Dissolution of the Big 12 teams ,Big 10 canidates.

[KuwaitHawk]

If the B12 were to dissolve, then there would be a true set of 4 power conference. I would see each of the power conferences at 16 teams. Which 10 teams would make the cut between the 10 B12 teams and BYU and Notre Dame? Not too sure if there are any teams from the AAC, Mtn West or Conf USA that would also be considered. If there is a team(s) from those conferences, that means that it is fewer B12 teams to make the cut.

 

[cidhawkeye]

I do not believe the B12 is going to break up. But for the sake of discussion, if the conference were to fold, I think Texas will hold on to their network and go independent in football. They might join another conference in all other sports ala Norte Dame. If any institutions do leave, the B12 will find replacements like CSU and/or BYU.

CSU and BYU bring less to the table than ISU, southern has told us that repeatedly.

 

[whatsup13579er]

If the B12 were to dissolve, then there would be a true set of 4 power conference. I would see each of the power conferences at 16 teams. Which 10 teams would make the cut between the 10 B12 teams and BYU and Notre Dame? Not too sure if there are any teams from the AAC, Mtn West or Conf USA that would also be considered. If there is a team(s) from those conferences, that means that it is fewer B12 teams to make the cut.

Possible bid stealers in a Power 4 realignment include: UConn, Boise State, Cincy, Colorado State, Memphis, Houston, Villanova, and Central Florida. UConn/Boise State probably have the best chance. UConn to ACC and Boise State to Pac 12.

 

[Wingman137]

I love the way everyone dismisses Texas. If they were available, Delaney take them in a heartbeat. They are a premier university, both academically and athletically, and bring in lots of money. Texas is a Prima Donna but would still be a good get. (They would also have to live by B1G rules.) The best part to adding Texas? Listening to Nebraska throw a major fit!

 

[CyCity]

I do not believe the B12 is going to break up. But for the sake of discussion, if the conference were to fold, I think Texas will hold on to their network and go independent in football. They might join another conference in all other sports ala Norte Dame. If any institutions do leave, the B12 will find replacements like CSU and/or BYU.

You must be new here. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when the Big 12 breaks up and then ISU is going to the MAC (I think I did that right)

 

[agr1858]

You must be new here. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when the Big 12 breaks up and then ISU is going to the MAC (I think I did that right)

Step 1 - Big 12 dissolves
Step 2 - ????????
Step 3 - Iowa profits

 

[PlutoDroid]

I love the way everyone dismisses Texas. If they were available, Delaney take them in a heartbeat. They are a premier university, both academically and athletically, and bring in lots of money. Texas is a Prima Donna but would still be a good get. (They would also have to live by B1G rules.) The best part to adding Texas? Listening to Nebraska throw a major fit!

I don't know if people are dismissing the idea of Texas, rather the fact that Texas will not budge an inch on their power broker status. The Longhorn network couldn't coincide with the BIG network. Texas is more likely to go the independent route ala Notre Dame then give up any power to Delaney. Of course all things being equal Texas fills the marks but Texas is not willing to play ball. Its their yard and their rules. Nebraska, Mizzou , Colorado , and Texas AtM got tired of it and left. Oklahoma is starting to grumble about expansion but first it must be approved by papa t. This is not a healthy way to run a Power Conference. Just this fans opinion.

 

[HerkyFan]

Step 1 - Big 12 dissolves
Step 2 - ????????
Step 3 - Iowa profits

Actually It is:

Step 1: Delaney masterfully triples TV Revenue
Step 2: Iowa Profits from Step 1
Step 3: little bro isu and the Texas Ten fall further behind.

 

[HerkyFan]

You must be new here. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when the Big 12 breaks up and then ISU is going to the MAC (I think I did that right)

The Texas Ten will continue. The question is whether it is a power 4 or group of six.

 

[Lone Clone]

You must be new here. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when the Big 12 breaks up and then ISU is going to the MAC (I think I did that right)

That's IF -- a big IF -- the MAC would accept ISU.

 

[stender72865]

Iowa should thank their lucky stars to already be in the Big 10.

I will get slaughtered for that comment, but think about it objectively.

