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Diaper Joe is Stinking it Up

‘We’ve all enabled the situation’: Dems turn on Biden’s inner sanctum post debate​


The senior team’s management of Biden has grown more strictly controlled as his term has gone on.


Over the course of his presidency, Joe Biden’s small clutch of advisers have built an increasingly protective circle around him, limiting his exposure to the media and outside advice — an effort to manage public perceptions of the oldest person to ever hold the office and tightly control his political operation.

But inside the White House, Biden’s growing limitations were becoming apparent long before his meltdown in last week’s debate, with the senior team’s management of the president growing more strictly controlled as his term has gone on. During meetings with aides who are putting together formal briefings they’ll deliver to Biden, some senior officials have at times gone to great lengths to curate the information being presented in an effort to avoid provoking a negative reaction.

“It’s like, ‘You can’t include that, that will set him off,’ or ‘Put that in, he likes that,’” said one senior administration official. “It’s a Rorschach test, not a briefing. Because he is not a pleasant person to be around when he’s being briefed. It’s very difficult, and people are scared shitless of him.”




The official said, “He doesn’t take advice from anyone other than those few top aides, and it becomes a perfect storm because he just gets more and more isolated from their efforts to control it.”
The debate, however, was so dismal for Biden that nobody could ignore it. For as furiously as Biden’s advisers have pushed back on concerns about his age, the now 81-year-old president’s halting, soft-spoken and scattered responses to former President Donald Trump, 78, shattered the party’s magical thinking on the subject. That the president’s difficulties came as such a shock was largely the result of how effectively his top aides and the White House on the whole has, for three and a half years, kept him in a cocoon — far away from cameras, questions and more intense public scrutiny.
Even the president’s family, which gathered Sunday at Camp David for a previously scheduled portrait session with photographer Annie Leibovitz and private conversations about where to go from here, was pointing the finger at long-standing members of the senior team: senior adviser Anita Dunn, one of several proponents of the earlier debate, and former chief of staff Ron Klain, who oversaw the week of debate prep at Camp David. But Biden himself told those aides he wasn’t blaming them, according to a person familiar with the conversation.

“The whole planning, preparation was political malpractice,” Democratic megadonor John Morgan said in an interview, laying blame on “the cabal” of the president’s closest aides, including Klain, Dunn and her husband, Biden’s personal lawyer, Bob Bauer. “I think he has a misplaced trust in these three people, and I believe he has from the inception.”

It’s not just those aides. Democrats frustrated with Biden’s insular senior team are well acquainted with the longtime aides who continue to have the president’s ear: Mike Donilon, Steve Ricchetti and Bruce Reed, as well as Ted Kaufman and Klain on the outside. “It’s the same people — he has not changed those people for 40 years,” said one Democratic operative and close adviser to several members of Congress, who blamed the entire group for refusing to shift course even as Biden trailed Trump for months in the polls. “All these guys running the campaign from the White House is not working.”

As a Democratic strategist in a battleground state put it: “The number of people who have access to the president has gotten smaller and smaller and smaller. They’ve been digging deeper into the bunker for months now.” And, the strategist said, “the more you get into the bunker, the less you listen to anyone.”

This article was based on interviews with more than two dozen people, most of whom were granted anonymity to speak candidly about a sensitive subject. The White House disputed the characterization of Biden as isolated, asserting that he frequently seeks input from policy and political staff and that briefings often include as many as eight to 10 people. They specifically disputed the claim that Biden is protected from dissenting opinions, noting that it’s been the job of a staff secretary in every administration to make sure the president gets all of the information he needs and nothing extraneous. Senior deputy press secretary Andrew Bates denied that briefing materials have been curated to avoid upsetting Biden, calling that suggestion “false.”

But now, after Biden’s abysmal performance in the first debate, even some White House staffers are among a growing group of Democratic lawmakers, fundraisers, operatives and activists who have concluded — with sudden clarity — that the cloistered Biden inner sanctum itself is to blame for their current predicament.

By the time Biden’s campaign proposed two debates with Trump, many White House staffers had no idea it was in the works, according to three administration officials. The plan and quiet negotiations with networks had been especially tightly held by the president’s small inner circle, spread between the West Wing and his Wilmington-based campaign headquarters.

“Everyone was told this was for the best,” said a White House staffer. “Now, it’s the worst possible outcome. And we’re all trying to figure out why the people who know him best and make all the decisions didn’t seem to anticipate that this might happen.”

