Keegan is not a bad defender at all. Not sure where you’re getting that.
ESPN NBA Draft Analyst: Payton Sandfort has a Ready-Made Skill for the NBA. Invited to May 12-19 NBA Draft Combine
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He's better now, and at a high level. When he first came into the League, his defense wasn't good. After guarding Fox last summer, he improved a ton. That's where I'm getting that from.
Given that PMac & Krikke didn't rebound, PS had many rebounds fall into his lap. Someone had to pick up the ball...
Another mock having him go #49This NBA mock draft has Payton going #49 to the Indiana Pacers.
Previous mock draft spot: No. 52
School/team: Iowa
Position: SF
Size: 6'7", 215 lbs
Age: 21, Junior
Nationality: American
Pro comparison: Sam Hauser
Payton Sandfort will look to use NBA combine drills and scrimmages and team workouts to sell teams on his shooting versatility/accuracy and competitiveness.
His stroke could look clean enough to justify a special role, while the right intangibles could give him an extra edge.
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Payton Sandfort is one of the best three point shooters in the 2024 NBA Draft, but he also has a deadly in between game. Sandfort was a lethal 57.8% from short to 17 and 45.5% from 17 to the 3PT line per @SynergySST
Sandfort doesn’t have a traditional high volume self creation off the bounce game, but his ability to come off a DHO or ball screen and pull-up either on or off balance, using his 6’7” frame to shoot comfortably over contests over either shoulder, gives his offensive game more dimension than most pure three point specialists
Payton Sandfort is one of the best three point shooters in the 2024 NBA Draft, but he also has a deadly in between game. Sandfort was a lethal 57.8% from short to 17 and 45.5% from 17 to the 3PT line per @SynergySST
Sandfort doesn’t have a traditional high volume self creation off the bounce game, but his ability to come off a DHO or ball screen and pull-up either on or off balance, using his 6’7” frame to shoot comfortably over contests over either shoulder, gives his offensive game more dimension than most pure three point specialists
Do those who know Payton or his family think he would leave as a second-round pick?
What's interesting is that he's considered a 2nd round pick next year, too. Could he improve his stock by returning to Iowa? If so, by how much? This year's draft is considered weak. Not sure about next year. He's got a lot to weigh....
Projected as a 1st round draft pick here:
MAY 9, 2024
24. Payton Sandfort
Payton Sandfort's shotmaking felt very persuasive this year, given the quick release, contested makes, the diversity of his jumpers and the accuracy on those catch-and-shoot, movement and pull-up looks.
He's also very effective scoring off 1-2 dribbles when playing out of spot-ups.
Sandfort's creation and athletic limitations will hold him back at both ends, but he's lethal around the perimeter with valued role-player intangibles like IQ and toughness.
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2024 NBA Draft Big Board: Top 50 Prospects Ahead of the NBA Combine
JONATHAN WASSERMANMAY 9, 2024
24. Payton Sandfort
Payton Sandfort's shotmaking felt very persuasive this year, given the quick release, contested makes, the diversity of his jumpers and the accuracy on those catch-and-shoot, movement and pull-up looks.
He's also very effective scoring off 1-2 dribbles when playing out of spot-ups.
Sandfort's creation and athletic limitations will hold him back at both ends, but he's lethal around the perimeter with valued role-player intangibles like IQ and toughness.
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Any mock that does not have Shannon drafted at all is pure garbage.
I think he is a lock to be a lottery guy.
I think he is a lock to be a lottery guy.
Wow, if that doesn't scream NBA code for “whitey” nothing does.
That was my point earlier. Even if he comes back next year and kills it his limitations physically will always be there. So if someone picks him 45 this year vs 45 next year why come back? I guess it just depends on if he likes college and playing for the hawks.
Not sure how much Payton likes being at Iowa and playing with his bro, who will get more minutes if he leaves. I also don't know what a second round player makes. I don't think it is much more than a lot of college players get in NIL $$. I think Iowa can be a top 30-40 team, if he returns and the team stays healthy.
He won't make a team as a 2nd round pick. He's going to the G or D league or whatever it's called to work on his game. We also know the NIL for Iowa basketball isn't much.
The vast, vast majority of 2nd rounders see at least some time in the NBA, especially those picked out of college (as opposed to foreign draft/stash guys).
if he's a 2nd rounder, he likely has a career like Joe Wieskamp and Luka Garza, where he's bouncing back and forth between the G League and the NBA team.
From what I can tell, Luka has earned $2.6M in 3 years; Joe's earned $3.1M.
