Conference perception screwed Iowa

[hawktrooper1]

Sorry to kick a dead horse. But after watching tonight's Sweet 16 games and thinking how Iowa would have compared against them all, I keep coming back to the fact Iowa was set up next to a buzz saw of a team in Oregon that was embarrassingly under seeded. Houston as a No. 2 seed is rolling despite scoring 60 points against an 11 seed Syracuse. Are you serious.

Tomorrow's game between No. 7 Oregon and No. 6 USC might be the best game of this weekend. And these were the two teams Iowa earned the chance to play as a 2 seed?

Two teams that went a combined 48-13 and finished 1-2 in the Pac-12.

Man. Iowa really got a shit draw.

 

[Michael1969]

Other than Gonzaga, the committee may have slept on the west coast teams. Of the 12 teams remaining, 5 are located in the Pacific time zone. Flip that around and there's only 2 Eastern time zone teams remaining and they're playing each other on Sunday. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest UCLA beats Alabama tomorrow, especially if Alabama isn't hitting their 3s.

 

[mrcyfan]

Sorry to kick a dead horse. But after watching tonight's Sweet 16 games and thinking how Iowa would have compared against them all, I keep coming back to the fact Iowa was set up next to a buzz saw of a team in Oregon that was embarrassingly under seeded. Houston as a No. 2 seed is rolling despite scoring 60 points against an 11 seed Syracuse. Are you serious.

Tomorrow's game between No. 7 Oregon and No. 6 USC might be the best game of this weekend. And these were the two teams Iowa earned the chance to play as a 2 seed?

Two teams that went a combined 48-13 and finished 1-2 in the Pac-12.

Man. Iowa really got a shit draw.

Iowa should have been a 4 or 5 seed, and could have played someone like Oregon State in the first round. Iowa was lucky to have a 2 seed and a relatively easy first round opponent.

After watching the first 2 1/2 rounds of the tournament, the B1G has been pretty underwhelming. Only Michigan has survived out of nine entrants, and we’ll see if they are up to the task to advance.

 

[IllQChawk]

Iowa screwed Iowa. Fran played his trusted upper classmen and they just weren't good enough or athletically gifted enough. Garza and Weezy gave their all but not so much for the rest of the veterans.
Fran had all season to play Ahron, Tony, Kris, or Josh give them experience and when the time came when they were needed against Oregon they were unprepared to go up against the experienced athletes that Oregon had. Instead Fran played injured players that didn't have it that day.
Fran is maybe a veteran coach and has coached different teams to the NCAA tournament but he's only made the sweet 16 once and that was at Siena if I'm not mistaken. He seems overmatch here at Iowa against other NCAA coaches.
Iowa's only hope to make it any further in the NCAA tournament next year, is the sophomores of Ahron, Tony, Kris, Josh, Keegan, and Patrick. Juniors Joe T, C.J. and Jack and maybe Payton Sandford. Would love to see Weezy come back but who knows. Maybe his fiancee will convince him to stay...

 

[bansheexyz]

Houston's path as a 2 seed was absurdly easier. No 15, no 10, then no 11.

Meanwhile, we play the champions of the conference that hasn't lost yet in the 2nd freaking round. And then if by some miracle we won that game, we would've had to play USC.

I honestly wouldn't be shocked if Oregon won the whole thing at this point.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

I think Oregon loses tomorrow.

That’ll make Iowa’s loss look even worse.

 

[iahawks10]

Iowa screwed Iowa. Fran played his trusted upper classmen and they just weren't good enough or athletically gifted enough. Garza and Weezy gave their all but not so much for the rest of the veterans.
Fran had all season to play Ahron, Tony, Kris, or Josh give them experience and when the time came when they were needed against Oregon they were unprepared to go up against the experienced athletes that Oregon had. Instead Fran played injured players that didn't have it that day.
Fran is maybe a veteran coach and has coached different teams to the NCAA tournament but he's only made the sweet 16 once and that was at Siena if I'm not mistaken. He seems overmatch here at Iowa against other NCAA coaches.
Iowa's only hope to make it any further in the NCAA tournament next year, is the sophomores of Ahron, Tony, Kris, Josh, Keegan, and Patrick. Juniors Joe T, C.J. and Jack and maybe Payton Sandford. Would love to see Weezy come back but who knows. Maybe his fiancee will convince him to stay...

