CJ Fredrick Highlights
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It's not THAT they transferred. It's that they transferred to smaller, non P5 programs and can't make a dent in the stat sheet. Which means they were never BIG quality players.
Lacking a true ball-handler has obviously killed this team, but our post defense, especially our help-side post defense has been plain bad. I have been upset with this year’s team and attribute a lot of it to Fran. However, while the team under-performed in many eyes. It is undeniable that the 2015-2016 Hawkeyes had great defensive guard play and a lot of height in the front court. These teams valued possessions and rebounded exceptionally well. They obviously had their missteps and short comings because of depth issues and lack of scoring options. But nonetheless a Fran lead team was disciplined. Hopefully as our players get older and watch other successful teams, they will realize what’s most likely leads to success. Next year we will add a probable ball dominant ball handler in Weiskamp. While I remain tentative to proclaim significant contributions from Joe. He will hopefully provide a boost at both ends of the floor. The maturation and rejuvenation of McCaffery should imbue the team with a pass first mentality, something this team has shown flashes of. Dailey and Moss will only get better. Moss needs to improve his ball handling significantly if he wants to be a consistent scorer. Dailey has all the tools and has shown real promise, it will be interesting to see how the 3 guard positions are divided. I think we see the end of Nunge at the 3. I believe Kriener will make a push past Pemsl. I think more than likely we see a Transfer or a sport change (Ahmad) in the post position group. Hopefully Cook will start playing defense in the first half. He obviously is trying to save his energy but the team feeds off their best players hustle plays. He needs to make them early. He truly could be the most dominant driver in the country before his time is done here.
Point is we're 2nd to last in conference because of this type of recruiting! Thats the point. Der.....
Right. Every team fills up its roster with quality players. They only leave for more playing time, and always find great success at lower schools.
What??? I mean, what?? Tyler cook? Most dominant driver in the country? Is he an excellent golfer?
Most big ten transfers dont end up at places like libscom NW state averaging 4 pts.
By this time next time year. I would proffer that he will be an elite one on one player. If you look at size, quickness, and jumping ability. I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone better than cook. Teams have refused to play him one on one. Most teams who haven’t, have struggled mightily.
The point is look at where Iowa's transfers are going. Not to other power 5s or even close. Its horrible recruiting, and for every aaron white there's 4 that blow up in frans face. Msybe
The point is look at where Iowa's transfers are going. Not to other power 5s or even close. Its horrible recruiting, and for every aaron white there's 4 that blow up in frans face. Maybe 6
LOL, i would suggest watching another basketball game besides iowa. And when doing that pay attention to the other team.
Okay, I have made the challenge.
Show me another 250 pound freak who can handle the ball and dunk like Cook.
I do watch a lot of basketball and rarely see body types like Cook’s. So name one or two from any conference. Because you make this seem like a preposterous claim.
Show me another 250 pound freak who can handle the ball and dunk like Cook.
I do watch a lot of basketball and rarely see body types like Cook’s. So name one or two from any conference. Because you make this seem like a preposterous claim.
To some degree, I would say so. Without going team by team and looking at each situation. I'm not disagreeing with you. Just correcting what appeared to be a misunderstanding.
" He truly could be the most dominant driver in the country before his time is done here."
You didnt claim best 250 lb freak. You claimed best driver in the country. Yes, thats preposterous, lol
There is no better requisite to being an elite driver than being quicker than the players that defend you. Post players can not defend Cook, period. Hence, he can be the most dominant driver in the game. It will definitely require him to improve his touch but he has the arms and the legs to do it.
Well any guy under 7 feet better be able to shoot past 15 feet if you want to get looked at by the NBA. Tyler has shown very little consistency with shots outside of five feet. Regardless, he will still get a look at the NBA. Whether that means being drafted 20th or late second round will depend on whether or not he has the ability to shoot. He has improved his free throw though.
I'm sure you could point to countless college forwards who were dominant college players but didn't fit the NBA mold.
I did some research. I took a look at the 2014 D-1 transfer list and picked out a handful of players that went from a P5 program to a much lower tier program and most of the ones I looked at tripled their ppg output at the lower tier program.
