Raveling was not at Iowa in the late 80s. Davis was. And both he and Alford had trouble keeping the players they brought in.
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Don't worry. I'll catch upway to bolster your post count with bad grammar corrections.
Fran is an awesome guy, friendly, personable and full of energy as he displays on the recruiting trail. He has a good instinct in finding guys with potential then recruiting them hard. Fran is not the reason some of these guys aren't coming here, I think it has more to do with that we are the state of iowa.
Out of staters see iowa as boring and not hip enough. Win enough games and make some tourney runs would help overcome that stigma.
Out of staters see iowa as boring and not hip enough. Win enough games and make some tourney runs would help overcome that stigma.
It will happen. I have faith in Fran. He has the borders sealed up tight. Others outside the state are taking notice.
This season looks good, and the near future looks very good. Coach Mac will start reeling them in. Hopefully Cook is the start of that.
Probably. Although Rakocevic is still out there and some have him favoring Iowa. In '17, I like Theo John.
Talk about silent. Haven't heard anything about him all summer. Maybe he had a bad summer and is losing interest from schools?
The Mizzou boards and the blog that is the Mizzou version of BHGP are beginning to think Cook is an Iowa lean now that they're inviting some other bigs in for visits, like Reed Nikko.
In other news, Santos is attending Sunrise Christian in KS this year and will have visits to Oklahoma and Wichita. We must have backed way off when he got hurt.
Alford signed higher ranked players, Fran has signed better players. Pretty indisputable.
Rumors going around that it's Iowa or Florida for Cook unless someone like Arkansas can sway him. I like Iowa's chances here based on relationship, academics, playing time and a comfortable distance from home.
One thought on comparing Fran's recruits to Raveling's and Davis's recruits. Today, there is so much AAU basketball to compare the talent of high school players, the rankings are usually fairly accurate. The rankings back then were not nearly as accurate. I remember a couple of Iowa recruits who were highly thought of that did not pan out. Same with every other school. Today, these rankings are usually fairly accurate.
Raveling was the man when it came to recruiting. Not so much in other phases of coaching. Lute was starting to get elite recruits in last few years at Iowa and continued at AZ. Davis had some solid classes, but not consistently at the level of late Lute and Raveling. Until his last couple of years, wonder boy was doing very well at attracting highly ranked recruits, but he could keep them on the court or in the program. Lick was just a bad mistake. Fran has a great eye for talent and seems to spot unrecognized talent before most other programs. He still needs to overcome the "it's only Iowa" thing that makes it hard to close on top recruits, even when they like him and the program. Fran is making progress in Chicago and with top HS programs, so there is reason to be optimistic. Even the "fall back" players have been pretty damn good.
Recker, Worley, Evans, Reiner, and smith come to the top of my head without looking it up.
Pierce was the big one. Brunner, Haluska, Horner, and Hansen to add to your list. Alford was a good recruiter. I didn't like the team chemistry or in game coaching.
Those guys stunk.
Give me Gabe over Evans
Give me Woody over Riener
Give me White over Worley
Give me Marble over Recker
And Smith? Lol, he was a great Hawkeye wasn't he.
I don't want to bag on former Hawkeyes but a lot of his former players were scabs. Brunner was solid, but him and White would be splitting hairs. Not only that, but these are Iowa guys. Alford could only land guys who were loyal to the state and the Hawkeyes. He was a HORRIBLE recruiter. HORRIBLE.
I'm with you that Fran brought in better talent....but jesus god, no to this.
Alford's first real class (his second year) was considered a top 5 class in the entire country. He was horrible at managing the team and making fans like him, but he was a good recruiter until his final couple of years, after fans had turned against him.
Evans had no offense. Gabe had some offense. And really should have been a starter. And he could hit free throws. Gabe, IMO, in college was a better all around player.
LMFAO, sorry man, but Alford didn't have any top 5 class. He was recruiting very, very average guys. And was suppose to bring in Indiana talent, and only brought is scabs.
I will give you White over Worley, although Worley was more highly regarded coming out of HS. Had Gabe redshirted, I think he would have been a stud this year, but Evans is an absolute brute on the boards and was considered maybe the top JC power forward when he was recruited. Reiner was injured his last two years, or he would have had a great shot at being all conference. Woody is a solid center. Marble played better his final year than Recker, but Recker never fully recovered from his injuries before he came to Iowa.
Not trying to knock recent players at all, but Alford brought in some potentially great players. He just couldn't develop them, had some bad luck with injuries, and couldn't manage the team worth a damn. Give Fran Alford's recruits and you would have had a much higher opinion of the players.
He sucked. We should have kept Davis. Great coach up until Jan, but he was completely outclassed in the BIG 10.
Seems like your FA does a lot of thinking for you too
I am no fan a Alford, who ended up being mostly a failure at Iowa, but you don't know what you are talking about.
Seems like your FA does a lot of thinking for you too
Are you a polish a turd type of guy? Because Alford was all sizzle, no steak. The recruits some of you are quoting are/were regional scabs. Fran has basketball connections and casts a bigger net. Its just a matter of time before he starts reeling in the big ones. Bo Ryans recruiting got better, the more he established the brand. If you build it, they will come.
Lol. Reggie Evans averaged 15 points for his career and put up 1000 points. IN TWO YEARS.
Put down your drugs pipe.
I don't care what Reggie Evan averaged. He cant shoot or couldn't shoot. He was only an offensive threat on put backs. Also, Evan averaging 15 a game is a reflection of how poor the talent at Iowa was, under Alford.
And nice argument. Evans was a starter and Gabe came off the bench.
Reggie Evans also went on to have a fifteen year (and counting!) NBA career, but you're probably right. Gabe all the way.
You don't want to bag on former players but you say several stunk and were scabs. Got it.
I don't care what he does in the pros. I only care about Iowa.
Think of it this way, we missed so many shots, Reggie Evans scored 15 PPG. lol
I would take evans over gabe any day, guy was a beast. He would have been a starter this last year no doubt. Although if I remember correctly he was kinda a black hole, once someone threw it down low to him it wasn't coming back out which I remember aggravating me some. Gabe was good but pretty inconsistent and kinda a fumble fingers sometimes. With evans you knew what you were gonna get night in and night out.
Don't make me do it then. Just agree, Fran is the best coach since Olson, and that the talent he gets is better than the last 3 coaches. Then I wont have to bag on former players. Simple
We shot 45.7% Reggie's senior year, and 43.1% last year.
You're not a smart person.
And? What does that have to do with all his points coming off put backs and lay ups? So we missed 55% of the time, giving him a 50/50 shot at a put back? Ok? lol
You are tying to hard by hanging onto one phrase. You are so far in the forest, you cant see the trees. I will help you out and we will break it down nice and easy.
Did Reggie Evans have a good jump shot?
I will wait for you to process that one and answer before I move to fast for you.
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