Following the debate, the pervasive view throughout much of the party is of Biden’s inner circle as an impenetrable group of enablers who deluded themselves about his ability to run again even as they’ve assiduously worked to accommodate his limitations and shield them from view.

For months, that mostly worked. Democrats’ strong 2022 showing, Biden’s top aides claimed, offered validation for his reelection bid, helping shut down credible primary challenges and spurring the Democratic National Committee to reshuffle the early state calendar to Biden’s benefit. When aides to the president suggested he was the best and only candidate who could beat Trump, few pushed back.

“The fact is, there wasn’t an open dialogue about whether he should run except for the people who would benefit from him running,” said a Democratic operative close to the campaign. They described the inner circle, Donilon especially, as convinced “that this was going to be about Trump, not about Biden, and at the end of the day, people just wouldn’t vote for Trump. But here we are, we’re sitting in July, and the race is about Biden, and it’s about a trait you can’t fix.”

Two Biden officials disputed that characterization of Donilon’s point of view. One prominent Biden donor in close touch with the White House and campaign was more circumspect: “We’ve all enabled the situation,” they said.

No one has done more to keep the president isolated — and shielded from tough conversations — than his wife, first lady Jill Biden, and sister, Valerie Biden Owens. The president’s determination to spend weekends at home in Wilmington, away from most aides and the formal trappings of the White House, may be the clearest manifestation of Biden’s strong preference for familiarity and privacy.

Most aides who have worked for Biden for any significant length of time share the president’s own resentments about an elite political and media class that has never, in their view, given him his due. And they tend to view Biden’s debate meltdown and the ensuing party-wide freak-out about his candidacy as just another moment of being counted out. Their recent experience — Biden’s 2020 win and the Democrats’ history-defying midterm success in 2022 — has many convinced that he’ll survive this, too.

 

‘We’ve all enabled the situation’: Dems turn on Biden’s inner sanctum post debate​


The senior team’s management of Biden has grown more strictly controlled as his term has gone on.


Over the course of his presidency, Joe Biden’s small clutch of advisers have built an increasingly protective circle around him, limiting his exposure to the media and outside advice — an effort to manage public perceptions of the oldest person to ever hold the office and tightly control his political operation.

But inside the White House, Biden’s growing limitations were becoming apparent long before his meltdown in last week’s debate, with the senior team’s management of the president growing more strictly controlled as his term has gone on. During meetings with aides who are putting together formal briefings they’ll deliver to Biden, some senior officials have at times gone to great lengths to curate the information being presented in an effort to avoid provoking a negative reaction.

“It’s like, ‘You can’t include that, that will set him off,’ or ‘Put that in, he likes that,’” said one senior administration official. “It’s a Rorschach test, not a briefing. Because he is not a pleasant person to be around when he’s being briefed. It’s very difficult, and people are scared shitless of him.”




The official said, “He doesn’t take advice from anyone other than those few top aides, and it becomes a perfect storm because he just gets more and more isolated from their efforts to control it.”
The debate, however, was so dismal for Biden that nobody could ignore it. For as furiously as Biden’s advisers have pushed back on concerns about his age, the now 81-year-old president’s halting, soft-spoken and scattered responses to former President Donald Trump, 78, shattered the party’s magical thinking on the subject. That the president’s difficulties came as such a shock was largely the result of how effectively his top aides and the White House on the whole has, for three and a half years, kept him in a cocoon — far away from cameras, questions and more intense public scrutiny.
Even the president’s family, which gathered Sunday at Camp David for a previously scheduled portrait session with photographer Annie Leibovitz and private conversations about where to go from here, was pointing the finger at long-standing members of the senior team: senior adviser Anita Dunn, one of several proponents of the earlier debate, and former chief of staff Ron Klain, who oversaw the week of debate prep at Camp David. But Biden himself told those aides he wasn’t blaming them, according to a person familiar with the conversation.

“The whole planning, preparation was political malpractice,” Democratic megadonor John Morgan said in an interview, laying blame on “the cabal” of the president’s closest aides, including Klain, Dunn and her husband, Biden’s personal lawyer, Bob Bauer. “I think he has a misplaced trust in these three people, and I believe he has from the inception.”

