It's safer for the Brinks truck to drive up to my front door with a swat escort so I can deposit my checks rather than drive to the bank to deposit a check and avoid being robbed. It's "safer"! I think we should identify an actual problem occurring before we fire off a bunch of changes about a problem that doesn't exist.
Here's the thing - of course it's vulnerable to fraud. So is in-person voting for that matter. Any system involving humans inherently is.In both cases there are safeguards in place to prevent it to the best of our abilities.
Yeah, you have. I really can’t tolerate people who pretend to speak authoritatively on a subject that they have no experience or knowledge of. It’s a disturbing trend currently in this country.
So, no fraud in Iowa, and this bill doesn't address actual fraud?
How can you claim it is an attempt to suppress voter turnout when it does zero to stop you from voting?
There checks and balances…it is NOT as you describe. Oregon only has “mail in” voting and as offered it for well over a decade……so Oregon elections are a fraudulent…..but no one has bothered to challenge them?
The same party wins every time in Oregon kind of reminds me of the elections in Cuba or Iraq when Saddam was in power.
No, I have never worked an election, but another poster tells me it is easier to commit fraud in person voting. Since you have worked at minimum 20 different elections, maybe you can speak to how you prevent voter fraud.
Ahhhh….but it did…….The MMM election, IF all the votes cast were counted, she would have lost that election by a dozen votes or so…..so some folks who DID vote, had their votes disregarded.
You reject the idea that voter fraud stemming from absentee voting is difficult to prove, so maybe you can shed insights on how it could be proved if it did happen.
If the “voter registration roles” are accurate, there are very few problems to be encountered….and they usually catch a handful each election cycle but voter fraud in Iowa is a rare phenomena. Iowa has historically had a “tight” election system with strong LOCAL controls……what is bothersome is the recent Legislative action to diminish this local control……
I never said that. I said there are safeguards in place. It’s entirely possible that some slip past despite all precautions, but enough to actually be statistically significant? It’s hard to believe it doesn’t get caught at some point in the process.
sure...but what if we just pretend that doesn't happen and claim that we have no idea how bad the problem is?
You are taken another posters word for it . . . I can tell you voter fraud would be an extremely difficult process in person or by mail. Ballot harvesting does not invite fraud, it encourages, voting. There is an aspect of maybe these voters are too lazy, but in the same instance, you aren't really trying to limit fraud, as there has been very few instances (and mostly republican) but really trying to restrict the vote since there are more democrats than republicans.
Lets just restrict voters in the name of fraud, and pretend its ok.
This system has worked….I have voted EARLY ever since 1984…..now the (Republican) Ioway Legislature has seen fit to CHANGE this successful process…….and for no known reasons other than innuendo and fright.
I certainly have no reason to believe voter fraud exists in Iowa, and have said as much in my posts in this thread. Therefore, I understand the confusion as to why this is being considered by the Iowa legislature.
Both can be true.
They go to Court…..and the Court deals with them. I don’t believe any have ever been sentenced to anything more than “probation” or “dont do it again”…..
If you actually show up at a polling location and vote during the hours the polling location is open your vote is counted.
No….I always vote multiple times on Election Day….all I do is show them my “official Iowa ID”…..really simple……registered Democrats get these special voter IDs when they register to vote……I only vote 4-5 times per election though…I dont wanna abuse my privilege.
As a citizen and not being a felon you have a right to vote, period.
I do, here in the Socialist Republic of Johnson County we have drive through voting, you don’t even have to get out of your car, it’s curbside service. It’s the best. After I’ve voted I just drive around the block and get back in line to vote again but I make sure to change my hat or put on sunglasses or a fake mustache. Sometimes I speak in a strange accent to conceal my previous fake identities. They never seem to catch on to my ruse so I just keep on circling the block and voting until I get tired of it or my car runs out of gas.
Hell, here in Polk Co you dont have to do that….just give’m a different official “Voters ID” card…..you can give‘m all 4 or 5 of your cards the first time thru…as long as the ID matches a name on the voter;s ,list……who cares….you gotta be eligible….after all the Repubbers wrote the rules! FOOL PROOF!
Ballot collecting, also known as "ballot harvesting", is the gathering and submitting of completed absentee or mail-in voter ballots by third-party individuals, volunteers or workers, rather than submission by voters themselves directly to ballot collection sites.
The text in bold is my understanding of ballot harvesting.