Imagine for a moment that Iowa was not in the Big 10. What do they really have to offer? Not much more than Iowa State. It all boils down to TV sets and $$$.

Does Iowa have a good FB history and tradition? Yes no question. Certainly a lot better than ISU. But that doesnt matter as much as TV sets and $$$. See Rutgers and Maryland.

The Big 12 is fine, for now. Time will tell. Sadly, OU, TX, TV, and $$$ are guiding the ship.

For what its worth, I hope the Big 12 expands by 2 two schools, and adds Colorado State and Cincinnati. BYU? No thanks. Too far out West. Any ACC school? No thanks. Too far away. Conferences need ro TRY to maintain some sense of geography. Again, TV and $$$ are running tbe show and geography makes little difference.

 

[HerkyFan]

Iowa should thank their lucky stars to already be in the Big 10.

I will get slaughtered for that comment, but think about it objectively.

Imagine for a moment that Iowa was not in the Big 10. What do they really have to offer? Not much more than Iowa State. It all boils down to TV sets and $$$.

Does Iowa have a good FB history and tradition? Yes no question. Certainly a lot better than ISU. But that doesnt matter as much as TV sets and $$$. See Rutgers and Maryland.

The Big 12 is fine, for now. Time will tell. Sadly, OU, TX, TV, and $$$ are guiding the ship.

For what its worth, I hope the Big 12 expands by 2 two schools, and adds Colorado State and Cincinnati. BYU? No thanks. Too far out West. Any ACC school? No thanks. Too far away. Conferences need ro TRY to maintain some sense of geography. Again, TV and $$$ are running tbe show and geography makes little difference.

But Iowa is in the Big 10 and little bro won't be. In the end isu will have ZERO influence on any further re-alignment.

 

[sdchawkeye]

Step 1 - Big 12 dissolves
Step 2 - ????????
Step 3 - Iowa profits

 

[paednoch23]

Actually the three schools, Oklahoma, Kansas and ISU were tied for the 70 ranked university in the last ranking by US news and world report. Kansas and ISU are AAU schools, while Oklahoma is not currently. ISU is not Harvard or Yale, but they are also not a mid major like you suggest. It does not matter, the big 10 would not take ISU because its brings no new tvs, not because of Academics. The better question is if the league wanted to add ISU, would Iowa oppose them?

Yes it would be in Iowa's best interest for Many reasons. So the answer is of course Iowa would oppose. I'm also 1000% sure that the rest of the conference teams would oppose ISU as well since they would be wondering why the BIG would want to add a mid-major type team.

 

[paednoch23]

Unfortunately yes. Making major progress with facilities and an incredibly loyal fan base, but terrible history in football and lack of TV sets are facts one can't deny.

Saying Oklahoma would be more coveted than Iowa is not an insult. It is just the truth. It is insane to think otherwise. Surely there are Iowa fans on here that can see that?

you sad puppy. Your school is so unwanted you have to use OK as a proxy for your argument. Just too funny.

 

[HerkyFan]

Watching how Jelly isu grads are is awesome.

More please.

 

[2Kinnick]

Cy fans have the "financial genius" Jamie Pollard on their side so please move along.

 

[cidhawkeye]

You must be new here. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when the Big 12 breaks up and then ISU is going to the MAC (I think I did that right)

You got it all wrong, it goes like this.

Know weigh they go two the MAC, with an incredibly loyal fan base a great Jack Trice, Pollard running the show I can't believe they aren't in the SEC already. I mean who else can claim a fan base that shows up 30,000 strong for a game for a divisional title?

That looks a little closer to what we read here. Thankful for spell check so I could get MAC and SEC correct.

 

[12375CAT]

Ah Hawkeye fans of the great state of Iowa. Say Texas stays the greedy pigs of forever and Oklahoma bolts their piggish neighbors. Of the Big Twelve teams who would be left in the cold, who might Delaney invite inside the friendly confines of the Big Ten den?

Academics and footprint being two of the biggest factors.