It’s not just those aides. Democrats frustrated with Biden’s insular senior team are well acquainted with the longtime aides who continue to have the president’s ear: Mike Donilon, Steve Ricchetti and Bruce Reed, as well as Ted Kaufman and Klain on the outside. “It’s the same people — he has not changed those people for 40 years,” said one Democratic operative and close adviser to several members of Congress, who blamed the entire group for refusing to shift course even as Biden trailed Trump for months in the polls. “All these guys running the campaign from the White House is not working.”

As a Democratic strategist in a battleground state put it: “The number of people who have access to the president has gotten smaller and smaller and smaller. They’ve been digging deeper into the bunker for months now.” And, the strategist said, “the more you get into the bunker, the less you listen to anyone.”

This article was based on interviews with more than two dozen people, most of whom were granted anonymity to speak candidly about a sensitive subject. The White House disputed the characterization of Biden as isolated, asserting that he frequently seeks input from policy and political staff and that briefings often include as many as eight to 10 people. They specifically disputed the claim that Biden is protected from dissenting opinions, noting that it’s been the job of a staff secretary in every administration to make sure the president gets all of the information he needs and nothing extraneous. Senior deputy press secretary Andrew Bates denied that briefing materials have been curated to avoid upsetting Biden, calling that suggestion “false.”

But now, after Biden’s abysmal performance in the first debate, even some White House staffers are among a growing group of Democratic lawmakers, fundraisers, operatives and activists who have concluded — with sudden clarity — that the cloistered Biden inner sanctum itself is to blame for their current predicament.

By the time Biden’s campaign proposed two debates with Trump, many White House staffers had no idea it was in the works, according to three administration officials. The plan and quiet negotiations with networks had been especially tightly held by the president’s small inner circle, spread between the West Wing and his Wilmington-based campaign headquarters.

“Everyone was told this was for the best,” said a White House staffer. “Now, it’s the worst possible outcome. And we’re all trying to figure out why the people who know him best and make all the decisions didn’t seem to anticipate that this might happen.”

Following the debate, the pervasive view throughout much of the party is of Biden’s inner circle as an impenetrable group of enablers who deluded themselves about his ability to run again even as they’ve assiduously worked to accommodate his limitations and shield them from view.

For months, that mostly worked. Democrats’ strong 2022 showing, Biden’s top aides claimed, offered validation for his reelection bid, helping shut down credible primary challenges and spurring the Democratic National Committee to reshuffle the early state calendar to Biden’s benefit. When aides to the president suggested he was the best and only candidate who could beat Trump, few pushed back.

“The fact is, there wasn’t an open dialogue about whether he should run except for the people who would benefit from him running,” said a Democratic operative close to the campaign. They described the inner circle, Donilon especially, as convinced “that this was going to be about Trump, not about Biden, and at the end of the day, people just wouldn’t vote for Trump. But here we are, we’re sitting in July, and the race is about Biden, and it’s about a trait you can’t fix.”

Two Biden officials disputed that characterization of Donilon’s point of view. One prominent Biden donor in close touch with the White House and campaign was more circumspect: “We’ve all enabled the situation,” they said.

No one has done more to keep the president isolated — and shielded from tough conversations — than his wife, first lady Jill Biden, and sister, Valerie Biden Owens. The president’s determination to spend weekends at home in Wilmington, away from most aides and the formal trappings of the White House, may be the clearest manifestation of Biden’s strong preference for familiarity and privacy.

Most aides who have worked for Biden for any significant length of time share the president’s own resentments about an elite political and media class that has never, in their view, given him his due. And they tend to view Biden’s debate meltdown and the ensuing party-wide freak-out about his candidacy as just another moment of being counted out. Their recent experience — Biden’s 2020 win and the Democrats’ history-defying midterm success in 2022 — has many convinced that he’ll survive this, too.

He sounds like Trump, tbh.
 
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Yet while the campaign has sought to reassure top donors and activists, there’s been little outreach to Democrats on Capitol Hill, where some front-line members are already being targeted with TV ads casting their support of Biden against his debate performance.

“I think the Biden team is pretty insular and doesn’t really care what anybody says,” said one senior House Democrat, who described a palpable and growing fear among vulnerable Democrats that they may lose because of Biden.

“There’s definitely groupthink,” one Democratic donor-adviser said about Biden’s inner circle. “They’ve known each other a long time. They’re kind of a team of rivals. But they’re not going to challenge him.”

