Do you know anyone under the age of 60 who's died from COVID?
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I would rather operate on the side of caution. Deaths and long term health problems can't be undone.
I think the major concerns to me are:
1) The number of other diseases, especially cancer, going undiagnosed over several month, as well as people who have dying of things for not seeking medical attention
2) The number of kids at risk students who will simply never graduate being out of formal school for the better part of 12-18 months. Not graduating high school results in negative outcomes in pretty much every category including life expectancy. I'm thinking primarily of those that are 14-17 now. The privileged among us (which is most on this board), our kids will get through with their own laptop, and their own bedrooms and offices, and parents looking over their shoulder. But this is going to devastate communities that and further inequality in a way that could reverberate for a generation.
Both of these things can be mitigated by a modified opening policy which most of us are in now. I think most people are seeing their doctors and getting treatment, etc. You don't have to be 100% open like nothing is happening to reduce the impact of these consequences. But I think you have to trade some expansion of the virus in exchange for better outcomes in these areas.
But to me, the idea of a 100% lockdown going on for 8-12 months is a total non-starter because of these reasons.
I don’t see abandoning education and sending tens of millions of people into unemployment as caution. Wearing masks is caution. Common sense distancing is caution. Giving up stadium sports is caution.
People refuse to wear masks or distance. A certain group is particularly proud of that.
The rate of increase will tell the tale. Sadly there won’t be organized data for that until 2022. Some local officials are reporting an increase but that’s really all you’re going to get for the next year and a half at least. One county in rural Missouri reported that their highest total of suicides on record was 5 and they are already at 14 so far this year. All you will find is anecdotal for quite some time.
This is true. The overwhelming response to this has been irrational at every level. We could still convince most idiots to wear masks but nobody, and I mean no friggin body, is approaching this strategically.
I've not heard anyone call for abandoning education. That's simply a false narrative.
I agree with Hoosier to some extent on playing it safe, but I also agree with your post. Definitely a balance here.
It’s already been basically abandoned for the most at-risk students; the poor, special needs, the abused. The lack of in-person school is damaging, and over the years will kill, thousands of them.
The unnatural restrictions and hysteria will be killing people for years to come. This is simply true, no matter how much we don’t want to acknowledge it.
No. Access to the tools to make online education work is an issue that needs to be resolved. Ignoring that is abandoning those children, not education. You're again overstating the impact of hybrid or online learning. We have thousands and thousands of examples where home schooled children are able to thrive. We know it can be done - the biggest obstacle is people who are so tied to the status quo they won't even consider alternatives.
Educating the underprivileged has been a problem for decades. Going online is not the threat to them. Ambivalence from those with power and means is.
No, going online is a huge threat to them. That’s why the AAP and the National Academy of Science, Engineering, and Medicine both came out saying schools should try to have in person school.
You are downplaying this, to the detriment of children.
62 year old aunt with underlying conditions and a 57 year old sister-in-law seemingly healthy before a very fast acting illness and death.
No. Just, no. Trying to have in person schools does not mean that online school equates to abandonment. That's nonsense.
Why wouldn't they? Many are advocating for online school as we speak due to the risks right now.Wow. I'll bet the teachers' union would love you
Pretty much everyone would rather have in person school - that's a given. The fact is, that isn't always possible and the notion that online school is equivalent to abandoning education is stupid.
Average age of death in the US is irrelevant. What’s relevant is the life expectancy of a person given they have reached the age of 78. That is significantly higher than 1.
I know two who were in their 50s - a middle school teacher who taught both of my sons, and a guy whose son played various youth sports with my older son. Know another lady who was early 60s (she'd either just turned 62 or was just about to do so, can't recall which). She'd worked in the banking industry, mostly at a few different local banks (was an assistant for a good friend of mine & moved with him as he changed banks a few times).
I'm thinking the answers in this thread are not what the OP expected.
Sorry, I just popped in on my phone earlier then did a quick google search without posting the links.
Lots of articles on the suicides rates this year.
https://www.google.com/search?q=sui...WRPM0KHZJmCroQ_AUoAXoECAsQAw&biw=1745&bih=881
I was incorrect on vehicle fatalities. Sorry, should have done a little more homework before posting.
https://www.mcall.com/business/tran...0200729-hukric54yzghhbtexzs3v7ppxa-story.html
Was he fat? Sorry to be insensitive but I’m genuinely curious as obesity is a massive marker.
It blows my mind that our country isn’t waking up to our obesity issue during this. If this doesn’t wake us up, nothing will.
Yes. My neurosurgeon who did my cervical fusion last year and was going to work on my lumbar next year. He was in his mid fifties.
Personally? I'm not aware of any personal acquaintances that have died, but some that have become seriously ill (ICU). That said, I'm not aware of anyone that has died since March for any reason.
LOL exactly. Especially since my insurance company sent a $300 rebate check out do to the huge number of decreased accidents.
What’s crazy to me is that I have more friends fighting breast cancer (4) than I know who had Covid.
I know 5 people who've had it ranging in age from 30's to 50's and none of them had to be hospitalized.