Couldn't tell you the last time the best "driver" in all of college basketball wasn't on draft boards, or drafted, early in their career. Why? Because its never happened
Did I say right now? He was at time's dominant his freshman year and has been dominant for the greater part of this year. I will remember this thread a year from now. It will be interesting to see his output. He averages 15 a game now, almost entirely in the paint. Where do you see his limitations?
Almost entirely in the paint: from backing people down. He gets no where near the majority of his points from "driving" past people. On cuts, sure. On ball rotations where he has a 2 or 3 dribble start. Sure. But breaking people down off the dribble, or driving, he is nowhere near best in the country. Not even the big ten.
So lets see this info then.
I would be shocked if most big ten transfers end up at low majors and average 4pts a game.
That's fair, I was considering his back down and spin move as part of his ability to drive. More of "driving" as an ability to get to the hole in an iso scenario. I think in Iso situations with larger post players he does have the ability to break them down but you're right he doesn't have the handles to break down a 3 guard, but he would have the size to use his spin move and backdown. I now see where I was being confusing.
Sure, lots of transfers in D1. In Fran's case, his guys go to obscure programs and make 0 impact. Add to this Fran doesn't use the transfer "in" piece to help his team and you have a textbook case of poor evaluations + inability to manage a roster. I understand no coach is going hit the mark with every offer, so go get a juco or graduate transfer..
Unfortunately, your own opinion sucks. Its not unreasonable to hold Fran to a higher standard or at least the standard we wanted from Dr Tom. Fran is on his eighth(?) season at Iowa and the team still refuses to play defense. We still don't have a break down the defense PG but we go up against one virtually every game, esp. against mid major schools so there's no excuse for Fran not to have one. I like Fran overall but he's actually regressed as coach and its reflected in his recruiting and the team's performance. I agree that Fran has built up enough cache not to be fired after this season but if next season is more of the same, he absolutely should be sent packing. Right now Fran's stubborness has left Iowa in the lerch athletically and guard wise. Its been a perfect storm of misfortune for Connor who I think would do fine in the B1G and its really hurt us because Williams bailing at the last minute depleted our guard depth, even though he was basically a bust. But he was a warm body. I just hope Wieskamp's career isn't wasted by Fran trying to force him to play PF or something else ridiculous like he's trying with poor Nunge.
I predict Mcbooger will have a short, contentious tenure on this board.
The record speaks for itself. I am not expecting big ten championships or sweet 16 appearances, but it would be nice to see some players develop and turn into that junior / senior-laden team that plays salty D and doesn't commit 20 turnovers. With his low retention rate on multiple classes, we are essentially rebuilding in year 8 because guys like Uhl, Ellingson, Wagner, Pemsl, Kriener and to an extent Baer, are the same or worse than 1 year ago.
Dailey is a perfect example of what I outlined in my previous post on roster mismanagement. It doesn't take a recruiting expert to see Dailey is on another level athletically, but he rode the pine last year while Uhl, Ellingson, and Williams played. Now Williams is gone, Uhl does not play and you basically can't play Ellingson if ball handling is involved. Where would Dailey be this season if he got 25% of the minutes these guys got last year? Now it's "Dailey is learning and adjusting to his expanded role."
Dailey is a perfect example of what I outlined in my previous post on roster mismanagement. It doesn't take a recruiting expert to see Dailey is on another level athletically, but he rode the pine last year while Uhl, Ellingson, and Williams played. Now Williams is gone, Uhl does not play and you basically can't play Ellingson if ball handling is involved. Where would Dailey be this season if he got 25% of the minutes these guys got last year? Now it's "Dailey is learning and adjusting to his expanded role."
Curious why you picked 2014. Not trying to disagree with what you're saying, just interested why you chose, what appears to be on the surface, an arbitrary year.
He's not a PG, so that's not really the point. You have no idea how he will fare as an off-guard at the next level and it's not fair to write him off at this point just because he looks like Brady and Josh. Blame Fran for recruiting him if you want, but it's ridiculous that the people aren't giving the kid a chance and know nothing about him other than he's a white SG.
