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Unfortunately, living in Omaha I hear a lot of Nebraska sports talk radio. On my drive home yesterday, they talked about Iowa and their chances to win the West. They still think Iowa is a pretender and like NW. One guy said based on previous Iowa teams, thats a negative on winning the West. Hawks either start off slow or can't finish the season strong. He basically said that all he needs to look at is the history of Iowa/Kirk and he's convinced that it wont happen. They talked about our ugly wins and we don't put style points on the board. Ive noticed that any time an Iowa topic comes up, compared to other Big Ten teams, they have the attitude of "Meh.." Beating Northwestern is not going to make people believers. We need to finish strong and I think this team can.

Thoughts on Injuries: Im not one to complain about injuries, unless the starting QB is out. I don't think we should make any excuses about injuries because we are fortunate enough to have a coach that builds depth. Im reading Iowa fans complaining on NW message boards about injuries and it makes me sick seeing that. Every team has injuries, every year the good teams power through them. We can be that team. As a Packers fan, I saw a depleted football team win the Super Bowl in 2011. Leadership is important and that's an underrated trait this team has.

Do you see something different in this team? What will it take for people to actually appreciate our type of football?
My thoughts, never. Win games and it doesn't matter.
 
590 am and 1620 am have dedicated time each week to hawk football and nothing said yesterday was in any way dissing hawk football, just stating facts of past seasons and this season. If anyone heard what national host Russillo had to say then you'd be right to be PO'd as he and Kanell did completely dismiss Hawks season.
The only way to shut them up is to keep winning.
 
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SeaBassWins said:
590 am and 1620 am have dedicated time each week to hawk football and nothing said yesterday was in any way dissing hawk football, just stating facts of past seasons and this season. If anyone heard what national host Russillo had to say then you'd be right to be PO'd as he and Kanell did completely dismiss Hawks season.
The only way to shut them up is to keep winning.
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I didn't say they were dissing Iowa? I think you are taking this the wrong way. I found it interesting that they are dismissing our chances of winning the West based on past seasons. And I would like to hear how this team is different than previous teams or how they aren't.
 
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I'm not an avid fan of hawk football so I'll defer to you on how this team is compares to previous hawk teams. I was just pointing out that the local radio is fair to hawk football and has dedicated time each week when they bring on hawk beat writers etc...did you hear Russillo? He was a bit harsh. Good luck to the Hawks Saturday.
 
What is the number conference championships Ferentz has compared to Riley? If they are taking history into account, that seems like a comparison that is in play?

I actually like listening to 590. They sometimes talk more Hawkeye football than 1460 in Des Moines. Usually pretty fair to the Hawks.
 
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It's ridiculous to say that Iowa is a pretender to win the division. The first reason being that I honestly believe Iowa is the best team in the division. But even if you don't believe that, Iowa sits in first place right now with only one ranked team left on the schedule. The division is not strong. It's also not as big of a joke as the Big 12 North was for a few years as Iowa, Northwestern, and Wisconsin are all fringe top 25 teams at worst, and Minnesota, Illinois, and Nebraska are all bowl-caliber teams.

Looking at the remaining schedule, I think the most likely outcome is that Iowa finishes 6-2 in the conference, which could be good enough to win the division. Furthermore, the second most difficult game left on Iowa's schedule is our last game at Nebraska. The most realistic scenario, as of now, is that we enter that game either 11-0 or 10-1 (according to ESPN's FPI forecast, we have over a 50% chance of entering the Nebraska game with one loss or less). That is a completely unbiased probability. If we add in a more pessimistic view and assume Iowa enters the final game at Nebraska with a 9-2 (5-2) record, we will still be mathematically alive to win the division unless Northwestern wins their next 4 games after Iowa; there is only a 7% chance of this happening, according to ESPN's FPI.

If people want to call Iowa a pretender to win the Big 10, I don't have a problem with that, because whoever comes from the Big 10 East will be better than the winner of the Big 10 West. And if people want to call Iowa a pretender to be a top 10 team, I don't have a problem with that either, even though there is a very realistic chance we end up there at some point this season. I don't believe this is an elite Iowa team, but it is a good team, easily one of the top 30 in college football - and that is pretty much a unanimous opinion among unbiased parties.

Given the current-scenario outlined above, it is ridiculous to call Iowa a pretender to win the division. Iowa is just as likely to win the West as Ohio State is to win the East.
 
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1) If you're a Nebraska fan, you base everything on past seasons, it's how you think.
2) It's hard to argue that based on past history, we will win the West, because we never have, and never won the Legends either.

There's a first time for everything...
 
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Whatever anybody is or isn't saying doesn't really matter at this point. I have come to expect Hawkeye ridicule in Omaha. It's just the way it is, and that probably won't ever change. There is a lot of football left to be played, and the Hawkeyes just have to keep taking it one game at a time.
Regarding injuries, I am sure Beathard is hurting, but hopefully not too bad. Iowa has powered through every injury situation so far, but if we lose him we will be in big trouble.
 
I hope everyone keeps talking about how the Hawks CAN'T do something and I hope the team hears it. Go Hawks!
 