1. Oklahoma/ Oklahoma State

2. Texas Tech

3. Kansas/ Kansas State

4. Iowa State

5. TCU


I left out Texas due to their greed and lump them with Notre Dame. Two programs who don't see themselves along with the lowly ilk of the other NCAA teams.

Baylor is out due to their recent issues.

Sound off Iowa and let your opinions be heard. The season is almost here and then we can talk of more substantial things like games.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Yes it would be in Iowa's best interest for Many reasons. So the answer is of course Iowa would oppose. I'm also 1000% sure that the rest of the conference teams would oppose ISU as well since they would be wondering why the BIG would want to add a mid-major type team.

Yes, it would be in Iowa interest but lets say the BOR supported the idea, does anyone think that Iowa would still vote against it. It would never happen, just wonder if Iowa would tell the BOR to screw off, and vote against ISU.

 

[Southerniowacy]

I don't know if people are dismissing the idea of Texas, rather the fact that Texas will not budge an inch on their power broker status. The Longhorn network couldn't coincide with the BIG network. Texas is more likely to go the independent route ala Notre Dame then give up any power to Delaney. Of course all things being equal Texas fills the marks but Texas is not willing to play ball. Its their yard and their rules. Nebraska, Mizzou , Colorado , and Texas AtM got tired of it and left. Oklahoma is starting to grumble about expansion but first it must be approved by papa t. This is not a healthy way to run a Power Conference. Just this fans opinion.

Nebraska and AM left because of Texas, the others did not. Mizzou was afraid they could be left out if the conference fell apart and jumped at the the first offer out there. As for Colorado, they always wanted to be in the Pac 12, they saw it as a better fit, remember when it looked like 5 teams were going to the Pac 12, and were offered, the only school that took them up on the offer and went was Colorado. Once the offer was made they were gone, they did not care if the rest followed, they got their wish.

 

[Southerniowacy]

If the Big 10 is patient and they can now afford to be, with the new tv contract, they will wait for the ACC and go after N. Carolina and Virginia. This allows the SEC to take
N.C. State and Virginia Tech. Both states have a lot more people and therefore TV's then Oklahoma or Kansas. It also allows the big 10 to solidify their presence on the east coast. After it happens, the Big 12 picks over the remaining schools, and then you have your 4 super conferences. Iowa fans will not get their wish, but its the best for everyone involved.

 

[HerkyFan]

Yes, it would be in Iowa interest but lets say the BOR supported the idea, does anyone think that Iowa would still vote against it. It would never happen, just wonder if Iowa would tell the BOR to screw off, and vote against ISU.

So Big Bro has to bail out isu? That is comical.

 

[HerkyFan]

If the Big 10 is patient and they can now afford to be, with the new tv contract, they will wait for the ACC and go after N. Carolina and Virginia. This allows the SEC to take
N.C. State and Virginia Tech. Both states have a lot more people and therefore TV's then Oklahoma or Kansas. It also allows the big 10 to solidify their presence on the east coast. After it happens, the Big 12 picks over the remaining schools, and then you have your 4 super conferences. Iowa fans will not get their wish, but its the best for everyone involved.

Or the Big Ten can take Notre Dame and one of either Texas or OU. That way the Big Ten extends its dominance and decimates the Texas Ten.

Another of those win-win situations Delaney so loves.

 

[2Kinnick]

You got it all wrong, it goes like this.

Know weigh they go two the MAC, with an incredibly loyal fan base a great Jack Trice, Pollard running the show I can't believe they aren't in the SEC already. I mean who else can claim a fan base that shows up 30,000 strong for a game for a divisional title?

That looks a little closer to what we read here. Thankful for spell check so I could get MAC and SEC correct.

With the "financial genius" in Pollard why isn't there an isu network on ESPN 24 7 paying them $25M per year? Doesn't Delaney know who he is messing with?

isu...we borrow our way to greatness and our fans eat it up.

 

[Lone Clone]

Nebraska and AM left because of Texas, the others did not. Mizzou was afraid they could be left out if the conference fell apart and jumped at the the first offer out there. As for Colorado, they always wanted to be in the Pac 12, they saw it as a better fit, remember when it looked like 5 teams were going to the Pac 12, and were offered, the only school that took them up on the offer and went was Colorado. Once the offer was made they were gone, they did not care if the rest followed, they got their wish.

