Connor. What did you do???
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When I watch a game like that and see so many glaring “officiating mistakes” it makes me think one or more of a few things are occurring.
1) the crew is biased against Fran from previous interactions/games.
2) the crew is biased for Wisconsin basketball, they just happen to be fans.
3) the crew is gambling on the game.
4) the crew is just that routinely incompetent.
Something is going on though.
1) the crew is biased against Fran from previous interactions/games.
2) the crew is biased for Wisconsin basketball, they just happen to be fans.
3) the crew is gambling on the game.
4) the crew is just that routinely incompetent.
Something is going on though.
"F'ing cheaters!" .....you sound like our head coach.......
Early in the first half Keegan and a Wisconsin guard are going back and forth after a loose ball. Keegan gets it and then has his left hand grabbed by the Wisconsin player, preventing him from getting his hand down to protect the ball on a dribble.
Grabbing another players hand is a personal foul, no call. The Wisc guard takes the ball down the court and lays in an easy 2.
These are just the BS plays that i can remember off the top of my head.
Grabbing another players hand is a personal foul, no call. The Wisc guard takes the ball down the court and lays in an easy 2.
These are just the BS plays that i can remember off the top of my head.
Well when the shoe fits, its Wisconsin basketball after all. Garbage basketball and a garbage program.
if you are talking about the play where Hepburn took the ball from Murray at halfcourt, looked like a good play. Maybe a bit of contact but Murray went right to dribbling after recovering the ball instead of grabbing it with 2 hands.
A shot goes up and three of our guys look at it hit the rim, watch it fall off the rim, and then watch a Wisconsin player hustle in and get the ball to score.
A FT is shot, two of our guys--together--can't secure the rebound and it goes out of bounds off of them, back to Wisconsin.
shit like THAT can't happen.
I can't speak for others, but these antics are part of the reason I don't make the trip to Carver as often as I could. It's really hard to support people who whine/cry about officiating (on one or two calls) - especially in a blowout loss.
Looking at the other Iowa coaches and teams, you don't see this type of behavior from players and coaches. Wrestling fans love Brands, as squirrely as he is and show up to support his teams. Ferentz, even w/ all of his faults (and there are many) seems to get butts in the seats regularly......Even Bluder's teams have decent draws and they can't rebound or defend, but people attend and support.....
There is something very non-Iowan about Fran's behavior and Connor whining about a 'bad call' on Twitter and it turns people away....
My theory on basketball officiating is …..
seriously quick and strong athletes make everything look so easy they get away with murder.
skinny weak slow guys look so awkward everything looks like a foul.
If you are complaining about the refs and not Iowa's pathetic defense and rebounding you as big of an ignorant whiny bitch as Connor. Nice work
sticking up for refs like this is being a ignorantly whiny bitch also they have a JOB to do and they did it really shitty last night.....doesn't mean Iowa lost because of it but facts are facts and refs were 100% in wiscy favor last night
I think you nailed it as far as what my friends say. Embarrassing behavior + ridiculous nepitism/favoritism + pathetic defense/rebounding = a dead Carver.
I think as time passes Garza's legend will grow as we realize all the warts he covered up for Francis
Do you think we would have won? I'd rather our guys take responsibility for the things they can control rather than worry about an officiating crew that's going to be inconsistent and different each game. Don't think there's a conspiring officiating coalition against Fran or Iowa... that's silly.
Here are some things that went wrong that weren't on the refs, that affected the outcome of the game:
* Shot 4-17 from 3 up until J bo finally shot his 2nd shot of the game with 3 minutes left against their 2nd/3rd string team. skewed stat. we weren't shooting great.
* We got outrebounded 38-25, not sure why ESPN has 43-25, because the rebounds don't total up to that. Again, if this happens we won't win
* Our half-court defense is outer-worldly bad. Unless this drastically changes with rebounding, we lose.
* We shot 11-19 from the free-throw line, pretty sure we missed 2 front ends of a 1 and 1. could be wrong.
I'm not sticking up for the refs.... You focus on what you can control and with shit defense and offense like that they were screwed either way. They gave up 87 to Wisconsin, that's not on the refs. You are a bitch too
The official had 0 to do with that loss. You don't get out rebounded by 20 and win. Hustle plays usually go to the player working the hardest, we don't. We cherry pick when we should be defensive rebounding. We get pushed under the hoop on shots like it's our job. We don't rotate down to the block weak side when there is penetration on the other.
we are weak, physically and mentally. We have guys playing past their prime and a coach too prideful and stubborn to adapt.
we are weak, physically and mentally. We have guys playing past their prime and a coach too prideful and stubborn to adapt.
Uhhhhhhhh we only got out rebounded by 13!!!!!!!!! SHEESH!!! lol
He didn't "stick up" for the refs. Losers bitch and whine about refs. Winners win. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
Players, NIL or not, are still college kids. They have to answer questions from the media after games. They have to try to explain why they messed up. Refs? They're adults. They're well paid. They never meet with the media after games and explain the ridiculous calls--and non-calls--that happen every game. And we almost never hear of the Big Ten--or any other conference--providing any meaningful accountability. So what the hell are people supposed to do?
