Even if it works, a pitch sweep in own endzone...
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However, if we punt there instead we give them a very short field which maybe they score a TD or very likely get a FG. The free kick got us back into a manageable field position game which we forced them to punt after the free kick. So we basically gave up 2 instead of 3 or 7 by punting since the D held after the free kick.
I like the logic and all, but with the safety Iowa gives up two points and possession.
If Iowa punts it away (no safety) there's no guarantee that PSU scores a point. They weren't exactly burning up the scoreboard at that point. Even if they do score, Iowa gets possession of the ball.
I fear you and Ferentz may have taken the same math classes. The numbers are not in your favor here.
https://www.hawkeyenation.com/forum...t-decade-in-iowa-football-has-been-bad.68805/
do you go to different iowa boards just to make a single post talking about the staff and then run away?
Game, set match? You realize we took the lead much later right? LMAO
Hypothetically? 10 yards less than if they do score? Assuming three and out and no turn over.
So you want Iowa to give up potentially 9 points to maybe gain 10-15 yards? Another graduate of the KF school of mathematics.
It may not have been the best call but the safety at the time allowed us to flip the field at least for a little bit.
My greater disappointment was it was one of several opportunities to go over the top on PSU. With that situation I just wanted to see a play action short drop and throw down the sideline to ISM streaking to see if we could get a big play. PSU was not playing deep safeties at all and it was man on man with the best vertical threat we have. Our historical tendency was to do exactly what we did and that is QB sneak for 1-2 yards.
We just failed to go downfield on downs and situations where we have a historical tendencies to do something basic. In the prior games we were less predictable but I'm sure the fear of a turnover in this game changed our thinking.
My greater disappointment was it was one of several opportunities to go over the top on PSU. With that situation I just wanted to see a play action short drop and throw down the sideline to ISM streaking to see if we could get a big play. PSU was not playing deep safeties at all and it was man on man with the best vertical threat we have. Our historical tendency was to do exactly what we did and that is QB sneak for 1-2 yards.
We just failed to go downfield on downs and situations where we have a historical tendencies to do something basic. In the prior games we were less predictable but I'm sure the fear of a turnover in this game changed our thinking.
When we got it at the one the thought went through my mind that taking a safety to flip field position might not be a bad idea. Was so tired of PSU getting the ball at the 50 every possession.
It didn't flip the field, that's just it.
After the safety Iowa kicked off to the Penn State 35. Penn State drove down to the Iowa 33. Iowa took over on downs after Penn State failed the conversion on fourth and three.
No matter how you choose to look at it, the math is not in favor of taking a safety in this instance.
After the safety Iowa kicked off to the Penn State 35. Penn State drove down to the Iowa 33. Iowa took over on downs after Penn State failed the conversion on fourth and three.
No matter how you choose to look at it, the math is not in favor of taking a safety in this instance.
It was a mis-direction play. Fake dive (cuz everyone in the stadium was expecting a conservative play up the middle), counter pitch-out. If the PSU defender doesn't do his job AND make a great play Wadley would have gotten out of the end zone.
In the end, it was one play in a 2 point game - there were probably more than 20 plays that could have changed the outcome. Both teams made plays and both teams made mistakes. It didn't go our way last night. On to MSU.
In the end, it was one play in a 2 point game - there were probably more than 20 plays that could have changed the outcome. Both teams made plays and both teams made mistakes. It didn't go our way last night. On to MSU.
If the play works it's an incredible call, if it doesn't, not so much.
Lol the D end came in untouched as the TE went out on a passing route (or to block the safety). There were two other PSU defenders in the end zone to ensure Wadley doesn't escape a safety.
Didn't we get the pick and short field and score right after the safety or next series? The flipped field did help. We gave up 2 pts and got to kick off and PSU started at maybe their own 25 yard line and threw a pick which gave us a short field. Compare that outcome with no safety. Punt out of end zone for short field, giving up 3pts, receive kickoff and starting position at our 20, 3 and out and 35 yard punt and back in trouble again. We were probably looking at down 10-0 with no safety vs being up 7-5 with the safety. Safety worked out because we got and INT and a short field to score a TD.
The way BF was calling plays, we were 3 and out unless we got field position.
It was the series after. Iowa actually picked up a first down too which was a lot more of an aid in flipping field position than the safety.
After the safety, PSU started on their own 35, not 25.
The thing that helped Iowa was that PSU was in no man's land on 4th and 3 on Iowa's 33 yd line. They went for it and didn't convert.
Exactly. If wadley makes 5 yds on the play or runs for a 1st down nobody is even bringing it up and we are praising BF for breaking tendency. Armchair QBs carry on tho.
In essence we gave up 2pts for 30 yds of field position instead of them more than likely getting 3 or 7. I assume you bitch about our punter too and would be complaining if he shanked one out at the 25 yd line punting from back of EZ and they score a quick TD.
In a game of inches 30 yards of field position is a ton.
In essence we gave up 2pts for 30 yds of field position instead of them more than likely getting 3 or 7. I assume you bitch about our punter too and would be complaining if he shanked one out at the 25 yd line punting from back of EZ and they score a quick TD.
In a game of inches 30 yards of field position is a ton.
