Guess I didn’t look to make sure, because im not on that hell hole that is twitter, but someone else posted it in another thread so taking their word for it I guess. Either way the optics look bad for cj
CJ Signs w/ Kentucky. Iowa Claiming Tampering? Level II Violation when 3rd Party Contacts a School When Athlete Discussed Enrolled at Another School
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Don’t go from being family friends, signing without a scholarship, to where they are today, without some animosity. We don’t know what has gone down, but cj waiting a month to announce he’s transferring doesn’t show great character regardless of what transpired
After the statement CJ just released, I'm not so certain he was for sure planning to transfer, especially with PMac's tweet about what's done in darkness being eventually brought to light.
I'm wondering if CJ wasn't on the fence and shopping around for other schools. Perhaps Fran found out about it and made the decision for CJ.
I literally just posted that in one of the other threads lol I think the way cj’s announcement was worded says this is probably the case. Fran is extremely loyal, guessing he expects that from his players. Or at least honesty. And especially from someone like cj who he has family ties to. Pretty shitty situation
I completely understand why Fran would be upset.
Mere speculation, but I really wonder how many players were put off by CMac starting at the 4. In the end, it's about winning.
Just thinking out loud:
With the deadline to announce transfer not being until 7/1 this year (will usually be 5/1 for CBB), is it considered OK for players to take time up until that deadline to make a decision? Are we mad at CJ for taking time he is explicitly given by the NCAA to make that decision?
Obviously, if tampering can be proven that changes the equation here, I am treating that as an unknown for now
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With the deadline to announce transfer not being until 7/1 this year (will usually be 5/1 for CBB), is it considered OK for players to take time up until that deadline to make a decision? Are we mad at CJ for taking time he is explicitly given by the NCAA to make that decision?
Obviously, if tampering can be proven that changes the equation here, I am treating that as an unknown for now
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I am so glad everyone is happy to blame CJF for all this and that Fran is not to blame for any of it.
As of last night he had only 2 followers from the team. Joe T and Luka. Don’t know how by many were following prior though.
Bingo. The kid is leaving a dead on the vine program for his home state blue blood. We would have all made the same choice.
Except that he was shady as heck the way he did it...makes him look like a clowwn!
Nobody outside iowa is going to gaf.
Probably sooner than he did. That’s the issue here. Sounds like he shopped around, but was telling Fran he was staying and ready to get back to work. It’s a bridge burned that will never be rebuilt.
Nobody in Iowa is going to gaf about those people outside of Iowa either so what's your point?
Bingo! 5 days ago, on April 14, Fran was still talking about CJ as if everything was fine (he won't need surgery; he will be cleared to practice very soon).
And it appears CJ to Kentucky was a done deal in February. So, CJ could have at least told Fran he wanted to transfer right after the season ended.
Instead, now Fran has to scramble to find a shooting guard to replace CJ.
Not a good look for CJ. At all. And that's why you see his teammates upset with him.
Well, guess what? When Kentucky begins having discussions in February with the Fredrick camp about CJ, who is enrolled at another school, it is still tampering and it's still a Level II NCAA violation.
Those discussions are not supposed to happen in February; they are only supposed to happen when the athlete officially has entered the transfer portal.
I think part of it, too, is that he sees a starting line up of Toussaint, PMac, CMac and Keegan/Josh O and thinks it would be a long season.
good point. but Kentucky is not supposed to be in discussions with the Fredrick camp in February about CJ, who is enrolled at another school. That is a Level II violation. Kentucky should know better.
Those discussions between the Fredrick camp and Kentucky can happen only when CJ's name appears in the transfer portal.
Patrick is clearly pretty pissed; Fran has done a lot for CJ and the Fredrick family and they blind side Fran like this?
Transferring is one thing. Having things all lined up in February, trying to keep it quiet, is another.