A Democratic operative in frequent communication with the White House and the campaign said suggestions can be quickly dismissed. “If I’m talking to Anita, and I say, ‘what about X?’ She’s quick to say, ‘The president’s not going to do that. No chance.’ It shuts off options, yes, but it also [lets] you move more quickly because they know him so well.”

Another operative painted a similar picture: “They don’t take dissent,” they said. “If you try, then you don’t get invited to the next call, the next meeting.”

White House and campaign aides argued that all presidential administrations or campaigns feature a clutch of top decision-makers, and Biden’s is no different. They also noted that several new faces have been brought in for senior roles, including chief of staff Jeff Zients, campaign chair Jennifer O’Malley Dillon, White House communications director Ben LaBolt, Cedric Richmond, a senior adviser to the DNC, campaign manager Julie Chávez Rodriguez and deputy campaign manager Quentin Fulks.

“In every administration, there are individuals who would prefer to spend more time with the president and senior officials,” Bates said in a statement to POLITICO. “President Biden fights hard for families every day, working with a wide range of team members at what he is proud is the most diverse White House ever — and achieving historic results for the American people because of his determination, values, and experience.”

After publication, Bates provided an additional response, casting complaints about a tightly controlled inner circle as “unfair distortions of processes that exist in every administration,” and saying Biden “actively seeks input from a wide range of individuals inside and outside the administration.”

As Biden’s campaign and prominent Democrats have tried to rally around him amid calls for him to end his bid for a second term, they’ve presented various other explanations (the president had a cold) and scapegoats (CNN’s moderators, senior aides) in an effort to shift the focus away from Biden’s diminished presence and inability to formulate clear responses on the fly and without a teleprompter.

“Even really smart people can fall into wishful thinking,” said the Democratic donor adviser. “Any reasonable person watching the debate would have concerns, and dismissing them is, to a lot of people, patronizing.”

Patrick Gaspard, the CEO of the Democrat-aligned Center for American Progress, said in an interview that Biden can still win in November and that Democrats broadly are likely to stick with him as long as he’s a candidate. But he also suggested the main campaign team should be more open to criticism and advice from outside the circle.

“Campaigns are really long slogs,” he said. “It’s only natural that you start turning to the people who are in tight ranks with you. But at some point, it’s also natural that you then have enough confidence in what you put together to start opening up a bit and pulling other folks in to be helpful.”

In a way, the defensiveness over Biden’s age is muscle memory at this point. The White House press shop has been merciless about working to kill and water down stories focused on the subject, and aggressively attacking holes in them after they’re published, as was the case last month with a lengthy Wall Street Journal report that leaned on GOP lawmakers for a portrayal of how Biden was “slipping.”

Last June, when Biden tripped and fell while on stage at the Air Force Academy’s commencement ceremony, the White House responded in minutes with an explanation: that he simply tripped on a sandbag. But that incident coincided with noticeable adjustments to protocol aimed at avoiding additional stumbles: the president switching to thick-soled sneakers more often and to using the lower, less wobbly stairs when getting on and off Air Force One. And when conservative outlets fixated on a video of Biden walking away from other leaders at the G7 a few weeks ago to suggest he was disoriented, the White House dismissed the coverage as dishonest and slanted.

But the administration’s accommodations to Biden’s age go far deeper than the press shop’s efforts to push reporters off the spot. From the earliest months of his term, Biden was carefully managed by senior adviser to the first lady Anthony Bernal, deputy chief of staff Annie Tomasini, Klain and others. After a campaign spent largely inside his Delaware home, the president remained in a protective bubble at the behest of senior staff and family, who believed it was the best way to manage the president’s health given the ongoing Covid-19 risk and his reelection chances, according to five people familiar but not authorized to publicly discuss internal decisions.

Bernal and Tomasini, in particular, have grown particularly close to the president and first lady. Traveling with the Bidens everywhere they go, the duo often seems to other aides more like an extension of the president’s family than staff — so much so that some aides have joked that “Annie and Anthony will climb into the coffins with [Biden],” according to a person familiar with Biden’s inner circle. Beyond their proximity to the principals, the two aides work closely with White House and campaign staff. They operate as a team and keep a tight grip on the controls, three current and former officials said, often influencing who is in some meetings or on Air Force One flight manifests.

“Covid gave Tomasini and Bernal an opportunity to shield Biden off from the outside world, and it never really changed,” a former administration official said. “It was just understood that only a very small number of aides got face time with him. It is all about how to make the Bidens’ lives easier and safe-guarding their privacy at every [turn].”