You are mistaken and more than once.

 

[IllQChawk]

You are mistaken and more than once.

Praytell how so? Fran played knowingly injured players against a healthy Oregon team. Really great coaching yes?

 

[blhawk]

Lack of athleticism and poor defense screwed Iowa like always, so lame to blame anything else

 

[iahawks10]

Praytell how so? Fran played knowingly injured players against a healthy Oregon team. Really great coaching yes?

Fran has never made the sweet 16, not with Siena or anyone else. That and he seems overmatched vs NCAA tournament coaches. Fran has lost to some very good coaches in the NCAA tournament: Mark Few, Jay Wright, Rick Barnes and Dana Altman. Cuonzo Martin is debatable on his coaching abilities, but has coached some solid teams. They were a sweet 16 team the year he beat Iowa.

No shame in losing to any of those guys, but to say he is overmatched vs other NCAA coaches is incorrect.

 

[El Simbolo]

Fran has never made the sweet 16, not with Siena or anyone else. That and he seems overmatched vs NCAA tournament coaches. Fran has lost to some very good coaches in the NCAA tournament: Mark Few, Jay Wright, Rick Barnes and Dana Altman. Cuonzo Martin is debatable on his coaching abilities, but has coached some solid teams. They were a sweet 16 team the year he beat Iowa.

No shame in losing to any of those guys, but to say he is overmatched vs other NCAA coaches is incorrect.

I think he meant “NCAA Tournament coaches”. I see many people shorten it to just NCAA

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Iowa should have been a 4 or 5 seed, and could have played someone like Oregon State in the first round. Iowa was lucky to have a 2 seed and a relatively easy first round opponent.

After watching the first 2 1/2 rounds of the tournament, the B1G has been pretty underwhelming. Only Michigan has survived out of nine entrants, and we’ll see if they are up to the task to advance.

Iowa > Iowa State

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Lack of athleticism and poor defense screwed Iowa like always, so lame to blame anything else

Iowa....screwed Iowa.

 

[pocha444444]

Iowa screwed Iowa. Fran played his trusted upper classmen and they just weren't good enough or athletically gifted enough. Garza and Weezy gave their all but not so much for the rest of the veterans.
Fran had all season to play Ahron, Tony, Kris, or Josh give them experience and when the time came when they were needed against Oregon they were unprepared to go up against the experienced athletes that Oregon had. Instead Fran played injured players that didn't have it that day.
Fran is maybe a veteran coach and has coached different teams to the NCAA tournament but he's only made the sweet 16 once and that was at Siena if I'm not mistaken. He seems overmatch here at Iowa against other NCAA coaches.
Iowa's only hope to make it any further in the NCAA tournament next year, is the sophomores of Ahron, Tony, Kris, Josh, Keegan, and Patrick. Juniors Joe T, C.J. and Jack and maybe Payton Sandford. Would love to see Weezy come back but who knows. Maybe his fiancee will convince him to stay...

Good points. Iowa is likely never going to have the type of talent where you can just rely on one group of veterans. You're going to need to pull from all of the best talent on the team, upperclassmen and underclassmen. This team was set up to go far, but Fran went all offense all year and ignored the potential that defensive minded guys like Toussaint/Murray/Perkins/Pmac added to this team. Connor is simply not a starter with the talent on this team, and I'd argue it would have been better to play Toussaint over Bohannon to mix up the offense/defense better between the starters and bench. We'll never know for sure, but it's infuriating that Fran never mixed it up until the 2nd half of the last game of the season when it was basically already out of reach.

 

[Kabby]

Lack of athleticism and poor defense screwed Iowa like always, so lame to blame anything else

so playing these injured players didn't have any bearing on our defense? I agree that Fran should have put the guys in that could go 100% when it was obvious the starting guys didn't have it.

 

[sbhawk64]

Sorry to kick a dead horse. But after watching tonight's Sweet 16 games and thinking how Iowa would have compared against them all, I keep coming back to the fact Iowa was set up next to a buzz saw of a team in Oregon that was embarrassingly under seeded. Houston as a No. 2 seed is rolling despite scoring 60 points against an 11 seed Syracuse. Are you serious.

