Even if you had the required expertise and day to day inside information, it's almost impossible to make a strong case for your claim, given the results that the staff has backing up its decision
Early Camp Rumblings
- Thread starter jackattack001
- Start date
Two terrible choices, but of them, Deac was the better option.
Deac had a big arm, everyone knew it, and that alone was better than anything Marco could do to keep safeties out of the box. Once Luke and All went down, the passing game was going to be trash anyway and we certainly were not going to win with it. So it came down to what QB was going to help the running game the most. Also, love him or hate him, Deac stood in there and actually played with poise. Probably too much poise because he kind of acted non-chalant when the rush was around him, hence all the fumbles, but you gotta give him credit for standing in there. Marco on the other hand did not look like a poised QB at all when we saw him. He looked like a freshman that had never played. When Deac came in he was slinging. Maybe to the other team but he wasn't scared.
Labas can't be in the conversation because whatever happened to him had to be non-football related for him to not get a sniff. So we have to pretend like he was never there.
Deac had a big arm, everyone knew it, and that alone was better than anything Marco could do to keep safeties out of the box. Once Luke and All went down, the passing game was going to be trash anyway and we certainly were not going to win with it. So it came down to what QB was going to help the running game the most. Also, love him or hate him, Deac stood in there and actually played with poise. Probably too much poise because he kind of acted non-chalant when the rush was around him, hence all the fumbles, but you gotta give him credit for standing in there. Marco on the other hand did not look like a poised QB at all when we saw him. He looked like a freshman that had never played. When Deac came in he was slinging. Maybe to the other team but he wasn't scared.
Labas can't be in the conversation because whatever happened to him had to be non-football related for him to not get a sniff. So we have to pretend like he was never there.
I just wanted to generate another worthless reply.
It worked.
It worked.
Generate this.
Anyone who has a problem with KF, as Iowa's coach, is a clown and is embarrassing himself.
He has surpassed all expectations that existed at the time he was hired. Any higher expectations only exist because of the level he has gotten the program to.
Some years are better than others. And KF isn't perfect.
But he has poured his life into this state, its university, and its young men, as head coach for over 25 years. The success of his program has been consistent at a truly unbelievable level. He has been a blessing to this state and he commands your trust and respect.
Anything other than your respect and support for KF and his program renders you no fan at all. If you're not with him you're against him. Don't kid yourselves
Last edited:
"Anything other than your respect and support for <fill in a name> and his program renders you no fan at all. If you're not with him you're against him. Don't kid yourselves."
Donald, is that you?
Last season he argued that Iowa would win FEWER games with a better offense.
And folks, this is a perfect example of using that block tool, so back on topic.
Iowa football: Could Terrell Washington Jr. be Swiss Army knife for Hawkeyes' offense?
Iowa football wide receiver Terrell Washington Jr. brings up a name to add to the Swiss Army knife narrative: Deebo.
www.hawkcentral.com
There is some sense to your post until the very last paragraph.
We owe Kirk nothing.
And I would love to read the arguments for why Kirk keeping his son at OC was in the best interest of the Iowa program. Rest assured, if not for the AD stepping in, Brian would still be here. Defend that.
Last, arguing over whether or not Deacon Hill was the best option at quarterback last season misses the point entirely, which is the fact there is actually debate about it. The fact it is uncertain whether there was a quarterback on the bench better than Hill is a perfect encapsulation of the absolute horse shit job of recruiting and/or developing quarterbacks that have plagued Iowa football since…(fill in the blank). That’s the point.
Yes, Kirk has done a lot for Iowa (and has monetarily benefited quite handsomely for his efforts). Yes, Kirk has won a lot of games, including an impressive span of wins over mediocre non-conference opponents and thrilling 13-10 type victories over conference juggernauts like Illinois and Nebraska. All true.
His best teams are still getting farther and farther in the rearview mirror. Like fifteen years back farther. On top of that, it looks like this season is going to be yet another year of piss poor quarterback play. I guess yay for Phil Parker and punting!
But, yeah, Kirk continues to pile up 13-10 type Ws against the who’s who of conference titans, so let’s keep the gravy train rolling. Kudos.
We still owe Kirk nothing.
Hilarious that the coaching brethren almost uniformly have such high regard for Kirk as a Coach, but message board posters on free forums know more than all those guys.
And I think this is good news. Because now defenses have to know where he is, plus account for the qb to be able to tuck it and go for 10. Plus they always have to account for our TE. That is also why I like the some of the speed we are seeing. Make them adjust their angles as well. We have a couple guys that if they get in the open field, look out.And folks, this is a perfect example of using that block tool, so back on topic.
Iowa football: Could Terrell Washington Jr. be Swiss Army knife for Hawkeyes' offense?
Iowa football wide receiver Terrell Washington Jr. brings up a name to add to the Swiss Army knife narrative: Deebo.www.hawkcentral.com
Last edited:
Nothing in my post states Kirk is a bad coach or unworthy of respect.