At times, Biden himself chafed at the restrictions.

As senator and vice president, he was famous for being readily available for a quote and having off-the-record discussions with reporters. He was known as one of Washington’s most tactile politicians, relishing extended chats with constituents. But suddenly, aides were more nervous about a potential gaffe or senior moment that would dominate headlines, according to the five people familiar with internal decisions. Though he acquiesced to his staff’s suggestions, the president sometimes complained to confidantes about being treated “with kid gloves,” according to two of those people.

Biden’s schedule has also been carefully managed, according to the two people. Very few early morning events are scheduled, and if an evening event was unavoidable, adjustments were made elsewhere to compensate. And while every president’s schedule includes down time on foreign trips, more has often been added to Biden’s itinerary. Earlier this month, he arrived in France a full 24 hours ahead of D-Day anniversary events and spent his first day entirely inside his Paris hotel.

it goes on.....good grief.

 
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There's no way the democrats should trot out a gay or women candidate (even though I would vote for them). I could get behind the governors of IL and KY, but I don't know anything about the PA governor. CA has too much baggage.

Whitmer has won twice in one of the most important swing states.
 
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It was reported yesterday that Joe is being kept isolated. Jill is calling the shots. Only Jill and two or three key staffers have regular access to him. Bins posted this in another thread yesterday.

I'm not surprised, the same thing happened with Reagan. It will get worked out and if Joe steps down or forced to step down, then the debate will be a good thing as it will force biden supporters to be open to switching to another person.
 
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I'm not surprised, the same thing happened with Reagan. It will get worked out and if Joe steps down or forced to step down, then the debate will be a good thing as it will force biden supporters to be open to switching to another person.
In was in HS, but I recall that Reagan’s difficulties were more in the latter stages of his second term. As opposed to here where Biden is up for reelection and we can still do something about it.
 
In was in HS, but I recall that Reagan’s difficulties were more in the latter stages of his second term. As opposed to here where Biden is up for reelection and we can still do something about it.

I was at FSU during his second term. Living fraternity life, I didn't follow the news all that closely. One thing I remember, is an uproar about Nancy Reagan consulting a psychic to help with making decisions for the country.
 
We should be concerned about the remainder of the first term, much less signing up for four more years. I can’t understand why people are ok with that.
Because they are brainwashed and can't see the obvious truth. Also, some like Jill want to desperately hold on to power.
 
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People like you are what's wrong with the democratic party today.

They have no strength, only whining.

Good-bye and enjoy $ucking Trump's Dick (TDS).
And there it is.

As soon as an independent, progressive or liberal expresses the teeniest doubt in Biden’s capacities they are instantly branded MAGAts by HORT’s self-appointed brain trust.

P’soff.
 
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This is where installing Harris as VP has really painted the Ds into a corner. A vote for Joe now is in fact a vote for Harris, who never polled above 3% when she dropped out after Iowa in 2020. I think any D not named or including Harris should beat Trump easily, especially after the latest SCOTUS ruling. It would be easier to name a new choice than the ramifications of replacing Harris at this point...

Edit: pickleball is a perfect outlet for hidden passive/aggressive behavior. Smash an overhand wiffle ball into someone's face then tap paddles, " good game buddy..." ;)
 
you called her fake doctor. You’re turning into MAGA. So I guess you call a DO a fake doctor too. They’re not an MD. You really need to take a break, you’ve insulted anyone with or getting a PHD.
Here’s my “scenario” of a doctor…let’s say you’re on airplane and someone is having a heart attack, so the pilot asks over the speaker…is there a doctor on the plane? I don’t believe Jill Biden would get up, so not a real doctor. 😉
 
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Because they are brainwashed and can't see the obvious truth. Also, some like Jill want to desperately hold on to power.

There you go again with the insults and anger. Nobody is brainwashed. There's a problem and people are trying to determine the best solution to keep trump from getting into office.
 
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This is where installing Harris as VP has really painted the Ds into a corner. A vote for Joe now is in fact a vote for Harris, who never polled above 3% when she dropped out after Iowa in 2020. I think any D not named or including Harris should beat Trump easily, especially after the latest SCOTUS ruling. It would be easier to name a new choice than the ramifications of replacing Harris at this point...

