yeah, I totaled them out on ESPN, they were wrong. it adds up to 11 offensive and 27 defensive if you total each of the kids' individual rebounds up. don't understand why it's off? it's not on Sports-Ref.
Connor. What did you do???
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Let's just say another player on another B1G team did this, what would we be saying? Probably something like "He's not wrong, but you can't do that on twitter" and would expect the player to be benched/suspended for a game or two. Otherwise they will just have future refs breathing down their neck, as well as refs after their coach for letting it happen.
Hopefully the B1G does something about the refs, but at the same time it's not a great look for CMac and I would expect some discipline here. CMac may be a little too emboldened here given that he's the coaches son and Fran is well-known for red-faced blow-ups at officials.
Hopefully the B1G does something about the refs, but at the same time it's not a great look for CMac and I would expect some discipline here. CMac may be a little too emboldened here given that he's the coaches son and Fran is well-known for red-faced blow-ups at officials.
Analytics are very helpful in evaluating a team and its players.
According to EvanMiya.com, Iowa's best five-man lineup that has played at least 20 possessions with each other is Murray, Connor, JBO, Rebraca and Joe T.
The most efficient four-man lineup with at least 40 possessions played together is Connor, Murray, Rebraca, and Toussaint.
This analyst sees it the way I do. Go argue with him I guess.
FRAGILE from top to bottom at Iowa basketball. I hate to say it but this coach is the reason.
Let's not forget, Connor was the recipient of the Big 10 sportsmanship award the year he got in 3 fights and grumbled after every time he was called for a foul. lol Nepotism is bad, both in football and basketball.
When Connor came in around the 13 min mark Wisconsin went up by 11. It’s a simple metric but effective
Oh another simple metric is that Connor played the majority of the second half and wisky extended the lead by another 5-10 points lol. If you can’t see how bad Connor is then there is no helping your basketball intelligence
And add too that, when looking at the best 4- and 5-man lineups you rarely see a lineup without Connor or Pat because Fran refuses to play without either one.
The notion there are only five possible lineups with 20 possessions on the season seems absurd, anyone have the actual data? Unless that was checked after the first couple games it doesn't pass the smell test.
Ncaa teams average 70 possessions per game, we've played 15 games, that's 1050 possessions. Undoubtedly even more than that since our tempo will put us above average in possessions, but still. Y'all telling me a player playing 16 mins per game is in 4 out if the only 5 grouping with 20 or more possessions?
@HawkAttackDial911 do you have that data?
Ncaa teams average 70 possessions per game, we've played 15 games, that's 1050 possessions. Undoubtedly even more than that since our tempo will put us above average in possessions, but still. Y'all telling me a player playing 16 mins per game is in 4 out if the only 5 grouping with 20 or more possessions?
@HawkAttackDial911 do you have that data?
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Amen. The fouls were 22-20, if it was 22-10 I can see calling out the refs but considering the atrocious defense and rebounding it is just beyond pathetic to bring up the refs at all.... but that's all the McCafferys have when they refuse to look in the mirror
EXACTLY. The reality of the situation is that a guy who has a the biggest track record I've ever seen of dirty play does it again and gets rewarded. He deliberately did something similar to Minnesota's Jordan Murphy a couple years ago. That was as he was coming down on a rebound and could have resulted in a season ending ankle injury. No one questioned the uproar about that one. But here we are again and its season 9 of dick punch Davison doing the same stuff but because its a Mccaffrey and Iowa, everyone is going to focus on that and not the actions of a serial problem player.
I luckily missed the game. Who was the crew? I didn't have a chance to look.
Was Paul Szelc involved?(He's an ignorant scoundrel and I disapprove of his very existence.)
Hepburn grabbed Murray’s left hand. Go back and watch it. That’s a personal foul.
Our offense has always seemed to flow better when he was in the game, his whole career. Surely you've noticed? The way he settles our guards down, makes sure we run the offense and feed the post. Particularly near the ends of games that's extremely valuable.
His minutes are down this year of course, Kris deserving more work obviously being a big part if that, as well as the minor injuries for CM, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have value on the court.
I'm looking to use data to verify his effect. That's always better than going with what I feel to be true. So far we have a claim that he's in our best offensive lineups by a data guy, and a "debunking" that doesn't pass the smell test. I'll dig for more when I get the chance, but I just thought others might have it.
not a foul and hand is part of the ball. which is why there is rarely a slap down called as a foul. If the ball goes up on a slap down you know they got part of the wrist. this is what an official is looking for, the game happens too fast to see every little detail.
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Also in last years end of season metrics on EvanMiya.com Connor was rated the worst out of all players. He also had the worst chemistry with every player on the team. That site doesn't become valuable until 2/3 to 3/4 of the season is complete so we will see where he ends up this year.
