Connor. What did you do???
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16 minutes for your 9th best player is not rational. I don't mind the Twitter...who cares, it was a bad call and refs just covering their ass. That said, the mindset is wrong that you bash refs when your team just gave up 15 offensive rebounds and only got 20 defensive rebounds. Everyone on the team should be embarassed by that stat, starting at head coach level.
I forgot nothing, that's exactly the kind of idiotic post I'm talking about. You imply he does nothing to help, which is grossly inaccurate. You can make an argument he doesn't do enough to warrant court time, but to do so you have to understand his value. Most here clearly do not.
It can't be 2. The Purdue and il games weren't any better.
I do love how the refs got that flop warning early. Did they ever call it again...I assume not
The difference, of course, being that Patrick blocked the three pointer while Trice had his hand on Bohannon through the entirety of his shot. One is a cheap foul, one is not a foul
I implied nothing. I said for him to play, a younger player with more upside must sit. Is that statement wrong.
I have stated that he is not worth playing the amount of time he gets, same with jbo. Is there a spot for Conner at 5-8 minutes, maybe. But at 18-20, he is taking time from player that will help the team more both short and long term. That's not a difficult concept and most people would agree that are not named fran.
You are delusional if you think what Trice did was a foul and Patrick wasn't. If you asked an Iowa fan, their team has never committed a foul in history.
pretty sure the flop has to be called on the same guy, no?
I thought the first flop was a borderline warning and don't remember another.
Iowa for sure has committed fouls in history, so you’re wrong… which is surprising since you’ve had 15 years on this board to watch our posts
Above you asked for him to be replaced by a player "who may actually help". That implies you think he doesn't help.
not enough value to warrant the time he gets. That's the point everyone has been making. He deserves change of pace/foul trouble spot play. 5 minutes.
I do think he hold the team back as does jbo (this year/last year). Josh O would be another example.
If true, that's pretty ridiculous!!
I assumed it was a team warning but maybe not?
After looking I think it's like the delay of game for touching a ball after a make. It's a team warning 1st. technical 2nd.
Not necessarily, but as a fan I’d like to think the game is fairly officiated to the point both teams have a fair shake. That the crews are impartial obsevers, but I know that just isn’t true. Whether incompetence or bias it isnt straight up. We’ll never know how it could have turned out. That’s a majority of where my frustration comes from.
Garbage programs like Wisconsin commit personal fouls on every play knowing the officials cannot or will not call them all. 40+ fouls of variety of offenses per half, the officials have to pick their places or they would be stopping play every 15 seconds.
Its an embarrassment to the game. The product of bully philanderer Bo Ryan basketball. 🤮 🤮 🤮
This 1000%. Big Ten Men’s basketball is no longer an enjoyable form of entertainment because every game has such inconsistent officiating. A player cannot learn how to alter their game because the next half or the next game will be the exact opposite with the same crew. I see this whether I’m watching Iowa or Maryland (who I see a lot) or any random BIG game. I have started watching more Big East bball because it’s simply more entertaining.
For a player to be upset by officiating crews being inept is understandable. What I don’t get are why so many people are subservient weenies who don’t call out bull sh&t when it hits them in the face. Change comes by speaking out. Getting screwed over all your life happens by sitting down and accepting people who are corrupt or inept or both. And don’t start with the free education BS either. Do recipients of merit based scholarship money lose the right to expression because their education is comped? Of course not, how stupid.
Finallly, if the refs retaliate against Connor it will only prove his point. Not only are the BIG refs incompetent, they are also corrupt and biased in calling plays based on who they like and who they don’t.
It should be a Technical foul. They coach them to do it and encourage it at Wisconsin.
Cheat and make the refs sort it out / catch you.
Biggest D bag in all of college basketball Brad Davison loves him a good flop.
Not sure I agree with this. Wisconsin values defense, they preach it, they teach it. That is the current state of d1 college basketball. Fran plays like no one should push or box out.
If officials call a more tight game, wisconsin and msu will be ok, they will adjust. Iowa is the team that doesn't adjust. Iowa plays the preseason like the post season. Where as most coaches know the game gets called different at the end of a season.
