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Ah Hawkeye fans of the great state of Iowa. Say Texas stays the greedy pigs of forever and Oklahoma bolts their piggish neighbors. Of the Big Twelve teams who would be left in the cold, who might Delaney invite inside the friendly confines of the Big Ten den?

Academics and footprint being two of the biggest factors.

1. Oklahoma/ Oklahoma State

2. Texas Tech

3. Kansas/ Kansas State

4. Iowa State

5. TCU


I left out Texas due to their greed and lump them with Notre Dame. Two programs who don't see themselves along with the lowly ilk of the other NCAA teams.

Baylor is out due to their recent issues.

Sound off Iowa and let your opinions be heard. The season is almost here and then we can talk of more substantial things like games.
 
If another team opts to leave the big 12, I think it will finally be over. OK will have to take OSU and I would think would be top pick. They will go to one of the big 3 quickly and likely have their choice. Grabbing Texas schools would be the next logical choice IMO.
Texas will likely go to the ACC with ND to keep their network. The network is not making money, but it is for UT. The question is....does that force a logical tragedy for ND and the independence concept? 4 super conferences creates a logical playoff structure. ND gets a shot now despite not being a conference champ...does that cease?
 
paednoch23 said:
cant wait to hear southern Iowa clown chime in. Delusion.
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So I will, you take OU and Kansas, Texas will never give up the LHN, T. Tech, does not have the academics to get in, just like OST or KST or W. V. ISU has the academics but with Iowa in the conference brings in no new TV's. But it the roles were reversed the same would hold true for Iowa, the big 12 would already have a team in the state and would not need or take Iowa. Good enough?
 
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Southerniowacy said:
So I will, you take OU and Kansas, Texas will never give up the LHN, T. Tech, does not have the academics to get in, just like OST or KST or W. V. ISU has the academics but with Iowa in the conference brings in no new TV's. But it the roles were reversed the same would hold true for Iowa, the big 12 would already have a team in the state and would not need or take Iowa. Good enough?
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The Big 12 surviving and the Big Ten going down WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

Leave it to delusional isu grad to even put that forth.
 
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ISU has the academic credentials to fit in the B1G? No med school. Marginal at best. If OU can boost its.academic.profile, we would likely pick up OU and Kansas. ISU would officially be a mid-major which is what they have actually been for decades.
 
I don't think the B10 would take any. Just look at the last two expansion moves and it'll tell you everything you need to know about the B10's interest. Mayland and Rutgers are East Coast, they're prestigious reasearch institutes, they're even Public Ivys. Face it, Virginia is the next in line for the B10, with North Carolina and Notre Dame high candidates.

Also, I don't think the Big 12 goes anywhere if Oklahoma leaves, not in the first few years anyway. Let's run throught the scenerio that Oklahoma leaves, the first question to answer is where do they go. I don't think the B10, PAC, or ACC takes them due to acedemics not being up to par. This leaves the SEC (and even if I'm wrong and the any of the other conferences are interested, I think Oklahoma ends up here anyway). The SEC then has 15 members, you have to assume they expand to 16, my guess is they go after either a second Big 12 school not named Texas, one of the Virginia schools, or a North Carolina school. I don't think any of the North Carolina schools bolt, I don't think Virginia would bolt, but Virginia Tech might.

In the scenerio that it's a second Big 12 school I don't think any major alignment happens outside of the two SEC additions, but if the SEC would take an ACC school all bets are off as I could see the B10 going after some ACC schools as well (or possibly try to play Notre Dames hand into joining).

Just looking at the scenerio that the SEC goes after two Big 12 schools, my question is does Texas panic and bolt too? Every time I ask that question I can't come up with a reason why they would. I don't think Texas would be left out of any National Title conversations, I don't see another conference willing to give Texas as much power as they currently have, and the geography for Texas is best in the Big 12 vs any other option besides the SEC. Which Texas already said they'd prefer to be in an academicly prestigious conference and the SEC would have A&M, Missouri, and Oklahoma fighting tooth and nail to keep them out.

Now if in the future Texas doesn't return to relevancy and either the Big 12 starts to lose it's prestige of being a power conference, or A&M starts becoming the primier Texas school then Texas might try and bolt. But leaving a conference where you have everything going your way just because the second most powerful school in the conference leaves seems too reactionary.
 
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ISU has the academic credentials to fit in the B1G? No med school. Marginal at best. If OU can boost its.academic.profile, we would likely pick up OU and Kansas. ISU would officially be a mid-major which is what they have actually been for decades.
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Actually the three schools, Oklahoma, Kansas and ISU were tied for the 70 ranked university in the last ranking by US news and world report. Kansas and ISU are AAU schools, while Oklahoma is not currently. ISU is not Harvard or Yale, but they are also not a mid major like you suggest. It does not matter, the big 10 would not take ISU because its brings no new tvs, not because of Academics. The better question is if the league wanted to add ISU, would Iowa oppose them?
 