So tell me how well Hill did at going thru his progressions!?!? I remember when the WR (1st on list) was covered and Hill immediately thru it 3 feet behind the TE at the line of scrimmage. And this happened often....
WTF? Prick.
After 25 years my players would disagree with you. It’s amazing how people, because they disagree with OPINIONS, attack someone because they work with kids for a living. It’s such a douchebag attack. Argue the “takes”. I honestly don’t remember having any interaction with you before.
One of the main reasons the Bears moved on from Justin Fields.
The Deacon Hill vs anyone else argument will never have a satisfactory conclusion.
Those who defend all of Kirk's decisions unquestioningly accept that he was the only possible option. Others are less willing to accept that given that the only "evidence" is Kirk's saying that is the case.
As already noted, the much bigger issue is the poor qb rosters for multiple seasons now. Even if Lester is the guy to turn that around, who knows how long it will take to get out of that rut.
Those who defend all of Kirk's decisions unquestioningly accept that he was the only possible option. Others are less willing to accept that given that the only "evidence" is Kirk's saying that is the case.
As already noted, the much bigger issue is the poor qb rosters for multiple seasons now. Even if Lester is the guy to turn that around, who knows how long it will take to get out of that rut.
I hope the light goes on for Marco - sooner rather than later - but so far he is struggling with the mental part of the game. Quite honestly, I was stunned that he couldn't leapfrog Deacon during spring practice. He couldn't have had a better opportunity. There was a new OC / QB coach and a new offense, so both guys were starting from square one. Now it's "fall" camp and Cade and Brendan are struggling, but Marco is a distant QB3 despite having a head start on the offense as the only QB who practiced during the spring. I've even seen speculation that CSU transfer Jackson Stratton could pass up Marco by opening day.
Respect does not mean blind loyalty.
I owe him nothing and he owes me nothing.
It still amazes me how many people on here need that explained to them.
Nothing close to true.
I was wondering if that was you, Pee Wee, since there's another on this board with a very similar name.
The fact that you have gone and completely mischaracterized the posts of another lets me know that it's you.
Congratulations on changing your avatar at least
Ok, to say you owe Kirk anything may not be the best way to put it. I would say fans at least owe him the benefit of the doubt, if not their respect. And certainly disrespect and constant complaining and questioning would not align one in the category of a fan.
I don't know if keeping Brian would have been in the best interest of the program or not. I'm not armed with any of the inside information. I would lean towards saying the change is a healthy move just to end all of the fan negativity around it.
We don't know for sure if KF would have brought BF back or not. He may too have decided that the negativity was just not worth it.
But if BF were brought back, I would defend it by saying KF has earned the benefit of the doubt. I certainly don't have enough inside information to have had any problem with it.
And from my perspective, there are ways to defend Brian returning. One, is not a lot of people make big changes in the midst of success. To do so it certainly a risk. Another, is to judge an offensive operation in a season where Iowa played the worst QB (to get significant snaps) that I've seen them play in my 39 years of watching Iowa football, is silly. BF had very little to do with that. It's similar, I'm sure, to why BF was brought back last season. To have judged his operation on a season ('22) where Iowa had the worst offensive line that I've seen at Iowa in 39 years, is even more silly. And BF probably had even less to do with that.
Without the benefit of inside information, I never thought BF had the best feel as a play-caller. And I think it was a mistake to have him as QB coach, although I understand the reasoning why he was made QB coach. But (again, without the benefit of inside information) I think BF as OC was a ways down the list of reasons Iowa's offense has struggled. If true, no doubt KF knew it. It's not coincidence how when an O-line falls apart, all of the sudden, the offense falls apart too. Very few OC's could have done much better with that line.
As for thoughts about the QB room, that has previously been addressed in this thread. I'm not going to repeat it all. But will say that everyone was thrilled to have brought Cade in. He got hurt. I will also say that he most likely got hurt again from having played hurt, and that is on KF. It would have seemed that Iowa had a completely serviceable backup, in Labas. Unfortunately, it appears that his lifestyle took him out of that position. KF has an excellent track record of recruiting high character guys.
How many teams actually have more than two QB's ready to go at a given time? Shoot, there are a lot of teams that are searching for one guy that's any good. If anything, KF deserves credit for having having the foresight to bring Hill to campus as an emergency QB.
I have no idea what you're talking about with any "plague" at Iowa when it comes to QB's. Sure, the past couple/few years have been tough. But I would certainly characterize the QB play at Iowa during KF's tenure to have been more than fine. I doubt he would have stuck around for 26 years if any "plague" that you have suggested were reality. The past couple seasons, when it comes to QB play, is another example of where KF has earned the benefit of the doubt. Especially when you consider injury and terrible O-line play (that had little to do with KF). You can also add in significant attrition to WR's in '22 (that also didn't have a whole lot to do with KF), and a QB that may have gotten lost in a weed cloud.