I didn't hear what Russillo said but I heard he said Iowa wasn't good because they have only beat Wisconsin and they aren't very good. That is just horrible analysis. Not good compared to what? Are they top 10 or 15? no but they have looked like a top 25 team so far. That doesn't mean they aren't good. I imagine they were the same ones who predicted Wisconsin and Minnesota to be the best teams in the West.
Iowa hasn't even played their best football yet and they haven't been healthy either.
 
That's ridiculous. I don't think we'll go undefeated but the B1G West is the Hawks to lose and I don't see that happening. Nebraska has losses to burn, Minnesota and NW each have one loss. It's early, but it would take a partial meltdown at this point.

This is in every way a top 25 team- and climbing. Wins are wins and, similar to 2009, getting in the habit of locking them down is what puts you on the map. This year is actually less gasp-inducing than some of the close calls of 09. Let's hope the solid performance continues. I think it will.
 
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Did you think of that one all by yourself? That's cute, not clever or witty, but for a little guy so cute.
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Yes I did, it is cute, and clever and witty as well, thank you. Thanks buddy, I appreciate it. Do you flog yourself at night for your sins?
 
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Yes I did, it is cute, and clever and witty as well, thank you. Thanks buddy, I appreciate it. Do you flog yourself at night for your sins?
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A message board in not the place to look for the thing you need to fill that giant hole of bitterness and regret you so obviously possess. Please seek treatment elsewhere.
 
Folks...there's no reason to get our collective panties in a bunch. We have lived through this for a long time here. Personally, IMHO (as posted)...I say let them under-estimate us. It causes zero true harm as to the outcomes. The only thing that matter is Iowa believes in themselves that they can do it.

Their point is valid. Until Iowa does actually win this, it's fair to believe they won't. Hell, I think that way - but that does not mean it WILL happen. Context, folks.

However, anybody can read a schedule and with a reasonable degree of plausibility say Iowa has a better chance then anybody else to win the west IF they beat NW. And as posted...the only way to change their minds is to prove them wrong.
 
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Both 590 am and 1620 am still believes Debbie can run the table and make it to the CCG. Only recently they begun talking about their National Championship hopes going down the drain.

And yes they still think Iowa can't win in Lincoln this year.
 
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Both 590 am and 1620 am still believes Debbie can run the table and make it to the CCG. Only recently they begun talking about their National Championship hopes going down the drain.

And yes they still think Iowa can't win in Lincoln this year.
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I think this is a good thing for our boys. They certainly heard they couldn't win in Madison.
 
I'm guessing no one saw Iowa winning the Big 10 in 2004 when we got thumped 44-7 by ASU and beat Penn St 6-4. Not a lot of style points there but they figured out how to win games.
 
LuckyNed said:
Both 590 am and 1620 am still believes Debbie can run the table and make it to the CCG. Only recently they begun talking about their National Championship hopes going down the drain.

And yes they still think Iowa can't win in Lincoln this year.
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Maintaining "so you're saying there's a chance" keeps listeners listening.

Once they lose again eliminating the run the table hope...then they shift to beating the rest and the Iowa storyline.

Yesterday on 1600 in CR, them being a Cyclone affiliate - they were talking about how ISU can possibly compete and possibly win against TCU, Baylor etc. Affiliates aren't going to kick their team to the curb, they will focus the story on what they can to maintain listeners.

Oh...and The Fuskers can still beat Iowa, as unlikely as it seems right now to Hawk fans.
 
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1. How many style points does Nebraska have?

2. Nebraska has never won a BG title, so that means they never will win a B1G title. Is that the logic being used here?

3. Who really cares what they think anyway.
 
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Both 590 am and 1620 am still believes Debbie can run the table and make it to the CCG. Only recently they begun talking about their National Championship hopes going down the drain.

And yes they still think Iowa can't win in Lincoln this year.
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You must listen through your "angry bitter hawk fan head phones". There has been nothing like that on either station.
 
Win tomorrow and then let's talk.

NU beating (dominating ) Stanford is looking better and better. If Michigan thumps Sparty, things get very interesting
 
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You must listen through your "angry bitter hawk fan head phones". There has been nothing like that on either station.
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Pretty tough to be angry and bitter sitting at the top at 6-0....now if we were 2-4, most penalized team in the nation, had the 10th ranked defense in the big ten, had players blowing kisses and telling fan base we suck, and held on to the 90's tighter than the most avid NSYNC fan......that would make me angry and bitter
 
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Ok, Smokey.
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No rebuttal for the truth eh.....Nebby is below the likes of Indiana, NW, Illinois and about 8 more big ten teams.....Iowa and Nebby have to common opponents Iowa 2-0 and Nebby is 0-2.....hey maybe you win out and go 8-4 and lose your bowl game as always and end up 8-5...mean while us Hawk fans and Bo are sitting back and enjoying this train wreck....but hey maybe you will beat us in basketball, wrestling, baseball.......oh wait never mind you can't do that either
 
milehighhawkeye24 said:
That's me, it's a cute nickname the cornhusker gave me since I live in CO....he's just upset bc he just found out that Nebby can't beat Iowa at anything anymore.....not even at producing corn
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Thanks for taking my advice and only talking about the 2015 version of the Hawks, as stated before that is the only thing working in your favor. You're played out, move along, smoke breaks over.
 
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