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Does Kirk Ferentz get a statue.
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he didn't have a winning b1g record all 20 years? whoa, no way!!
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I can find 2 seasons KF had a losing b1g record. That does NOT count his 1st 2 years....and why should he be held responsible for poor teams he inherited? Neither of these two seasons were finished with 7-5 record.
And who is this "worst p5" team that we have a losing record against.....you didn't answer that lie either!
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How do those numbers look if you don't include the first 2 years....years he was not responsible for?Actually, the point is simple:
Coach Ferentz, while at Iowa, has won 59.6% of his games; and
Coach Ferentz, while at Iowa, has won 55.8% of his B1G games.
Statue worthy?
They look inaccurate, and he was responsible for those years. That's why they paid him.
Or, it could be better. I look at life in that way. Not into settling or the woe is me crap that Ferentz pulls
So Matt Campbell wasn't responsible for this past season? Cool. We were shallow on talent for sure but Bowen, Kasper, Betts, Kampman, Wheatley, Hill (all NFL) weren't nobodies he inherited.
Yep, he didn't pick any of those players and had very little time to work with them, but he should be defined by those 2 years.
Ok, that makes sense.......
Sure Campbell deserves a ton of credit for last year.
That said, he shouldn't be judged at all for 2016.
Of course what he did last year won't matter much if he goes back to winning 1/4 of their games next year.
No, Coach Ferentz's pathetic lack of head coaching experience prior to accepting the Iowa job should also be considered ~ three years of head coaching in Orono, Maine where he amassed an impressive 12-21 record should also be considered.
Hawkeye fans, like the University of Maine, Orono, fans, suffered miserably for a few years while Kirk was "learning" how to be a head coach.
Coach Fry arrived in Iowa City with 17 years of head coaching experience, and a 40-23-3 record at his prior school.
One was an experienced head coach who knew what he was doing; the other a Colonial Athletic Association novice who caught a break from Coach Fry.
Ask Coach Ferentz if he was responsible for his first two years of coaching, and I'll bet he'd agree with me, not you.
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Not be held accountable for the first two years? Go row the boat. It's a body of work not cherry picked hope he looks better approach.
Given that Ferentz essentially canned White and Kennedy for not representing the program correctly on the recruiting trail ... there's no chance that Ferentz would do a Paterno-like cover-up.
So I'm definitely on board with this train of thought, but, can also look at it two ways....
Generally...do guys get statues for never winning a conference title (only shared it twice), losing his only conference championship game and an absolute blowout Rose Bowl appearance. I'd say absolutely not.
Is he a good guy who gave lots of money to the university and updated the facilities. Sure. Put a statue at the workout facility....but out in front of Kinnick. I would say no.
He's the 3rd-best coach we've had in program history. The other two have streets named after them and one has a statue.
Odds are pretty good that Ferentz gets a statue.
Odds are pretty good that Ferentz gets a statue.
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Yes, give him a replica of the Hayden Fry statue for his mantel. Ferentz would have been nothing without Fry who established the Iowa brand and who, incredulously, hired the young, totally unqualified KF in the first place . . . IMHO.
Forest Evashevski doesn't have a statue but fans want one for Kirk Ferentz?
Must be a sign of the times.
Participation trophy crowd heavily in favor.
Must be a sign of the times.
Participation trophy crowd heavily in favor.
Personally, I don't really care for statues of coaches. Even the Gable one, while absolutely deserving, is a little weird considering he still comes to meets. Just look at how creepy the Saban statue looks at Alabama.
And consider what happened to Paterno's statue. Guys that live and coach that long almost always are going to have skeletons in their closet that a portion of the fanbase will hate.
I'm a bigger fan of honoring the student athletes that actually compete on the field. I'd be willing to accept a Cal Jones statue outside of Kinnick Stadium, and in the future any other player that has their number retired considering how hard it is to get your number retired for us(be a Heisman or Outland award winning player that tragically dies young). Otherwise lets keep it at Nile. His statue is perfect, the true student athlete.
If you don't limit it to something really rare, then the list of statues that needs to go up is going to be long. Jones, Evy, Fry, and Ferentz, are the top coaches. And Slater, Devine, Locke, Simmons, Jones, Karras, Duncan, Long, Gallery, Scherff are all guys that won, finished 2nd in voting or would have likely finished very high in the Heisman or Outland award voting.
And consider what happened to Paterno's statue. Guys that live and coach that long almost always are going to have skeletons in their closet that a portion of the fanbase will hate.
I'm a bigger fan of honoring the student athletes that actually compete on the field. I'd be willing to accept a Cal Jones statue outside of Kinnick Stadium, and in the future any other player that has their number retired considering how hard it is to get your number retired for us(be a Heisman or Outland award winning player that tragically dies young). Otherwise lets keep it at Nile. His statue is perfect, the true student athlete.
If you don't limit it to something really rare, then the list of statues that needs to go up is going to be long. Jones, Evy, Fry, and Ferentz, are the top coaches. And Slater, Devine, Locke, Simmons, Jones, Karras, Duncan, Long, Gallery, Scherff are all guys that won, finished 2nd in voting or would have likely finished very high in the Heisman or Outland award voting.
Evy gave up his statue when he became AD. Great football coach. Terrible AD.
He'll also end up third or fourth in the history of the BIG in terms of conference victories. Yes I understand this will be simply because of longevity, but if you don't think that means anything, ask Cal Ripken.......
As for this train of thought, people have to start somewhere correct? Fry also hired a high school coach named Barry Alverez, yes? We don't know what KF would have become, had he another mentor other then Hayden. Maybe he gets hired by someone better, ends up at Michigan and wins a couple of national titles. KF had other mentors before Fry, such as Joe Moore. Every road leads in a different direction. Saying KF wouldn't have accomplished anything without Fry is an opinion with no possible evidence behind it......
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