Does Kirk Ferentz get a statue.
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I'm kind of liking the idea of a statue of him somewhere in the facility but not at Kinnick. Kind of a "we appreciate what you did, but we dont want to be the fanbase that glorifies 7-5"
Roger to answer your question. I would put him in the facility as a way of honoring the man/maker of men he is. I would not put him near the stadium because coaches that win championships go near the stadium. That's just my 2 cents.
(I saw your post before you removed it and it was a valid ?)
(I saw your post before you removed it and it was a valid ?)
LOL, the same people calling Kirk a 7-5 coach probably have tattoo of Hayden. Apparently that 0.5% difference in win percentage is a real deal breaker for some people.
Both are legendary coaches at Iowa, both deserve a statue at the field or on campus. I have a strong belief that during the next 20 years of Iowa football, a lot of these same posters will start realizing that a constant winning team is pretty damn nice to have, even if it's just a 7-5 team with the occasional special season.
Both are legendary coaches at Iowa, both deserve a statue at the field or on campus. I have a strong belief that during the next 20 years of Iowa football, a lot of these same posters will start realizing that a constant winning team is pretty damn nice to have, even if it's just a 7-5 team with the occasional special season.
I voted for the third category, but here's how I see it breaking down:
1) If you think he deserves one already, I get it - the guy has been an excellent representative of the University of Iowa and has turned the program around. We're typically competitive every year and have sent numerous players to the NFL. I think the CFP system has been around for all of four years and Iowa has been a major factor in two of them, once as a very likely participant and once as a spoiler.
2) If you don't think he deserves one, you'd probably point out that Iowa loses way too many games against bad teams. You'd probably point out many of the embarrassing bowl losses. You'd probably also say that statues should be for great coaches, and KF isn't one by any objective measure.
3) Now, where I am is a combination of the above. I see it both ways. I think in the remaining time as head coach, he can still earn it. There is still one major accomplishment I'd love to see and that's winning the conference championship game. To me, that's as much of an undisputed Big Ten title as there can be. Icing on the cake would be to win a playoff game and play for a title. I'd be just as happy if Iowa ended up somehow in a Rose Bowl and won that game. On the flips side, if the Hawks start to underperform or don't even compete for B1G West crowns, I think the sentiments would swing back towards "no statue" or something limited like a statue in the hospital or something.
1) If you think he deserves one already, I get it - the guy has been an excellent representative of the University of Iowa and has turned the program around. We're typically competitive every year and have sent numerous players to the NFL. I think the CFP system has been around for all of four years and Iowa has been a major factor in two of them, once as a very likely participant and once as a spoiler.
2) If you don't think he deserves one, you'd probably point out that Iowa loses way too many games against bad teams. You'd probably point out many of the embarrassing bowl losses. You'd probably also say that statues should be for great coaches, and KF isn't one by any objective measure.
3) Now, where I am is a combination of the above. I see it both ways. I think in the remaining time as head coach, he can still earn it. There is still one major accomplishment I'd love to see and that's winning the conference championship game. To me, that's as much of an undisputed Big Ten title as there can be. Icing on the cake would be to win a playoff game and play for a title. I'd be just as happy if Iowa ended up somehow in a Rose Bowl and won that game. On the flips side, if the Hawks start to underperform or don't even compete for B1G West crowns, I think the sentiments would swing back towards "no statue" or something limited like a statue in the hospital or something.
Yes. You build him a nice statue. You make it one of the better statues around but not the best. You put a quote at the bottom ‘well, that’s art’ . Done.
Can’t remember what my post was. I obviously deleted it for a reason. I do have a question for you. Ferentz has had 2, 7-5 years out of 19 years here at Iowa. His average record over those 19 years is 8-5. Why do Ferentz haters continually use 7-5 as the record that defines his success?
It's actually between 7-5 (58.3%) and 8-5 (61.5%) as his winning percentage at Iowa is, I believe, 59.6% (143-97). So call it 7.5-5, which is about what Fry had as well.
Your question was in regards to me personally thinking it was a good idea to make a statue. No worries. I used "7-5" (in qoutes) because that is the record the people likely to vote "no" would reference. Fwiw. Over 19 years he has 143 regular season wins and 97 losses. 7.5 regular season wins and 5.1 regulars season losses. Since 5.1. Is over 5 you cannot round down and there are not 13 regular season games which is where I imagine 7-5 comes from. KF is also 7 of 15 in bowls which gets him 7.8 wins a season but 5.5 losses, however we have not played 14 games in a season and 5.5 cannot go down to 5 and round 7.8 up to 8 while presenting the numbers as valid. As we all know you cannot win or lose half a game so 7-5 is by definition more accurate than portraying him as an 8-4 coach.
Sorry. Makes absolutely no sense. Skew the numbers all you want. His average wins per year is over 7.5....so that rounds to 8, not 7. His losses per year average something like 5.1. That rounds to 5. So 8-5 should be his average yearly record. Where the hell did you come up with 8-4? Oops. Forget it. I do not want to belabor my point.
He averages 5.5 big10 wins a year.......