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MITCH492 said:
OU and Kansas.

The only two to bring something to the B1G, and OU is questionable at that.

Texas is a bad, bad, bad dream.
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You realize if the Big Ten had the choice between Iowa and Oklahoma, they'd drop you in a second right?
 
Southerniowacy said:
Actually the three schools, Oklahoma, Kansas and ISU were tied for the 70 ranked university in the last ranking by US news and world report. Kansas and ISU are AAU schools, while Oklahoma is not currently. ISU is not Harvard or Yale, but they are also not a mid major like you suggest. It does not matter, the big 10 would not take ISU because its brings no new tvs, not because of Academics. The better question is if the league wanted to add ISU, would Iowa oppose them?
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Of course they would. As they should.
 
PlutoDroid said:
Ah Hawkeye fans of the great state of Iowa. Say Texas stays the greedy pigs of forever and Oklahoma bolts their piggish neighbors. Of the Big Twelve teams who would be left in the cold, who might Delaney invite inside the friendly confines of the Big Ten den?

Academics and footprint being two of the biggest factors.

1. Oklahoma/ Oklahoma State

2. Texas Tech

3. Kansas/ Kansas State

4. Iowa State

5. TCU


I left out Texas due to their greed and lump them with Notre Dame. Two programs who don't see themselves along with the lowly ilk of the other NCAA teams.

Baylor is out due to their recent issues.

Sound off Iowa and let your opinions be heard. The season is almost here and then we can talk of more substantial things like games.
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Iowa state? WTH would you even list them? They wouldn't even be given a courtesy call let alone enter the discussion in any way whatsoever. They bring zero to the table. Less than zero
 
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MacroCy said:
You realize if the Big Ten had the choice between Iowa and Oklahoma, they'd drop you in a second right?
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You do realize if big 12 could drop isu in favor of anyone other power 5 school in the Midwest or south they probably would. Thing is if big 12 ever folded isu would be on the bottom of the list when it comes to several factors on taking a big 12 school.
 
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Southerniowacy said:
Why would they? What does iowa have to fear by ISU going the conference? They are already playing, Iowa has more money, why would not vote for ISU if the invited from the conference was there?
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Because, as you indicated, Iowa has more money and is in the more prestigious conference. There's no reason they should want to share either of those things with an in state rival. From a conference perspective, those reasons have already been hashed out.
 
Saint Louis Attorney said:
What would the B12 do if the could swap ISU for Iowa? What would the B1G do if they could pick between the two?
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Iowa brings a bit more to the table than ISU, so either conference would certainly take Iowa. What if we just did away with conferences and everybody became independent?
 
StormHawk42 said:
Because, as you indicated, Iowa has more money and is in the more prestigious conference. There's no reason they should want to share either of those things with an in state rival. From a conference perspective, those reasons have already been hashed out.
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I hear what you are saying, I also see a lot of people on here saying that ISU is NOT their rival, so why would they oppose ISU joining the conference if the invite was offered by the league. Now, there is no way this is ever going to happen, but say, ND finally said they wanted in, and Kansas and Oklahoma could not get away from their sister schools, and the conference said, we will offer ISU. Do you think Iowa would go against the BOR and vote against it? Reason I figure the BOR would like ISU in the big 10 as it places them in a more stable conference.
 
Southerniowacy said:
I hear what you are saying, I also see a lot of people on here saying that ISU is NOT their rival, so why would they oppose ISU joining the conference if the invite was offered by the league. Now, there is no way this is ever going to happen, but say, ND finally said they wanted in, and Kansas and Oklahoma could not get away from their sister schools, and the conference said, we will offer ISU. Do you think Iowa would go against the BOR and vote against it? Reason I figure the BOR would like ISU in the big 10 as it places them in a more stable conference.
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Because it will benefit Iowa immensely when ISU falls out of power 5. Now I'm mad at myself for responding to that question. Bad Dead Pool!
 
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No way in hell will the B1G ever offer ISU. If the Big 12 dissolves, Clownies will not be in a power conference. End of discussion.
 
WORTHYWISH said:
No way in hell will the B1G ever offer ISU. If the Big 12 dissolves, Clownies will not be in a power conference. End of discussion.
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isu will stay in the Texas Ten. The question is whether or not the Texas Ten is a power conference or more like the MAC.
 
iahawkeyes17 said:
You do realize if big 12 could drop isu in favor of anyone other power 5 school in the Midwest or south they probably would. Thing is if big 12 ever folded isu would be on the bottom of the list when it comes to several factors on taking a big 12 school.
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Unfortunately yes. Making major progress with facilities and an incredibly loyal fan base, but terrible history in football and lack of TV sets are facts one can't deny.

Saying Oklahoma would be more coveted than Iowa is not an insult. It is just the truth. It is insane to think otherwise. Surely there are Iowa fans on here that can see that?
 