I fine this to be a crazy comment. Go re-watch the game last night. The minute Connor comes in both halves our offense goes into a complete funk. They sag off Connor and we started settling for Keegan 20 foot jump shots as our offense was completely stagnant. This myth is something...
Also in last years end of season metrics on EvanMiya.com Connor was rated the worst out of all players. He also had the worst chemistry with every player on the team. That site doesn't become valuable until 2/3 to 3/4 of the season is complete so we will see where he ends up this year.
It appears someone got word of the tweet.. Seems to have gotten deleted,
He wasn't the only one that came in, our second unit struggled even more than out first last night as a whole. But I'm not talking about one game, either, and I'm looking to see data.
You may he right. I'd like to see, though. He clearly helped our offense in previous years. Could be that a big part of that was just his role as our best post passer, which meant getting it into Garza the last few years. Perhaps that being less of a factor changes things more than I'd think
Connor out there not only as traffic cop on defense, but the emotional support animal for the guards.
"I'll have a large Iowa! bball, deCafferynated, please."
His off the ball defense, though…..
Immeasurable value.
Yeah, I'm afraid it might get ugly if Iowa continues to play poorly and Fran continues to play his 3 sons the majority of the time.
How does Connor settle him? Burn some sage? Promise him a lavender bath bomb when they get back to Iowa?
This was the link provided. EvanMiya.com. Go to "Team Breakdown", then "Lineups", select Iowa. I cannot vouch for the data. I have not checked it. They do not say how many games are included in the data but there are only 5 5-man lineups with at least 20 possessions.
you can live with 3 turnovers if you have steals/defense/can dribble drive. Fran seems, and you as well, unable to see that.
Jbo/conner may score a few/prevent a few but give up more in general. And it's not always just their man, it's the poor rotations/sagging defense that it allows.
JBO and conner are stealing time from fans and the younger guys. JBo had his 5 years (i didn't want him back for this reason). I'm ok if jbo shoots frequently and if he's not on, take him out but that's never the case.
A shooter/poor defender that doesnt shoot in the first 36 minutes should not be in a game.
So the tweet isn’t available anymore. Anyone have a snippet of what he tweeted?
We'd be well over 1000 possessions by now. A guy averaging 16 mins per game isn't in 80% of the lineups with the most mins. I'm just saying that math is way off.
This is either:
A: An elaborate troll
B: A person with little to no Basketball IQ
C: Connor himself or a family member
Look, this entire thread speaks of Connor's limitations, which are real and fair game. But no one here seems to remotely understand the value he adds. I'm not even saying that value outweighs the limitations. I'm saying the fact no one hear understands it gives this thread the feel of a game thread. Lots of inane bitching and stupid exaggerations that are more emotional than substantive.
We should all realize that some players provide value that doesn't show in stats. We should all be able to recognize Connor is one of those players. Much of that value is likely invisible to TV viewers, or even those watching live. But you do see it. You see him redirect players both on offense and defense. Ensuring proper spacing, and getting them into the offense. You see him slow the ball down before giving it to point guards to keep things under control, or speeding things up with outlet passes to beat the other team down court, as the situation calls for. He made a huge play like that in the last minute against MD when they briefly cut it to 2. Obviously you've seen he's our best at feeding the ball into the post, if three years of him setting up Garza didn't teach you that than basketball isn't your thing.
That stuff is all very hard to quantify, measure, or even see a lot of the time.
16 mins seems about right to me, but I'd really want to see some good data that can help tell the story so people can sound smarter when they have this discussion.
We should all realize that some players provide value that doesn't show in stats. We should all be able to recognize Connor is one of those players. Much of that value is likely invisible to TV viewers, or even those watching live. But you do see it. You see him redirect players both on offense and defense. Ensuring proper spacing, and getting them into the offense. You see him slow the ball down before giving it to point guards to keep things under control, or speeding things up with outlet passes to beat the other team down court, as the situation calls for. He made a huge play like that in the last minute against MD when they briefly cut it to 2. Obviously you've seen he's our best at feeding the ball into the post, if three years of him setting up Garza didn't teach you that than basketball isn't your thing.
That stuff is all very hard to quantify, measure, or even see a lot of the time.
16 mins seems about right to me, but I'd really want to see some good data that can help tell the story so people can sound smarter when they have this discussion.
Luckily still have it on my phone from forwarding it to a friend
"All 3 refs should be embarrassed to continue falling for this shit... do something about it @bigten - comical at this point."
Followed by 17 sec video of the shot and Davison kicking out his leg 2 different angles slow mo.
Asshat. Didn't the refs explain they called it because of contact with the hip?
you seemingly forget that for him to play he must take time from someone else. Someone with more upside, someone that may actually help this season.
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