Tomorrow's game between No. 7 Oregon and No. 6 USC might be the best game of this weekend. And these were the two teams Iowa earned the chance to play as a 2 seed?

Two teams that went a combined 48-13 and finished 1-2 in the Pac-12.

Man. Iowa really got a shit draw.

Did you not watch the game? Oregon was playing much faster than us. Oregon beats us 9 out of 10 times. The tenth game, Oregon is literally too tired from running the score on us the prior 9 games

BTW, the conference perception was BIG was the best conference. If anything, that bought Iowa 5 points

 

[iahawks10]

I think he meant “NCAA Tournament coaches”. I see many people shorten it to just NCAA

But that is what I said/meant too. Under Fran Iowa has lost to: Mark Few, Jay Wright, Rick Barnes, Dana Altman and Cuonzo Martin.

Iowa has played to their seed, I’d guess on average as their seed in the NCAAs.

As a better seed, Iowa is 3-1:
(7) Iowa beat (10) Davidson
(7) Iowa beat (10) Temple
(2) Iowa beat (15) GCU
(2) Iowa lost to (7) Oregon (with a 1st rd bye)

As a worse seed, Iowa is 1-3:
(10) Iowa beat (7) Cincinnati
(7) Iowa lost to (2) Gonzaga (Elite 8)
(7) Iowa lost to (2) Villanova (Nat Champ)
(10) Iowa lost to (2) Tennessee (Sweet 16)

As the same seed, Iowa is 0-1:
(11) Iowa lost to (11) Tenn in OT (Sweet 16)

Iowa is 0–1 in play in games. 4-0 in first round games, and 0-4 in the second round.

 

[the24fan]

I think Oregon loses tomorrow.

That’ll make Iowa’s loss look even worse.

Yeah Southern Cal is really good. They are gonna be a tough out!

 

[slipHawk]

Bull pucky. Iowa should have been able to play better than what they showed. They didn’t get a raw deal they didn’t play up to potential.

 

[slipHawk]

Iowa was a Top 10 team going into the tourney. Draw shouldn’t matter. They should be able to hang with anyone.

 

[sober_teacher]

I think it was Jon Miller on his podcast that Iowa also has a ridiculous stretch of always playing the higher seed in their second game. Meaning, they never seem to play a team that advanced via upset or as a double digit seed.

so arguably you can also say that Iowa does not play against bad teams in the tournament.

 

[Hans81]

Iowa should have been a 4 or 5 seed, and could have played someone like Oregon State in the first round. Iowa was lucky to have a 2 seed and a relatively easy first round opponent.

After watching the first 2 1/2 rounds of the tournament, the B1G has been pretty underwhelming. Only Michigan has survived out of nine entrants, and we’ll see if they are up to the task to advance.

Well, 3 of the Big 10 losses were in OT, so obviously those games could have gone either way. You know as well as I do that if the tournament was replayed with team seeds jumbled up (except for all the #1 & #16 seeds) that there would be different outcomes of the Sweet 16.

 

[sober_teacher]

Iowa was a Top 10 team going into the tourney. Draw shouldn’t matter. They should be able to hang with anyone.

I think you can easily just say that in a tough matchup for Iowa, our guys didn’t have their best day, Oregon played one of their best games and it was just not their day.
For those blaming it on the lack of athleticism, you guys weren’t complaining down the stretch when Iowa finished strong, whipping both Sparty and Buckeyes on the road in part.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

I think it was Jon Miller on his podcast that Iowa also has a ridiculous stretch of always playing the higher seed in their second game. Meaning, they never seem to play a team that advanced via upset or as a double digit seed.

so arguably you can also say that Iowa does not play against bad teams in the tournament.

Pretty accurate. Tom Davis probably had as many games against Duke as he did against Iowa State.

 

[IAHawkGrad2000]

I think you can easily just say that in a tough matchup for Iowa, our guys didn’t have their best day, Oregon played one of their best games and it was just not their day.
For those blaming it on the lack of athleticism, you guys weren’t complaining down the stretch when Iowa finished strong, whipping both Sparty and Buckeyes on the road in part.

sparty and osu are no where near as athletic as oregon... no big ten team is. swap iowa with bama or houston and we're in the sweet 16

 

[slipHawk]

I think it was Jon Miller on his podcast that Iowa also has a ridiculous stretch of always playing the higher seed in their second game. Meaning, they never seem to play a team that advanced via upset or as a double digit seed.

so arguably you can also say that Iowa does not play against bad teams in the tournament.