MacroCy said:
Unfortunately yes. Making major progress with facilities and an incredibly loyal fan base, but terrible history in football and lack of TV sets are facts one can't deny.

Saying Oklahoma would be more coveted than Iowa is not an insult. It is just the truth. It is insane to think otherwise. Surely there are Iowa fans on here that can see that?
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Of course Oklahoma is more coveted. But the B1G is not going to kick out members. Besides, there are only so many schools to pick from that fit their academic requirements. Iowa is one. OU is not, although they may let it slide. I'm sure they'd rather grab ND and Texas first.
 
StormHawk42 said:
Of course Oklahoma is more coveted. But the B1G is not going to kick out members. Besides, there are only so many schools to pick from that fit their academic requirements. Iowa is one. OU is not, although they may let it slide. I'm sure they'd rather grab ND and Texas first.
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I don't disagree with anything you just said, and of course they're not kicking out Iowa. Though I don't think academics are very important anymore. They proved that when they took Nebraska.

It's stunning though that there Hawk fans who don't understand your first statement.

ICU81222 called me delusional for making the very same point.
 
MacroCy said:
I don't disagree with anything you just said, and of course they're not kicking out Iowa. Though I don't think academics are very important anymore. They proved that when they took Nebraska.

It's stunning though that there Hawk fans who don't understand your first statement.

ICU81222 called me delusional for making the very same point.
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I'll probably get slammed for it, but I don't really care. This whole discussion is theoretical anyway. However, OU would probably be more coveted than many schools in the B1G, not just Iowa. Just so we're clear there.
 
MacroCy said:
I don't disagree with anything you just said, and of course they're not kicking out Iowa. Though I don't think academics are very important anymore. They proved that when they took Nebraska.

It's stunning though that there Hawk fans who don't understand your first statement.

ICU81222 called me delusional for making the very same point.
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He calls you delusional and says never in a million years for thinking they would pick Oklahoma over Iowa, you say they will never kick Iowa out. Sounds like you two agree on this, not sure why you are offended by being called delusional. You say they would pick someone in a situation that would never happen. With out looking delusional up isn't that close?
 
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Big12 schools that don't have a chance in hell of getting a B1G golden ticket:

Iowa State
Baylor
TCU
Ok State
West Virginia
Kansas State
Texas Tech

Anyone that suggests that any of these schools could join the league should be promptly ignored. These schools can't make a valid argument that they bring value to the B1G.

I don't think the B1G wants to mess with Texas/LHN, so they're out. OU doesn't have the academic clout to join, so their out. KU could be a candidate because of their AAU standing, however, they are a small population state and have historically awful football so their out.

The B1G wants to expand into SEC country. They'll probably raid the ACC when it comes down to it. Virginia/Ga Tech/UNC are likely the top tier schools on the B1G short list.
 
The big 12 distributed more money than the ACC and PAC 12 this year to member institutions. There are truly only two completely solid conferences, the SEC and Big 10.
 
ISUBryce said:
The big 12 distributed more money than the ACC and PAC 12 this year to member institutions. There are truly only two completely solid conferences, the SEC and Big 10.
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With this morning's announcement the massive financial gap between Iowa and little bro will continue to grow. In fact Northwestern and Rutgers will out pace mighty Texas.

I am sure that gives warm and fuzzies to all the schools in the Texas Ten.
 
ISUBryce said:
The big 12 distributed more money than the ACC and PAC 12 this year to member institutions. There are truly only two completely solid conferences, the SEC and Big 10.
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That and I would say there is less than a 10% chance of the Big 12 disbanding. That is my opinion, then again I've never had a wet dream about ISU being a mid-major. Considering their revenue is greater than every conference but two and the revenue disparity above them isn't that great, not sure the notion of disbanding is all that rational.
 
agr1858 said:
That and I would say there is less than a 10% chance of the Big 12 disbanding. That is my opinion, then again I've never had a wet dream about ISU being a mid-major. Considering their revenue is greater than every conference but two and the revenue disparity above them isn't that great, not sure the notion of disbanding is all that rational.
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Only an isu grad would think that a $20M+ difference between the Big 10 and Texas ten schools "isn't that great". While I don't think the Texas Ten will fold, if they lose Texas and OU they will end up a mid-major and take isu with them.

A true "win-win" situation.
 
I do not believe the B12 is going to break up. But for the sake of discussion, if the conference were to fold, I think Texas will hold on to their network and go independent in football. They might join another conference in all other sports ala Norte Dame. If any institutions do leave, the B12 will find replacements like CSU and/or BYU.
 
I dont see the Big12 breaking up but I could see big name institutions like Oklahoma or Texas leaving no problem. They would replace them with some "ehh" teams and become a conference a small step above the American conference. They will be relevant but not considered a "power" conference
 
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