It is called all the time at the goal-line. It wasn't a very good fake. The D-end read it all the way. Had the D-end gone for the FB dive at all - there was a decent block by the WR and it would have gotten out of the end zone.
We had a 4-point lead with under 2:00 to go and lost on the last play of the game. In hindsight, it didn't work so everyone can act like a big f'ing know-it-all OC. Congrats!
We had a 4-point lead with under 2:00 to go and lost on the last play of the game. In hindsight, it didn't work so everyone can act like a big f'ing know-it-all OC. Congrats!
Any play that puts the ball in the hands of Iowa's far and away best player, no matter where it is on the field, or the eventual result, is a good play call in my book.
Don't hate the call it just didn't work out. We put the ball in the open field in our best playmakers hands. The defense just made a play. People always complain about the predictability of Iowa's offense. Now when we do something that might be a little bit different just because it didn't work out people are going insane.
As if they were not getting possession of the ball (in iowa territory) if we punted? They were getting possession of the ball regardless of what happened there. As I said we traded 2 pts for 30 yds of field position. Thought you were good at math no? Not saying taking a safety intentionally is a good idea there but in THIS case it worked out as good as it could have for iowa imo.
In the end. We left 7pts on the board. They left 6. They still win by 1 and were the better team.
Now if we would have given up the safety on 3rd down instead of 2nd PSU doesn't have that last 4 seconds to score at the end. (Tongue in cheek emoji)
This is what Austin Blythe said the unblock Dlineman didn't bite on fake and made a hell of a play but that the way it was designed
I'm not a math wizard, but I can figure out that punting the ball away and risking (at most) 30 yds and 3 or 7 points is the better option. Such as giving up two guaranteed points, kicking off from the 20, and risking giving up 3 or 7 more points.
This is all assuming Iowa doesn't pick up the first down on that series, hence the giving up a possession.
We could have picked up the 1st down then thrown a pick -6. No matter what happens a small vocal group will b!tch about it here and on call- in shows.
Play calling all game left a lot to be desired.
Play calling is what it is. When it works you look good, when it don't you saw what happens.
If I'm calling into the call in show, I'm asking two questions:
Why did you have to burn a TO after your last TD in order to figure out to go for two up four?
How do you not challenge the call on Barkley's knee being down?
So we can't assume (according to you) that PSU would have scored if we punted instead of the safety. But we can assume iowa could have picked up a 1st down there? How many 1st downs did iowa have up to that point? 1 at most? And you would have been OK with an aggressive play call on 3rd and 8 from the 3 yard line to get the first or would you bitch about a sack/fumble or INT there as well?
You have a good career in politics waiting for you with your narrow mindedness.
Well, in fairness to some of those folks, they were probably insane long before that play call.
Play calling was good. We did pass in the 1st half and guys were open but receivers dropped the ball and Stanley was off target.
The burned timeout and missed 2 point had little or no impact on the final drive. They needed aTD either way. Maybe we call timeout in the middle of the drive but I doubt it plays out much different than it did.
The knee down wasn't obvious in the stadium with little time to take a look on the big screen before the next play. And at that point timeouts were important because we may have needed all of them to get the ball back.
The burned timeout and missed 2 point had little or no impact on the final drive. They needed aTD either way. Maybe we call timeout in the middle of the drive but I doubt it plays out much different than it did.
The knee down wasn't obvious in the stadium with little time to take a look on the big screen before the next play. And at that point timeouts were important because we may have needed all of them to get the ball back.
Well the next time we play someone and give up a safety to go down 5-0 in the second quarter we should just all leave the stadium or turn off the TV because it's over at that point.
Play calling has been good all damn year. Just cuz you can push the reset button on your Nintendo when the computer stops you doesn't change that fact.
Completely agree with your last 2 points. KF was not prepared or thinking ahead having to go for 2 there. That should be a no brainer and he failed knowing that. Yet again. I'm sure he was just thinking FG to win game but still no excuse. I also thought he should have called TO or whatever needed to be done to challenge Barkeleys knee down. I could never confirm myself it was down but I didnt have slow mo to see it and TV never slowed it down enough to tell.
The poor angles by the D to the edge and letting Barkley get outside too much cost us the game more than the safety. Hooker took a bad angle on SB 44 yard run. He should have stopped that play where his knee may have been down. Jewell getting beat by SB on last drive to the outside to pick up 1st down and get OOB. Jewell should have jumped to the outside taking away the sideline and forced him back inside where help is and to keep the clock running or force them to use a TO.
Sure but that's the type of game i wish we could get all 12 weeks. It was awesome even in a loss to be in that atmosphere with high stakes. It was great.
I'm just smarter now having read this thread knowing that it was over at 5-0 in the second quarter because of that safety. Nothing else mattered and there were no other mistakes made on either side of the ball from that point forward.
The angles were killing the D all night. Iowa seemed content forcing Barkley outside all game even if it meant giving up five to seven more yards. That could have been the game plan in order to stop the home run too.
The one play PSU ran which was big is the one you're talking about. The PSU WRs all ran go routes leaving Jewell one on one with Barkley.
Where did you read that "nothing else mattered" or the game was over in the second quarter? Not from me I know.
Seems kind of like a butthurt mentality.