Nebraska jumped to the Big Ten for the same reason a dog licks its balls: It could do it. Nobody with half a brain would argue that the Big Ten isn't the most attractive conference for 95% of schools, for a variety of reasons. If the Big Ten hadn't invited Nebraska to join, the Huskers would still be in the Big XII, whining and threatening and bitching and moaning about Texas. And had Texas not been in the Big XII when the Big Ten came calling, Nebraska still would have gone. Good grief.

You are right about Colorado, Missouri and A&M, although the Missouri situation is a little more complicated. First, because they were overt in their attempts to join the Big Ten, making it clear they wanted a better deal than they were getting; second, because they had several burrs under their saddle for the way they felt they had been mistreated, most recently the year they got screwed out of the Orange Bowl by Kansas. I don't think either Mizzou or Colorado were swayed by Texas shennanigans one way or another.

A&M, of course, hates Texas and wanted nothing to do with them, ever.

 

[Southerniowacy]

Nebraska jumped to the Big Ten for the same reason a dog licks its balls: It could do it. Nobody with half a brain would argue that the Big Ten isn't the most attractive conference for 95% of schools, for a variety of reasons. If the Big Ten hadn't invited Nebraska to join, the Huskers would still be in the Big XII, whining and threatening and bitching and moaning about Texas. And had Texas not been in the Big XII when the Big Ten came calling, Nebraska still would have gone. Good grief.

You are right about Colorado, Missouri and A&M, although the Missouri situation is a little more complicated. First, because they were overt in their attempts to join the Big Ten, making it clear they wanted a better deal than they were getting; second, because they had several burrs under their saddle for the way they felt they had been mistreated, most recently the year they got screwed out of the Orange Bowl by Kansas. I don't think either Mizzou or Colorado were swayed by Texas shennanigans one way or another.

A&M, of course, hates Texas and wanted nothing to do with them, ever.

I think you are understating the hate that Nebraska had for Texas. Before Texas entered the league, Neb. and Oklahoma were running the conference, they got their way on every vote. Once Texas and the southern schools joined that started to change, the first thing was getting rid of the particle qualifiers. Neb. went to the Kansas schools and ISU wanted their support, all three said sure, but we want you to vote on equal tv payouts, the vote at the time was 4 to 8, and the group needed 9 votes for it to occur. Nebraska said no, and the three schools sided with Texas. It also did not help that they saw the fb team slipping into what it is today. They had to hope that by going to the big 10 they could hold of the slippage that already started. Unlucky for them, the big 10 did everything in its power to make sure that Nebraska would struggle in football those first two years. Go back and look at their schedule, they missed none of the best programs. Without Texas, Nebraska would still be in the big 12 I believe, why give up a good thing, they saw it was changing an bailed.

 

[GatoradeBrain]

It's fun to pylon ISU right now but what are we going to do 25 years from now?

You know, we will probably have formed a league of 4 super conferences of 16 teams each by then. At that point, All the blue-bloods and big market teams will probably band together and decide to break off and realign with each other and form some sort of super-amazeballs conference with the potential of making even more money. I don't think Iowa is gonna make that cut, unfortunately.

 

[GnarlyBoy]

Cy fans have the "financial genius" Jamie Pollard on their side so please move along.

Has anybody seen any numbers on the profitability of CyTV. Does ISU Athletics net a single penny off that network? I live in Iowa, but don't have mediacom - never seen it. CyTv programming has to be a joke, plus they don't have Taylor Rooks to fixate on.

 

[5Fan5]

I think you are understating the hate that Nebraska had for Texas. Before Texas entered the league, Neb. and Oklahoma were running the conference, they got their way on every vote. Once Texas and the southern schools joined that started to change, the first thing was getting rid of the particle qualifiers. Neb. went to the Kansas schools and ISU wanted their support, all three said sure, but we want you to vote on equal tv payouts, the vote at the time was 4 to 8, and the group needed 9 votes for it to occur. Nebraska said no, and the three schools sided with Texas. It also did not help that they saw the fb team slipping into what it is today. They had to hope that by going to the big 10 they could hold of the slippage that already started. Unlucky for them, the big 10 did everything in its power to make sure that Nebraska would struggle in football those first two years. Go back and look at their schedule, they missed none of the best programs. Without Texas, Nebraska would still be in the big 12 I believe, why give up a good thing, they saw it was changing an bailed.