Edit: pickleball is a perfect outlet for hidden passive/aggressive behavior. Smash an overhand wiffle ball into someone's face then tap paddles, " good game buddy..." ;)

I agree, as I said before, at a minimum biden needs to pick a different VP, one that people are ok with as President. For the good of the country Harris should step down and let biden pick someone else (if he stays in the race).
 
Here’s my “scenario” of a doctor…let’s say you’re on airplane and someone is having a heart attack, so the pilot asks over the speaker…is there a doctor on the plane? I don’t believe Jill Biden would get up, so not a real doctor. 😉
Doctor is a general term. Jill is not a medical doctor. Dr. Tom Davis was not a medical doctor but he was still a doctor. If they asked for a doctor on a plane, do you think a DO would get up? I believe they would, but GOHOX doesn't consider them doctors either. You're problem is you're using a generic term "doctor" and making it specific, meaning MD. That's your problem that you can't keep them straight. When people hear the phrase "Is there a doctor in the house", in your mind you're translating that to "someone needs medical assistance". Even in that situation, a Nurse would get up and help. Thanks for your "scenario" because it proved my point, that the word doctor can be used to reference more than just MD's.
 
This is where installing Harris as VP has really painted the Ds into a corner. A vote for Joe now is in fact a vote for Harris, who never polled above 3% when she dropped out after Iowa in 2020. I think any D not named or including Harris should beat Trump easily, especially after the latest SCOTUS ruling. It would be easier to name a new choice than the ramifications of replacing Harris at this point...

Edit: pickleball is a perfect outlet for hidden passive/aggressive behavior. Smash an overhand wiffle ball into someone's face then tap paddles, " good game buddy..." ;)
I'll be there. I've even found my 80's shorts 😉
 
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Are you sure you're qualified to make those statements? I know the MAGA posters will believe you, but for the educated posters, I'm not sure you're the expert you think you are.
LOL

Are you qualified to judge his qualifications?
 
LOL

Are you qualified to judge his qualifications?
If you have been following this thread, GOHOX has no problem questioning the qualifications of other, so I can judge his qualifications too. It's a two way street, but for some reason GOHOX thinks he's on a one-way.
 
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Here’s my “scenario” of a doctor…let’s say you’re on airplane and someone is having a heart attack, so the pilot asks over the speaker…is there a doctor on the plane? I don’t believe Jill Biden would get up, so not a real doctor. 😉
Jill's degree is Doctor of Education (EdD). She also has 2 Masters degrees.

It's typically appropriate to use the title of "Dr." in settings where the title has meaning if the the degree is of a non-medical variety. For instance, in an educational setting, or other professional setting, or where her educational expertise is part of the setting.

Attorneys have a JD, but aren't called Doctor.
 
If you have been following this thread, GOHOX has no problem questioning the qualifications of other, so I can judge his qualifications too. It's a two way street, but for some reason GOHOX thinks he's on a one-way.
I'm just sitting back enjoying watching people turn on GOHOX because he's daring to say the emperor has no clothes.

Ain't nothing changed about him, but now he's "MAGA" and every other invective those who still intend to drink the Kool-Aid can think up.

It's funny to watch.
 
This is where installing Harris as VP has really painted the Ds into a corner. A vote for Joe now is in fact a vote for Harris, who never polled above 3% when she dropped out after Iowa in 2020. I think any D not named or including Harris should beat Trump easily, especially after the latest SCOTUS ruling. It would be easier to name a new choice than the ramifications of replacing Harris at this point...

Edit: pickleball is a perfect outlet for hidden passive/aggressive behavior. Smash an overhand wiffle ball into someone's face then tap paddles, " good game buddy..." ;)

I think Harris briefly peaked at 4%. She spent nearly all of her time as a candidate at 1%. Anyone who thinks she should be the nominee is more than likely related to her.
 
Two interesting observations from CNN, you know that far right wing network.

1. Harry Enten. He put up a poll comparing Reagan's debate screw up (with Mondale), which I saw, versus Biden's, which I saw and puked in my mouth. Even though people thought Reagan was old, only 27% of respondents thought he was too old to run the country, post debate screw up. Compare this to Biden, where a full 65% of respondents thought he was too old PRIOR to the debate, and 72% AFTER the debate. So, you're comparing 27% and 72%. Ironic that the digits are the same but there we are.