Googled quickly, and apparently second round picks make more than I thought. Usually, early second round picks make about $3M/yr for 3 years. Guaranteed salary is $1.1M/yr, and often a 3-yr deal, so good money relative us normal shmuks.
Comparing him to Weiskamp, who I think was a much better version of Sandfort. Joe was also a 2nd round pick and has barely spent any time in the NBA the last 3 years. Does Payton really want to sacrifice his last year at Iowa to play in the G league and then maybe go to Europe?
Joe's combine measurables (vertical, shuttle times, etc) jumped off the charts with athleticism. I don't think PS is near the athlete.
Can you really put a price tag on your only chance to live the "college life", play with your friends, and in Payton's case your brother?
Unlike Keegan when he chose to leave early to be a guaranteed top 10 pick, Payton is debating whether to leave early to be a probable 35-45 pick.
Keegan had a similar choice to make, but with much, much more at $take.
For Payton, the G League/Europe isn't going anywhere.
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He may not be with going to trial in June before draft.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-b...r-terrence-shannon-jr-stand-trial-felony-rape
Most definitely, if you're a top 10 prospect...or at the very least a 'guaranteed' first rounder. Where all the experts are grading you no worse than going in the 15-25 range.
In Payton's case, not so much.
The G-league isn't going anywhere. It can wait a year.
College is the peak of your youth and outside of starting a family of his own someday, the best of times.
I hope his family and advisors are making sure he understands that.
Absolutely. With NIL money, I don’t see the point of going pro to be a 2nd round draft pick. He’s not old for his class like the Murrays. The money will be there next year, maybe more. The chance to play college ball with your bro as a senior and be THE man is special. I’ve a feeling 20 years from now Joe W will wish that he had returned to play with Garza and Keegan. That team could have beat anyone.
If he's going to be a second round pick this year and probably next year then his decision should be based on which year he thinks he has a better chance of sticking with a team. If it's a weak draft this year, I think I'd take my chances. But it probably depends on how he does at the combine. If his stock stays the same or rises then leave.
So, Payton is likely to be a second-round pick. He is likely to get over $1M/yr for at least a couple of years. That probably won't change if he waits until next year, although this year's draft is weak. The odds are against him to make and stick on an NBA team. He can almost certainly make good money playing overseas.
On the other hand, Payton will be the leader on the Iowa team if he returns. He will be a likely candidate for all-B1G honors. He will get to play with his brother, on a team, which seems to have potential to play in the dance.
Seems like a tough personal decision. I hope he decides to return to lead Iowa to an exciting season...
On the other hand, Payton will be the leader on the Iowa team if he returns. He will be a likely candidate for all-B1G honors. He will get to play with his brother, on a team, which seems to have potential to play in the dance.
Seems like a tough personal decision. I hope he decides to return to lead Iowa to an exciting season...
take a look again.
as you will see,
14. Terrence Shannon Jr.
Front offices will debate Terrence Shannon Jr.'s speed, slashing, shot making improvement and defensive tools versus age, streaky shooting and a reliance on high usage and athleticism.
Investigations into rape allegations will still be the most important part of any pre-draft homework. The University of Illinois recently dropped its investigation, citing insufficient evidence. However, a criminal case in Kansas remains open, and Shannon will have a hearing on May 10.
The results will be critical for his draft stock, as will each team's own findings.
Just evaluating on-court development and NBA fit (if he's cleared of disturbing allegations), an improved handle, lightning first step downhill and shotmaking confidence have made Shannon a high-level player in ball-screen situations. Between his rim pressure in transition and as a pick-and-roll ball-handler, and his 31 made pull-ups threes and 46 made catch-and-shoot threes, he's gradually evolved into an NBA scoring prospect.
Boy did I get pounded for saying he was really good and lacked a supportive cast around him. We will miss him.
Good Lord, does Edey have ANOTHER year? Seems like he's been there for 6 years. I will be so glad when this covid shit is done.....
The college experience is so much different now. Campuses are like ghost towns now.
I would guarantee that Wieskamp regrets nothing and never will. He didn't even want to come back for the 20-21 season. There was a 0% chance he would have come back for a senior year.
These kids ultimate goal is to play in the league. If you think the G league is the place to do it and make you a better player that’s what you do. If we were a contender for a Big Ten championship that’s understandable. He probably can’t go wrong either way.
Right, totally agree ...and he can start that journey next year.
After he becomes a legend by helping the Hawkeyes finally get to the S16.
If Sandfort goes pro (even as a 2nd rounder), Fran and the Iowa media will be able to justify the team not being competitive for next season’s NCAA tournament— built-in excuse