This "s**t" officiating has been going on for decades. You can laugh all you want, but any objective observer would admit that Iowa, like most road teams, gets it stuck to 'em, but unlike most home teams, Iowa seldom gets the same advantages in Iowa City.
To reward a player throwing up a desperation three, sticking his leg out, and getting three points at the line out of it is contrary to the rules and to the entire spirit of the game. And guess what? The guy doing it was the dirtiest player in the Big Ten!
And one more thing: that Wisky throw from about 45 feet that was ruled to have hit the backboard did NOT, of course, and the laws of physics prove it. Why should any team be given the benefit of the doubt when they heave a throw up there at the last second? Reward the team who played 29.9 seconds of great defense and forced a wild throw. But no, not even after spending a long time "reviewing" it.
So Wisconsin was given FIVE points they didn't deserve, just on those two situations. Add that to Iowa's self-inflicted wounds by missing so many FTs they have been making all season, and despite everything else, you have a very close game.
If Connor gets suspended or whatever for speaking up, so be it. Most of you don't think he should be playing anyway, so what's the downside? The refs gonna start targeting Iowa? LOL
BTW: Wisky is one of the worst rebounding teams in the Big Ten, and Iowa--once again--was totally embarrassed on the boards. Rebound the damn ball, and it's gonna take a lot more than home-cookin' to get beat. Iowa showed no energy or effort last night--until maybe the last three minutes. So Iowa deserved to lose, make no mistake about that.
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It is a fairly composed post, not a rant, not profane. WTF is wrong with it? If it's OK to use social media, there's nothing wrong with pointing out the obvious
My god do you think these are middle school girls out there? It’s big boy ball. Not for the faint of heart. Oh no he touched me. Call a foul. Way too many fouls called as it was.
Is that why you were in the bonus with 12 minutes to go in the 2nd half? Because the refs were favoring Wisconsin?
Explain why our offense works better when he's on the court? And our defense?
Both objectively true from the numbers.
Not making any claims myself one way or another, but you hear about how he gets people in the right place, makes great little plays that help but don't show up in the stats. The play against MD for instance where he grabbed the ball right out of the net after they cut it to two and immediately whipped the outlet to beat the defense down the court and extend the lead.
Are the stats skewed, and that talk all bs? If you think so, what's actually happening? Or are you not really sure what you're talking about?
Just curious.
Disclaimer: we didn't lose because of the refs. We lost for the same reasons we will lose about 10 more conference games this year: defense, rebounding, cold shooting streaks. That being said. . . .
Wisconsin and Michigan State are yearly coached to grab a ball handler's wrists with their hands. And I mean grab. Last night I watched numerous Wisconsin guards put an entire claw on an Iowa ball handlers arm, and hold on, with no consequence. I don't have any idea how that is allowed on any level of basketball.
In the tournament, Wisconsin will play better teams than Iowa, they'll get called for that foul, and they will lose.
How hasn't he deleted that tweet yet? How has Fran not MADE him delete that tweet yet? One of the dumbest things I've publicly seen an Iowa player do.
Our two best 5 man line ups offensively include Connor. Our best defense line-ups include Connor. That's not my opinion, it's what numbers say, if you can explain how they don't mean we're better with him in the lineup feel free, I'd love to hear it. Again, I'm not registering an opinion, just asking questions
Don’t players and coaches get fined in the NBA for publicly criticizing the refs?
The fact the coach’s son is okay with tweeting about the refs after a shit performance tells me all I need to know about the character and makeup of the coach’s son (and likely the coach).
Advanced metrics exist. I've seen them previously, within the last week. Tell you what, I'll dig if you do, you can easily prove that wrong, if that's the case. I just thought they've been posted here previously so people had seen them.
Certainly it's been the case historically over the years, I think that's been discussed here enough to be well known, correct?
i agree with most of this but wisconsin did make the national championship game using their defensive principles.... so did MSU. Maybe we should play more like college players and less like hs players.
someone debunked that stat in another thread... not finding it again. basically he is in like 8 of the 10 5 man lineups that had the 20 minimum reps required. So the stat is shit donald.
He did. However there is a right and a wrong way on how to handle this after the game. I'd even been ok if Fran would have verbally displayed his displeasure on it in post game which would have gotten a fine from the Big 10. Or the do the behind the scenes speaking to the Big 10 about it where you can basically tell him this kid has a history of 4.5 yrs of the BS. But for Connor to spout off on twitter after playing 15 min with 5 fouls doing nothing again is a bad look. I'm curious to see how Fran handles this but in the end I expect him to brush it under the rug and nothing will happen to his son.
End of the day we lost and not because of the refs. Yeah some bad calls but even if there were more against Iowa nothing over the top to sway the game. We lost because we got our butts beat on the boards, couldn't defend and weren't as tough which is ironic because the Connor playing time defenders after last game brought these attributes up as why he should be on the floor. Also besides Keegan we missed lot of open shots let alone the fact we took a lot of bad shots.
I’m not the one making the assertion. The burden of proof is on you. I would also add the main problem with some of these “advanced metrics” is correlation doesn’t always mean causation.
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