Yeah the committee seems amazing at picking top seeds that make it through to play Iowa. Every Single Time. But still, I’m over it. Iowa just needs to get better. Freaking Oral Roberts can make it to the s16, wtf are we doing.

 

[dekhawk]

Stop the excuses, Iowa was not as good as we thought.

 

[slipHawk]

Stop the excuses, Iowa was not as good as we thought.

I think they were better than they showed though... Fran doesn't seem to be able to coach up the BIG games.

 

[iahawks10]

I think they were better than they showed though... Fran doesn't seem to be able to coach up the BIG games.

Two seniors, two juniors, and a sophomore (with 50+ starts) needed coached up for a big game?

 

[sober_teacher]

sparty and osu are no where near as athletic as oregon... no big ten team is. swap iowa with bama or houston and we're in the sweet 16

sure thing, matchups are crucial as well. I thought that was a contributing factor for the faceplant by the big10 in general.

i agree Oregon is more athletic than many teams we played, I didn’t think the gap would be as wide as it looked.

 

[goodbyebobby]

sure thing, matchups are crucial as well. I thought that was a contributing factor for the faceplant by the big10 in general.

i agree Oregon is more athletic than many teams we played, I didn’t think the gap would be as wide as it looked.

No, it was wider to be honest. Oregon may have one player in the league, I don't know, but they have a lot of kids with NBA athleticism.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I wouldn't bet on Iowa against any of the teams in the Sweet 16. Loyola-Chicago is closest from a talent perspective, but they play some salty D. Fran has not established an identity at Iowa. Athletically, Iowa's guards have never come close to measuring up. Athletic guards + wings and tenacious D are common denominators among Sweet 16 teams and neither have been strengths under Fran.

 

[jwardelt]

Lack of athleticism and poor defense screwed Iowa like always, so lame to blame anything else

Well, it’s not blaming the refs at least. Progress.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Well, it’s not blaming the refs at least. Progress.

Unfortunately, we can’t play Wisconsin every game in the tourney.

Man, if all we had to do was play the Badgers 6 straight times to win the National Championship! That would be an easy banner.

 

[jwardelt]

Unfortunately, we can’t play Wisconsin every game in the tourney.

Man, if all we had to do was play the Badgers 6 straight times to win the National Championship! That would be an easy banner.

It’s gotta sting even worse knowing you got beat by a team that got boat raced in their next game. You and Illinois really did a number this year. Advanced as far as UW in the tourney. Nice to know beating us is your yearly highlight.

 

[efg2008]

Odd thread.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Yeah Southern Cal is really good. They are gonna be a tough out!

We’re on the same page. I never thought Oregon was as good as everybody on here wanted to anoint them after they beat us down. USC is damn good & they’re showing Oregon what a great team is.

I just thought after that game that we were a lot worse than I wanted to believe. We were Luka Garza, with an ok no.2 player & just a whole bunch of other dudes after that.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

It’s gotta sting even worse knowing you got beat by a team that got boat raced in their next game. You and Illinois really did a number this year. Advanced as far as UW in the tourney. Nice to know beating us is your yearly highlight.

I would call beating Wisconsin just the normal routine this year.

I mean, counting football, we beat you like 7 times between the two sports.

 

[jwardelt]

I would call beating Wisconsin just the normal routine this year.

I mean, counting football, we beat you like 7 times between the two sports.

Congrats I guess. You didn’t accomplish anything you set out to this year.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Clearly the PAC12 was grossly underrated, and the B1G was overrated. I agree that Iowa got a terrible draw, and that combined with injuries making Iowa much more vulnerable to "upsets" led to what we saw. Oregon really dominated the Hawks, despite Luka playing a good offensive game. I do think that the Hawks at full strength were a top 10 team. Without Nunge, and both CJ and Connor diminished by injury, the Hawks were still good enough to beat most of the teams in the dance, but Luka and Weesy were not enough to beat many of the teams, if they were really athletic and playing at a high level.