'particle qualifiers'.... only from you!

(This isn't quantum physics.)

 

[agr1858]

'particle qualifiers'.... only from you!

(This isn't quantum physics.)

Pretty sure he meant "partial"?

 

[5Fan5]

Pretty sure he meant "partial"?

By gum, you've got it!

Why don't you offer your services of proofing posts to SC? Lord knows he could sure use all the help possible. In so doing, he comes off as a tad bit less of a total dolt and you will not have to edit for him after the fact.

 

[KuwaitHawk]

You got it all wrong, it goes like this.

Know weigh they go two the MAC, with an incredibly loyal fan base a great Jack Trice, Pollard running the show I can't believe they aren't in the SEC already. I mean who else can claim a fan base that shows up 30,000 strong for a game for a divisional title?

That looks a little closer to what we read here. Thankful for spell check so I could get MAC and SEC correct.

Looks like you may have to update your spell checker. I always thought it was abbreviated - sec

 

[agr1858]

By gum, you've got it!

Why don't you offer your services of proofing posts to SC? Lord knows he could sure use all the help possible. In so doing, he comes off as a tad bit less of a total dolt and you will not have to edit for him after the fact.

I was so much hoping you made a grammatical error in your retort

 

[GnarlyBoy]

Pretty sure he meant "partial"?

'Partial Qualifiers' is not a term Nebby trolls include when referencing their glory years. That glory period dried up not long after they got cut off, despite their winning history and tradition.

 

[Lone Clone]

I think you are understating the hate that Nebraska had for Texas. Before Texas entered the league, Neb. and Oklahoma were running the conference, they got their way on every vote. Once Texas and the southern schools joined that started to change, the first thing was getting rid of the particle qualifiers. Neb. went to the Kansas schools and ISU wanted their support, all three said sure, but we want you to vote on equal tv payouts, the vote at the time was 4 to 8, and the group needed 9 votes for it to occur. Nebraska said no, and the three schools sided with Texas. It also did not help that they saw the fb team slipping into what it is today. They had to hope that by going to the big 10 they could hold of the slippage that already started. Unlucky for them, the big 10 did everything in its power to make sure that Nebraska would struggle in football those first two years. Go back and look at their schedule, they missed none of the best programs. Without Texas, Nebraska would still be in the big 12 I believe, why give up a good thing, they saw it was changing an bailed.

I'm not understating the hate Nebraska had for Texas. I'm simply stating a fact: If the Big Ten hadn't invited Nebraska, Nebraska would still be in the Big XII. And if Texas weren't in the Big XII when the Big Ten invited Nebraska, Nebraska would still have accepted the invitation.

Put it another way: If the Big Ten had invited Nebraska the same year it invited Penn State, when Texas was in the swc, would Nebraska have jumped to the Big Ten? Yes.

As for the vote on partial qualifiers, it wasn't just Texas. the SWC banned them, so right off the bat you had four schools opposed to them. And although the Big Eight permitted them, two schools in the Big Eight did not (ISU and Missouri), and another five Big Eight schools hardly ever used them. The sentiment for partial qualifiers was roughly 11-1.

 

[cidhawkeye]

'particle qualifiers'.... only from you!

(This isn't quantum physics.)

I saw that episode of The Big Bang Theory, that Sheldon is a hoot. But Leonard still got to bang Penny.

 

[Lone Clone]

I saw that episode of The Big Bang Theory, that Sheldon is a hoot. But Leonard still got to bang Penny.

Is that a good show? Never watched it.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Is that a good show? Never watched it.

The particle qualifier episode was one of the best.

 

[GnarlyBoy]

Is that a good show? Never watched it.

Could be the only show my wife and I both enjoy. We love it.