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Just an off-season conversation starter.
Rank the defending champs on the likelihood of bringing home another championship this year.
1- most likely
7- least likely
For me it’s
1- Nolf
2- Spencer
3- Zahid
4- Bo
5- Cenzo
6- Yianni
7- Gross
No the chances of him being a shoe in to win the next title depend on Fix.So the chances of Spencer winning another NCAA Championship depends on what Fix does? Bullshit.
Top five are heavy favorites:
1- Nolf, no one close to him at 157.
2- Spencer, only Fix has a chance.
3- Cenzo, hate to say it but I am done doubting him. He rolled through IMar and now there isn't an IMar.
4- Bo, could be higher but if he's changing weights maybe some of his funk gets neutralized a little.
5- Yianni, could be higher but is injury prone.
The last two are 50/50 chances:
6- Gross, toss up with Suriano.
7- Zahid, toss up with Hall.
Fix is gonna get piss pounded by Lee in Folk. A tri-pod is a TD and Fix won't get out from bottom.No the chances of him being a shoe in to win the next title depend on Fix.
Personally, I don't think Suriano has enough offense to beat Gross. Fix' best chance to be a multi timer is definitely going @ 133.If fix goes up I say gross is 3rd.
Fix suriano is gonna be a great final if he goes 133.
Yeah Im not sure why everyone has Suriano and Fix above Gross. Until one of them dethrone him, Gross is the man to beat and it will not be a walk in the park for Either one of them.I am still going to stick with Gross. Best in all positions.
I’m looking at his match against Wilson and Micic at NCAAs last year. If they don’t get turned they both win against Gross because they are better on their feet. I’d pick Micic to win the weight next year.I am still going to stick with Gross. Best in all positions.
Especially for Fix, I’d say, because he hasn’t traditionally been great on the bottom, and he’s much shorter than Gross. I think Gross would take it to him on top.Yeah Im not sure why everyone has Suriano and Fix above Gross. Until one of them dethrone him, Gross is the man to beat and it will not be a walk in the park for Either one of them.
So the chances of Spencer winning another NCAA Championship depends on what Fix does? Bullshit.
Can we let him compete this season before we write him in as a top p4p guyI know your hate is strong, but please read a little closer. The fact that I still put him over Gross and Joseph makes it pretty clear that I still consider him a favorite. It's just Fix is no joke. If Gable can lose to Owings or LMac can lose to Marianetti or Metcalf to Caldwell then it is more than fair to say Fix lowers Spencer's chances more so than anyone lowers Nolf's or Martin lowers Nickal's, or Hall lowers Valencia's or even anyone at 141 over Yianni without a knee injury.
To be clear, I think Lee will prove to be in the Top 3 lb for lb this year with Nolf and Zahid, followed closely by Nickal and Yianni. It is just that Fix belongs very close to that 2nd group.
Can we let him compete this season before we write him in as a top p4p guy
I agree with his results in free I just dont think his best moves transfer as well to colllege level folk. He will be a force I just think he is 3-5 guy at 133 this year and SL majors him every time if they meet this seasonSometimes you can just see someone is really good. He did have a couple nice wins over Bresser and Fausz. Also, I know Freestyle doesn't automatically transfer, but his results were beyond impressive at the Senior level as a freshman.
I’m looking at his match against Wilson and Micic at NCAAs last year. If they don’t get turned they both win against Gross because they are better on their feet. I’d pick Micic to win the weight next year.
This is how I look at: when it is all said and done if we were to make a Mt. Rushmore of college wrestlers Spencer Lee will be one of the 4 faces on that. Carl would be on there too, hate the dude but he is/was the best ever.
Current Mt. Rushmore
Carl
Stiebler
Dake
Pat Smith
No Gable?!?!? Not sure I agree with that!
I know it was difficult for me to not put him on there, but these are the only 4 time national champions and he lost his final match ever. An argument could be made that he should be on there I would be fine with that 100%. But who would you replace- I would probably say Dake but damn not putting a four time champion on there would be difficult to do.No Gable?!?!? Not sure I agree with that!
I don't hate. I just have a strong dislike.I know your hate is strong, but please read a little closer. The fact that I still put him over Gross and Joseph makes it pretty clear that I still consider him a favorite. It's just Fix is no joke. If Gable can lose to Owings or LMac can lose to Marianetti or Metcalf to Caldwell then it is more than fair to say Fix lowers Spencer's chances more so than anyone lowers Nolf's or Martin lowers Nickal's, or Hall lowers Valencia's or even anyone at 141 over Yianni without a knee injury.
To be clear, I think Lee will prove to be in the Top 3 lb for lb this year with Nolf and Zahid, followed closely by Nickal and Yianni. It is just that Fix belongs very close to that 2nd group.
Personally, I don't think Suriano has enough offense to beat Gross. Fix' best chance to be a multi timer is definitely going @ 133.
Just a reminder. Hall is a two time finalist with one title. Valencia has looked great wrestling in this year's finals and post season competition, but that is two posts where you belittle the capability of a recent champion to compete for another championship.I know your hate is strong, but please read a little closer. The fact that I still put him over Gross and Joseph makes it pretty clear that I still consider him a favorite. It's just Fix is no joke. If Gable can lose to Owings or LMac can lose to Marianetti or Metcalf to Caldwell then it is more than fair to say Fix lowers Spencer's chances more so than anyone lowers Nolf's or Martin lowers Nickal's, or Hall lowers Valencia's or even anyone at 141 over Yianni without a knee injury.
To be clear, I think Lee will prove to be in the Top 3 lb for lb this year with Nolf and Zahid, followed closely by Nickal and Yianni. It is just that Fix belongs very close to that 2nd group.
Hall will never beat Zahid in folk style again.Just a reminder. Hall is a two time finalist with one title. Valencia has looked great wrestling in this year's finals and post season competition, but that is two posts where you belittle the capability of a recent champion to compete for another championship.
Spencer does not have to beat any recent champs, nor does Gross, Yianni, Nolf or Cenzo. I have no idea where Martin may go, but if he were at Bo's weight Bo would have to beat a recent champ, but Bo is 7-2 against Martin. Valencia and Hall are 1 - 1.
Just saying you seem to be a bit dismissive of Hall.
We will see. Of course if Valencia were to go 184 it becomes a safer statement.Hall will never beat Zahid in folk style again.
Hall and PSU fans are praying he does.We will see. Of course if Valencia were to go 184 it becomes a safer statement.