think that would provide a down grade construction layout so there could be like four different entrances on the different sides of the building and two concourses. Make it big and bright, surely a huge selling point for recruiting I'd think.
It seems if our goal is for basketball to become part of a night on the town the arena would be better placed within walking distance of the town in which people are making a night. It could also provide some revenue by hosting acts playing the big rooms and the odd one-week, or even one day, events like a bull riding tournament. Don't laugh, bull riding sells out.
The University and the City should view such a venture with enthusiasm.
Someone above mentioned the cost. I'm pretty confident there are more people that can afford to attend every game than CHA could hold living within an hour of CHA.
Iowa is a football state, but the CHA crowds are far too small. Location is part of the problem. Maybe tear down everything across from the Courthouse, or maybe south of the Courthouse. Build some very swanky/trendy/postmodern arena as part of downtown. Make it cool and trendy. Have some club rooms where over 21 can mingle and purchase a limited amount of alcohol. Throw in some fast-food venders and maybe a sit-down restaurant (could be another club-I think that would provide a down grade construction layout so there could be like four different entrances on the different sides of the building and two concourses. Make it big and bright, surely a huge selling point for recruiting I'd think.
It seems if our goal is for basketball to become part of a night on the town the arena would be better placed within walking distance of the town in which people are making a night. It could also provide some revenue by hosting acts playing the big rooms and the odd one-week, or even one day, events like a bull riding tournament. Don't laugh, bull riding sells out.
The University and the City should view such a venture with enthusiasm.
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While I know everyone is going to bring up every negative possible now, this is 100^ correct. Again, part of the allure of Kinnick is the tailgating, the drinking, making a day of it and being with friends. Of course every game is also a Saturday. Carver is just Carver. You go to a game, fight traffic and go home. I think you’d still have some weeknight problems playing the Omaha’s of the world, but so does everyone. Deplorable, you and I don’t agree much but I’m 100% with you on this.
Yes, that makes sense. St Peters (22-12) who finished 2nd in the MAAC regular season ranks 5-8th to end the year.
Losses to:
VCU
Siena X2
Canisius X2
Iona X2
Rider
Stony Brook
They’re the 5th best team in the country because as you say “you are what your record says you are.” 😂 😂 😂
I didn’t realize that you had no idea how rankings work. If I realized that I was responding to someone this ignorant on CBB rankings, I would have just moved on. No wonder that you think attendance rankings are better than season’s end rankings.
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The numbers are what they are.
Point still stands that if the team won more in the tournament, the attendance would be better.
The last two years were big chances to do things in the tournament as a 2 and 5 seed. Our wings and big men just don’t get a lot of help in the big games.
Ask Kentucky fans if their season is judged by one game in the tournament. It may not be fair, but it is what it is. I’ve got buddies that don’t consider it a successful season if they don’t reach the elite 8.
I’m just saying a lot of places you are judged by one game in the tournament. Not as much at iowa. It shouldn’t be like that, all coming down to one game, but at a lot of places it does.
The expectations of fans have changed, and not for the better. I would guess it has to do with the media but it is crazy.
In basketball it used to be a successful season if you made the tournament, now, as we have seen in the thread, you have to make the second weekend to be considered a successful season. That means 16 teams were successful the other 250+ failed.
Football is the same. A bowl game basically defined a successful season, especially a win. Now, for the most part you have to make the CFP. This may stretch to going to a NY6 bowl. This again means 16 teams had a successful season, the rest failed.
We even saw people saying the Iowa field hockey team failed because they only made the elite 8. In what world is being a top 10 team not successful?
In basketball it used to be a successful season if you made the tournament, now, as we have seen in the thread, you have to make the second weekend to be considered a successful season. That means 16 teams were successful the other 250+ failed.
Football is the same. A bowl game basically defined a successful season, especially a win. Now, for the most part you have to make the CFP. This may stretch to going to a NY6 bowl. This again means 16 teams had a successful season, the rest failed.
We even saw people saying the Iowa field hockey team failed because they only made the elite 8. In what world is being a top 10 team not successful?
Building an on-campus 10,500 seat arena gets my vote.
It’s no longer about seating capacity, tv revenue will cover the reduction in ticket sales.
I think a lot of it has to do with seeding in the tourney and hype. Iowa got trounced by a 7 seeded in Oregon as the 2 seed. Last season, Iowa was a trendy final four pick, even as a five seed and lost first round. That stuff doesn’t help with perception
So you don't think recruiting would be better if people showed up?
I'm a casual fan. I'm a UNI Panther first, and we go to several games up there each year. But the spouse is a Hawkeye, we live in town fairly close to Carver and go to several Iowa Men's and Women's basketball games each year.
Personally, I have never warmed up to the current Iowa coaching staff the way I have to others, and I get the sense many Hawkeye-first fans feel the same. I think Fran is a good coach, and he's obviously more successful that the previous coach, more honorable than the one before that... But his style just isn't for me. It's not a regional thing - I grew up watching Hawkeye basketball under Raveling. And even though Davis was from Wisconsin, he had coached on both coasts prior to Iowa. He's just not my cup of tea and probably never will be.
Personally, I have never warmed up to the current Iowa coaching staff the way I have to others, and I get the sense many Hawkeye-first fans feel the same. I think Fran is a good coach, and he's obviously more successful that the previous coach, more honorable than the one before that... But his style just isn't for me. It's not a regional thing - I grew up watching Hawkeye basketball under Raveling. And even though Davis was from Wisconsin, he had coached on both coasts prior to Iowa. He's just not my cup of tea and probably never will be.
Sorry brother, but I’m getting a bit annoyed with this counterpoint/straw man argument - also made by others, so not signaling you out.
The people upset about not making it to the S16 (including myself) are upset because it is TOO LONG between trips. NO ONE is saying the season itself isn’t successful because of not making it.
NO ONE is claiming we should make the S16 every year or even every other year, but I think an acceptable expectation for an elite program (consistent T25) like Iowa is to make it once every 3-5 years.
But to go back to a point being made here, it's self-defeating behavior to not attend/support the program because they aren't fulfilling "your" Sweet 16 expectations.
Poor support means (likely) worse recruiting and less likelihood of winning at Carver (to some marginal degree), which means less likely to make the Sweet 16. Some of the fans in this thread sound like front-runners ("I will not attend unless and until the Hawks are one of the best teams in the country and make the Sweet 16").
I started as a fan during Lute. Went to Iowa and attended all the home games under Raveling, including trips to Utah and Minnesota for the NCAA tournament games. Moved away, paced the floor clutching the radio during many Tom Davis era games. Suffered through Alfraud and that depressed guy after him, like the rest.
I love Fran's style and thoroughly enjoy watching the teams he puts together. I'm also a fan him of playing lots of guys simply because that running pressing style can sometimes simply wear the other team out. I love his offense first approach and tinkering with position-less basketball etc. So I'm old but I try not think old. I also drink plenty of tea. I would attend every home game if I didn't live so far away, and would regularly piss off the old sit-down guys.