I am guessing the Fredricks and McCaffery's won't be exchanging Xmas cards this year
It's a pretty Im - @Moral situation, if you ask me
Of course... but it happens all the time. You can get bent out of shape about it but it honestly doesn't matter. Huggins went OFF about a player of his transferring to UK earlier this year. You think there wasn't tampering there? Of course there was.
Yeah, Fran wants you to be honest with him, if nothing else, because Fran will always be honest with his players.
Man, CJ has messed things up.
And heck, in all sports, people look at who's playing and question the coach's decisions. On my softball team, there is a guy who can hit the shit out of the ball, but all the runs he helps to score is negated by all the errors he makes in the field. We discuss that this player should be a DH or the catcher, and nothing else!!! Damn idiot coach!!!! LOL
Certainly when you have sons on the team, there will be crying of nepotism if things don't go well. Unfortunately, I think losing Nunge and CJ himself's injury had more to do with not meeting those expectations, but water under the bridge at this point. Here's the really bad scenario, I can almost bet will happen in about three or four years. Young Jack will be a 4 star high recruited stretch 4, playing at 6'9" and very skilled. Mom is going to win this one and think its time for a change of scenery for her offspring. Jack ends up at Notre Dame, and he ends up a consensus AA. This board rakes Fran over the coals for not being able to keep Jack in the fold and playing for Iowa. Wouldn't surprise me at all.......
Look at my orig post. Those tweets are all from Kentucky sports media people.
The Kentucky media knew the Fredrick camp and Kentucky were talking in February; that's a Level II NCAA violation. So, it's pretty clear the tampering has been going on for over 2 months, which I am sure Fran is now fully aware and fully pissed off about.
They'll never be able to PROVE tampering, or at least we know they won't do anything about it, as they basically never do. But there's no question with the amount of smoke about this move going back before the NCAA tourney that there was contact by some parties back and forth.
Correct. On Wed, Apr 14, Fran had a press conference. He said that CJ was chompin' at the bit to get back in the gym.
The only thing I worry about as far the committee is concerned is Jamie Pollard.
The FBI / Adidas investigation made it very clear that there are all kinds of shit going on where the head coach and school are untouchable if they get caught.
Sure, there may be NCAA rules, but nobody is following them because the NCAA is not enforcing them.
CJ probably wasn't happy with his role this year, moving down to the 4th scoring option with JBo's return, so maybe he met with Fran to verify that he'd have a major scoring role or else he wanted to transfer. And in typical Fran fashion, a temper tantrum ensued and the rest is history.
No other major school wanted him. Rumors apparently did exist linking him to Kentucky. Family history tossed out the door. McCs never previously showed such obvious personal anger over a transfer nor has the University been so unfriendly about a transfer.
Obviously something unique. Knowing something about leopards and spots I'd say there was tampering and CJ lied about it, in addition to the ingratitude. When someone/something deviates from its pattern you can be assured something is driving the deviation. Is it dishonesty or ingratitude or both?
Obviously something unique. Knowing something about leopards and spots I'd say there was tampering and CJ lied about it, in addition to the ingratitude. When someone/something deviates from its pattern you can be assured something is driving the deviation. Is it dishonesty or ingratitude or both?
In most cases of transferring the player has an idea where they want to go. Third parties be it high school coach's, neighbors or whoever check for interest from school. It happened for Utoff and likely for CJ and the ISU Fuerbach to Iowa
He got offers from Penn State, Indiana, and Xavier. He committed to Iowa in August before his senior year, so was off the market. I'm sure that after winning the Kentucky state championship and named MVP (in Rupp Arena, probably right in front of Coach Cal) he would have gotten plenty of offers if he were still available.
EVERY school Cal has coached at has had something come out either after he left or it chased him out the door, resulting in NCAA punishment for the school. He has boosters do his dirty work. KY has the boosters for it. I thought that CJ was above this. Maybe I was wrong?
Totally went down this way.....JFC
Yeah, it feels good for a change to be able to just blame the player.......
See the orig post.
The Kentucky sports media have known about this tampering since February
Fran seems to be the last to know