In the end, the Brian thing, the offense thing, and the QB thing have been WAY overstated. KF has had enough in place in the program to navigate all that to 9.33 wins over the last 3 years, and 9 wins over the last 2. The struggles in those areas just haven't been that big of a deal. For fans to have had as big a problem with winning that many games simply means that they are butthurt from having not been "entertained" enough.
You can judge KF's "best teams" however you want. The only thing that goes into the record books are wins and losses. And KF's recent stretch of years have been his most successful period at Iowa.
A 13-10 win is the same as a 30-10 win. And to minimize the success of a program that's been winning for near the entirety of 25 years is just silly. Winning is never easy. There are no bad teams in the Big Ten conference. And there aren't many teams that want anything to do with 4 trophy games every season.
I'm not sure what your problem with good punting is. But the sport is called "foot"ball.
You make a good point that KF is compensated very well. Dealing with negativity in the community is part of the job. But annual surveys of high school coaches show that dealing with parents and the community is the least favorite part of their job. It's not much different for college coaches. Negative "fans" do make their job and their lives harder. If one considers himself a fan, why not simply support his team?
Yes, Hill wasn't very good.
But he was able to, at least at times, get through his progressions. Whereas, from what we saw from Marco, he was not.
Given that Marco was a true freshman, we can assume this to have been a problem for him throughout the season, and assume it to be the primary reason why the staff chose not to play him.
But again, it doesn't matter how I evaluated the the QB's getting through their progressions. And it doesn't matter what how I assume the staff evaluated it. Lester came to the same evaluation in the spring and has been quoted as saying so.
If you're implying that Lainez should have played, AGAIN, the burden is on you to make a case for Marco, no matter what you think of Hill
I'm truly glad your players had a good experience with you. Maybe the idea I have gotten about you as a coach is completely off base.
I just know that many coaches would take offense to much of the stuff you post on here. You have regularly called out coaches on here and the "WNBA" board.
It's just surprising to hear those things coming from a coach and I'd be surprised if I would have enjoyed playing for you.
You have your "opinions". I have mine
Oh really? Nothing close to true, eh? Here are direct quotes from you:
"To say Iowa would have a better record if the offense had been better is a hypothetical."
"You both ignored the point that with a better offense Iowa could have won games early in the season and potentially gotten overconfident and no-showed or even chocked in a big-game later in the season." (translation…FEWER wins)
"I'm confident saying there's a strong chance that Iowa would not have won 4 straight to get into the title game had they not faced that adversity that included a loss to Minnesota." (translation…Iowa would have FEWER wins)
"Who's to say if Iowa had that magical offense to help them beat PSU and Minnesota that they wouldn't have gotten full of themselves and had a no-show vs Illinois? Or chocked vs Nebraska?"
"Any season in which the offense would have been good enough to help the team get to late November with 1 or zero losses could have been subject to a late season overlook or choke job. Thus the team could have ended up losing a game they actually won." (translation…FEWER wins)
"Even if it's true that a better offense would have produced a better record the last two seasons, which I don't accept as the concrete fact that others are imposing"
You sure as heck aren’t saying a better offense leads to MORE wins! You are implying quite the opposite, in fact!
These are YOUR words. They are what they are. Sorry…you have been exposed. These are your EXACT words…misspellings and all. Although to your credit you did later on agree that a better offense could lead to more wins. It was like pulling teeth to get you to admit being wrong, but you came around. Good for you!
Yeah, yeah….l’m sure you will respond with “These are hypotheticals!” Yes they are. You often use worse-case hypotheticals (many of which are unlikely to ever happen) as “proof” that you are right.
Oh, and before you attack my reading comprehension, I think your meaning is quite obvious.
In any case, I’m done with you on this topic. You have a good day now, y’hear?
Last edited:
So if there's no clear answer to the Hill vs X argument, then why the hell have people complained to such an extent? That has been my point all along.
To complain, rather than trusting or even giving KF the benefit of the doubt, is laughable, and is the stuff made of haters rather than fans.
QB play has been rough for a couple years. Without the benefit of inside information, it is my opinion that BF shouldn't have been coaching the QB's. But it must be stated that an emergency QB got most of the snaps last year.
You can say what you want about a room, but only one QB can play at a time. And the QB play during KF's tenure has been more than fine
I agree that respect doesn’t mean blind loyalty. Surely, though, Kirk deserves the respect of Hawk fans and you admit as much. By your own admission, then, you owe him respect.
Imagine writing paragraph after paragraph. Spending god knows how many hours in this one thread typing up stuff where no sane person will read at this point.
Latest posts
-
-
-
-
Football Intel: O'Lontae Dean OV, 2025 Potential Flips, Kaleb Brown- Latest: Eliot Clough