2. And David Axelrod, another hard wing right wing nut job (who got Barack in twice). He said elections are not referendums to see how well a person did in the past--assuming Joe did good things from 2020 onwards, but that they are held to see how a person will do in the future and involve trustworthiness between the candidate and the people voting for him. In this instance, it's been a TOTAL LIE. So for all of you Biden kool aid drinkers, even if Joe kicked ass these 4 years, the next 4, if he survives a portion of it, might be a shit show given his physical and mental decline.

Now, come after me. Don't care. These are hard core dem operatives not fox news. Keep drinking the Kool Aid. Where did Mr. Twitter disappear?
 
I'm just sitting back enjoying watching people turn on GOHOX because he's daring to say the emperor has no clothes.

Ain't nothing changed about him, but now he's "MAGA" and every other invective those who still intend to drink the Kool-Aid can think up.

It's funny to watch.

I'd suggest you read better. Nobody said he was MAGA, what someone said was that he's posting crazy angry sh!t like MAGA posters do. Nobody is drinking any Kool-Aid, posters know what's happening with Biden. As I've stated to before it's not what GOHOX is referring to, it's how he's saying it. he goes on the attack and starts with the insults. Since the invasion of Gaza, GOHOX has become angry. But you read into however you like, but what you're saying is wrong.
 
I'd suggest you read better. Nobody said he was MAGA, what someone said was that he's posting crazy angry sh!t like MAGA posters do. Nobody is drinking any Kool-Aid, posters know what's happening with Biden. As I've stated to before it's not what GOHOX is referring to, it's how he's saying it. he goes on the attack and starts with the insults. Since the invasion of Gaza, GOHOX has become angry. But you read into however you like, but what you're saying is wrong.
You're pathetic and amusing.
 
Two interesting observations from CNN, you know that far right wing network.

1. Harry Enten. He put up a poll comparing Reagan's debate screw up (with Mondale), which I saw, versus Biden's, which I saw and puked in my mouth. Even though people thought Reagan was old, only 27% of respondents thought he was too old to run the country, post debate screw up. Compare this to Biden, where a full 65% of respondents thought he was too old PRIOR to the debate, and 72% AFTER the debate. So, you're comparing 27% and 72%. Ironic that the digits are the same but there we are.

2. And David Axelrod, another hard wing right wing nut job (who got Barack in twice). He said elections are not referendums to see how well a person did in the past--assuming Joe did good things from 2020 onwards, but that they are held to see how a person will do in the future and involve trustworthiness between the candidate and the people voting for him. In this instance, it's been a TOTAL LIE. So for all of you Biden kool aid drinkers, even if Joe kicked ass these 4 years, the next 4, if he survives a portion of it, might be a shit show given his physical and mental decline.

Now, come after me. Don't care. These are hard core dem operatives not fox news. Keep drinking the Kool Aid. Where did Mr. Twitter disappear?

Who's drinking what kool-aid? Everyone recognizes that Biden isn't doing well. The difference is, we're not all pissed because we think we've been lied to and then start insulting everyone. You're become a loose cannon and you need to take a break.
 
Who's drinking what kool-aid? Everyone recognizes that Biden isn't doing well. The difference is, we're not all pissed because we think we've been lied to and then start insulting everyone. You're become a loose cannon and you need to take a break.
i call a spade a spade buddy. We've been lied to and you damn well know it. Now go vote for Joe and stfu. Some of us are mad as hell. You can't tell me they didn't know before they trotted him out last thursday. Only an idiot would believe that. You are a milque toast kind of person.
 
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i call a spade a spade buddy. We've been lied to and you damn well know it. Now go vote for Joe and stfu. Some of us are mad as hell. You can't tell me they didn't know before they trotted him out last thursday. Only an idiot would believe that. You are a milque toast kind of person.

I'm voting for anyone who isn't trump, I said I'd even vote for Liz Chaney if needed. Just a little FYI, I have a relative who ended up being hospitalized because he/she kept thinking people were lying to him/her, even when there was no direct connection. The anger kept growing and my relative still battles that anger every day. No one lied to you directly, you need to stop thinking you were lied to, it won't be good for you.
 
I'm voting for anyone who isn't trump, I said I'd even vote for Liz Chaney if needed. Just a little FYI, I have a relative who ended up being hospitalized because he/she kept thinking people were lying to him/her, even when there was no direct connection. The anger kept growing and my relative still battles that anger every day. No one lied to you directly, you need to stop thinking you were lied to, it won't be good for you.
You need a new hobby. Focus on you, not me. Thanks.
 
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