I agree Fredricks video shows him moving without the ball, driving to the basket, assisting, making 3's etc.. Fleming is standing waiting for the other 4-5 stars to break down the defense so he can shoot an open 3.
Will all depend if Fredrick has a high BB IQ and has the athletic ability to compete at this level.
Fleming was lost most of the time. Looked like he never got the offense or defense. Good open shooter but didn't have much game after that it turned out
Not disagreeing with you, but I am confident Ellingson has a very high basketball IQ, but that doesn't mean he is physically capable of playing at this level. You can leverage a specialist when you have multiple other guys who create match up problems for the opponent. This affords specialists wide open looks and rewards standing in the corner waiting for a kick out vs. creating their own offense. The specialist also has to play D, so back to my point about Ellingson.
It's perfectly fine to have the guys at the bottom of the roster transfer out. It actually allows you to turn over the roster more quickly. If anything, Fran should have convinced several more guys to move on after last year so he could have addressed needs for this year. The transfers in of note during Fran's tenure include Uthoff and Bryce Cartwright. Both were very successful. Also brought in Anthony Hubbard as a JUCO (White's freshman year) but Hubbard didn't make it past September for whatever reason.
He has also been in the running for other grad transfers or regular transfers. But in the end, that only matters if you get the players.
Early in Fran's tenure especially, he hit on some low-ranked guys who turned out to play well above their rankings. Olaseni and White come to mind most prominently. Others, like Ingram, Meyer, Fleming, etc. did not work out. I would prefer if Fran is going take flyers on low-ranked guys, that they be terrific athletes without basketball experience (like Olaseni) or taller mobile guys who were overlooked (like White). Guys with a solitary skill (shooting open 3's) tend to not make good Big Ten players. I would imagine we will see more movement this off-season as those who don't play a lot down the end of this season will not want to sit on the bench for another year.
The quandary of Pemsl is that everyone likes him. He’s got a great attitude and knows what he can do. But at center, Kriener is going to make a great tandem with Garza. At PF, Nunge’s upside will pass him as Cook’s backup. At SF, JW will come in and with Baer provide better options than Nunge, further funneling Nunge’s minutes to PF.
Simple reasons. I wanted recent examples. 2014 seemed logical. That would give them a year to sit out, per transfer rules and some time to get into the rotation at their new school.
I think that the coaches and most of the posters on this board thought JBo would be much better at PG this year than he has been. I still remember how so many saw him as a significantly better than Gesell last year. Combine that miscalculation with Williams leaving, Connor being unavailable, and Moss not stepping up as most expected, and we are in far worse shape at guard than almost anyone expected. Dailey might be the only guard who has met or exceeded expectations, but that was a pretty low bar and he isn't the answer. Sure there were calls for adding a more athletic PG, but who honestly thought we would be as bad at guard as we have been?
I agree that if Fran made Frederick's offer the next available scholarship, that was a bad miscalculation. Adding him as a gray shirt, who would be given a good opportunity to earn a scholarship, would have made a lot more sense. It is a shame that so many fans are already down on Frederick, when he looks like great kid, who can play.
At this point, we need a PG for next year, and beyond. A grad transfer would be perfect, but I don't think we can wait, hoping to land Carton or another top PG the following year, if another quality PG is available and wants to play at Iowa. I think Connor has shown that he can effectively play minutes at PG, but I don't think the combo of JBo and Connor is going to allow us to compete for anything better than the middle of the B1G.
I agree that if Fran made Frederick's offer the next available scholarship, that was a bad miscalculation. Adding him as a gray shirt, who would be given a good opportunity to earn a scholarship, would have made a lot more sense. It is a shame that so many fans are already down on Frederick, when he looks like great kid, who can play.
At this point, we need a PG for next year, and beyond. A grad transfer would be perfect, but I don't think we can wait, hoping to land Carton or another top PG the following year, if another quality PG is available and wants to play at Iowa. I think Connor has shown that he can effectively play minutes at PG, but I don't think the combo of JBo and Connor is going to allow us to compete for anything better than the middle of the B1G.
Not poor fans, just truthful. This is Big Ten basketball...some kids can compete and some can't. Its straight to the point and no bullshit.