We average 12.6 games a season. (Since 6 wins gets a bowl most years)
Put ya like this 20 years ago if you would have bet on KF going over 7 wins a year you would have made money. If the number was 8 you would have lost money. There isn't a half a win. By default he is a 7 win a year coach. If you want to say he is a 7.5 win a year coach I suppose that would be valid. There is a reason Vegas always sets lines at .5s though, you can't push.
We average 12.6 games a season. (Since 6 wins gets a bowl most years)
Put ya like this 20 years ago if you would have bet on KF going over 7 wins a year you would have made money. If the number was 8 you would have lost money. There isn't a half a win. By default he is a 7 win a year coach. If you want to say he is a 7.5 win a year coach I suppose that would be valid. There is a reason Vegas always sets lines at .5s though, you can't push.
Never heard of rounding 7.51 down to 7 instead of rounding up to 8. I sure hope there are no kids reading this.
More like, when there are 12 games during the regular season we cannot round up to 8-5. And we cannot round 5.1 to 4 so 7.5 stays a 7.
Better let the associated press know because they include bowl wins and losses in their final rankings. Let them know those are not real wins and losses. Skew away!
Howard Jones went 42-17-1 as Head Coach for the Hawkeyes from 1916-1923 ~ does he have a statue? Not sure, but if not, let's build him one first; we certainly don't want to rush into things.
That doesnt help, those numbers have been presented and both would by definition round up. By your math he is a 8-6 coach but we have only once played 14 games. Please dont accuse me of skewing numbers I'm literally providing all the data sets for every single thing we are discussing.
How the hell did you come up with 6? Would you quit it with the lies? Holy shit. He has averaged 5.1 losses a year you freaking moron. I am done.
Not when you include the bowls you wanted to include. He averaged 5.5 losses a year. C'mon man, the numbers are all provided.
I may be in the minority on this but I like just having a statue of Nile Kinnick outside the stadium. That says it all about the ideal of Iowa football. I like Kinnick Stadium and don't want the field named after somebody else. You can name the press box (Paul Brechler deserved that), practice facilities, concourses, stands, whatever. Honor those who deserve it. But it's Kinnick Stadium, that's all and says enough. Giving the playing field a different name is at least unnecessary, wrong in my opinion.
If you want to put up statues near the football complex sure, Hayden Fry, Kirk Ferentz (after he retires) and Forest Evashevski are no-brainers. Solid argument could be made for Howard Jones, maybe Eddie Anderson for his one great year. But what about the great players? Alex Karras and Calvin Jones, Aubrey Devine and Duke Slater. Italy and Greece would have nothing on Iowa for statues. Fans would be unhappy if a player got hurt hurrying to the weight room and collided with a statue.
Iowa is doing it right. Kinnick Stadium and a statue of Nile. That says is it all.
If you want to put up statues near the football complex sure, Hayden Fry, Kirk Ferentz (after he retires) and Forest Evashevski are no-brainers. Solid argument could be made for Howard Jones, maybe Eddie Anderson for his one great year. But what about the great players? Alex Karras and Calvin Jones, Aubrey Devine and Duke Slater. Italy and Greece would have nothing on Iowa for statues. Fans would be unhappy if a player got hurt hurrying to the weight room and collided with a statue.
Iowa is doing it right. Kinnick Stadium and a statue of Nile. That says is it all.
I checked 2 sources and they both have Coach Ferentz’s 19 year record at 143-97. Get a calculator. Turn it on first.
Those are his regular season numbers right? Which break down to 7.51 and 5.1 right? Where did you get 7.8? Because you included bowl games. Which brings his losses to 7.5. Are you really this dense?
You might want to sit this one out man. Not only are you willing to fall on the sword that 7.5 does not equal 7 in a sport that does not allow for ties your looking really foolish doing it.
For Iowa? Absolutely. Unless I missed where we became a Blue-blood school all of a sudden. Recently, schools like Texas, Florida, Michigan, USC, UCLA, Nebraska, Miami, and Notre Dame have had problems with finding coaches that could surpass 0.600 consistently.Actually, the point is simple:
Coach Ferentz, while at Iowa, has won 59.6% of his games; and
Coach Ferentz, while at Iowa, has won 55.8% of his B1G games.
Statue worthy?
I sure as hell would like to see what Kirk could do with 4-5* players constantly falling in his lap based on school name alone.
Liar. Where did I say 7.8? You just said that I did? Twice now I have shown you are a complete freaking tool and now you lie. Poor fella.
Where did you come up with 5.5 losses a season Einsteen?
Only at Iowa would they reward 'average' with a statue.
In order to get to a 7.8 wins you need to include bowl games, which also would include his losses. You do realize a 7.5 win coach is not more likely to win 8 games than they are 7, they are more likely to win 8 than they are 6 but the actual number of wins is still 7 right?
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surprised someone hasn't already recommended a statue that looks almost like Kirk going up under center with a smile and Barta looking very apprehensive awaiting the snap count . Seriously Kirk deserves a statue or some type of honor , winning Coach who has run a clean program .
Couldn't agree more! Great man, B1G Coach of the Year numerous times, super clean program, charities, etc...name building, field house, park, whatever, in his name, but stop this statue sh-t.
Statues are overdone, I mean after Buddy Jesus whats the point ?
I do. But I also would like a new chapter with the same resources. As I’ve stated, we are the iowa hawkeyes, not the iowa ferentz’s
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