They will probably just give him technicals when they should. For the most part they've given him a long leash like his dad. He should have been given an automatic tech for complaining during action the other night.
It's a rivalry game, we beat them 3 times last year, and they play tough defense. Sure they have guys that play tough and cheap, but the players need to leave the barking to Fran. He's good at that and it's a bad look for Connor. From some of our perspectives, it comes off soft to complain about refs on social media after losing by a smidge under double digits, but what felt like (and should have been) 20. But yeah you're right, they missed some stupid calls, and it was a very experienced crew out there led by Kelly Pfiefer, but it didn't change the outcome of the game. It's just something to complain about on a message board/social media.
You seem like the only embarrassment that I can see. If you want to complain about how Davison plays, I can understand that. But if you really think a game with 22 fouls on one team and 20 on the other was so egregious, then I think you are an idiot. Both teams play a style that has less fouls than average teams. Both teams generally shoot more free throws than their opponents. This was a game that was called pretty evenly across the board. There may have been a bad call or two but nothing like the Trice/Bohannon foul that did determine the outcome at the end of the game. And after that horrendous call, you didn’t see a single badger player go crying to Twitter. You need to grow up or quit watching college basketball.
I actually agree with you. Just checked the NCAA site to see how many PF's Wisconsin logs per game, it's a hair over 17. 22 is also the most fouls they have had in a B1G this year, 14 against OSU, 19 against Indiana, 17 against Purdue. I remember that foul last year, terrible. Everything comes around eventually, we are whining about something that has nothing to do with the outcome. Just lost to a better team, we were outcoached, and we were out hustled and outplayed.
Connors numbers aren’t just not good, they’re awful. His PER is the lowest on the team and it’s not close. His +/- is only ahead of Ash and Mulvey. I used to be able to defend Connor bringing some needed toughness in his younger days, but he doesn’t do that anymore. He’s a liability on defense and brings literally nothing to the offensive end except the occasional post feed. There’s no justification for the minutes he gets and it takes away from guys like Sandfort and Perkins getting valuable minutes for the future.
And I'm saying this is bizarrely untrue as an assessment of what he does that tells me you don't really understand his value.
I'm not pushing for more minutes or anything, I'm just pushing for basketball literacy in these threads.
Thanks. I realize I probably shouldn’t have called him an idiot but I just don’t understand how he can characterize the badgers as one of the teams that commit fouls on every possession. There are teams like that but badgers are not one of them. We don’t even play a pressure style of defense that almost all of the foul happy teams play. Plus Iowa shot a ton of jumpers which usually limits the number of fouls called on a defense. I’m not a fan of McCaffery but I wouldn’t say his teams are foul happy either. I can understand complaining about a foul here or there but the broad stroke of horrible officiating by some posters makes me think Fran is rubbing off on some of Iowa’s fans like he did with his sons.
What is untrue? That is PER is the worst on the team or that is +/- is awful? I would love for you to provide some examples of his perceived value
I think the fans that truly can look at this team and understand the problems we have aren't brand new and have always been here under Fran's reign, can speak more objectively. I think people are frustrated with multiple things, but I try not to blame officials, even though they have been less than great in the B1G, not just for our games. If we play solid defense, and get rebounds, and pull out a W some of these issues, for many fans, seem to fade into the background.
it is not bizarre in the least, only your take on it is. The team as a whole would be better if he did not play. Same with JBO. Yep I get it jbo would have an 8 3 pointer game somewhere in the next 15, but I'm willing to skip that to give the pt to someone else for both short term and long term benefit.
Tell me, in that final 13 minutes against maryland where cmac was qbing the defense from the back row of the zone: how many rebounds did he have?
Doesn't mean the refs will taget him or cheat. It just means the leash will be shorter and his pleaing for call will be viewed as another "crying wolf".
No, it was the rest of your post that was not true.
That he doesn't bring toughness
A defensive liability
Brings nothing to the offense except occasional post feeds
All bizarrely untrue
I'm just pushing for it from the guy making millions. He continues to "read" well-below grade level.
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