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Even if it works, a pitch sweep in own endzone...

Would have saved yourself a lot of heartache, no?

So why did you not start this thread immediately after the safety if it was game set match at that point and why did you bother watching the rest of the game if you knew the outcome?

You seriously expect iowa to win every battle on every play especially against a team of PSU caliber? Was the play calling on the 3 TDs acceptable to you? Do you honestly think you are smarter than our coaches? Do PSU fans have nothing to bitch about and make excuses for since they won? Or should have they won by 30 which is what the box score indicates?
 
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Play calling has been good all damn year. Just cuz you can push the reset button on your Nintendo when the computer stops you doesn't change that fact.

Just have to execute and clean some things up in order to break the top 90 in total offense. Iowa is 93rd.
Maybe the top 70 in scoring offense. Iowa is 73rd.

You're right. The offense has been a real juggernaut. The play calling has been spot on.
 
So why did you not start this thread immediately after the safety if it was game set match at that point and why did you bother watching the rest of the game if you knew the outcome?

You seriously expect iowa to win every battle on every play especially against a team of PSU caliber? Was the play calling on the 3 TDs acceptable to you? Do you honestly think you are smarter than our coaches? Do PSU fans have nothing to bitch about and make excuses for since they won? Or should have they won by 30 which is what the box score indicates?

Because I wasn't the one who said it was over after the safety. Maybe that's why?

Where did I say I was smarter than the coaches? You think the coaches were trying for a safety? Absolutely not.

I'm saying that I am smarter than any fan who thinks that the safety there was beneficial for the Hawks.
 
Just have to execute and clean some things up in order to break the top 90 in total offense. Iowa is 93rd.
Maybe the top 70 in scoring offense. Iowa is 73rd.

You're right. The offense has been a real juggernaut. The play calling has been spot on.
You're such a jerkoff. Why don't you compare the style of play... of course the no defense big 12 and all the spread offenses that ramp up possessions and statistics are going to appear better than our poor, inept Hawkeyes.

We're 3-1... 1 play from 4-0 after playing #4 ... Play calling has been good,... much better than adequate and I think will continue to improve.
 
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You're such a jerkoff. Why don't you compare the style of play... of course the no defense big 12 and all the spread offenses that ramp up possessions and statistics are going to appear better than our poor, inept Hawkeyes.

We're 3-1... 1 play from 4-0 after playing #4 ... Play calling has been good,... much better than adequate and I think will continue to improve.

Misery loves company!
 
"Hooker took a bad angle on SB 44 yard run. He should have stopped that play where his knee may have been down. Jewell getting beat by SB on last drive to the outside to pick up 1st down and get OOB. Jewell should have jumped to the outside taking away the sideline and forced him back inside where help is and to keep the clock running or force them to use a TO."

You must be a HOF college player, at least.

To criticize, or "make a teaching point", to the individuals named requires some level of expertise. Your comments do not take into fact that a much better athlete wins in a point of competition most times.

You have defined internet bravery.

Make those same statements with your name and contact information public. I'm sure all of the athletes you critique will get back to you and ask to explore some more of your expertise.
 
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You're such a jerkoff. Why don't you compare the style of play... of course the no defense big 12 and all the spread offenses that ramp up possessions and statistics are going to appear better than our poor, inept Hawkeyes.

We're 3-1... 1 play from 4-0 after playing #4 ... Play calling has been good,... much better than adequate and I think will continue to improve.

Name calling. Pretty much says "I'm beat, you're right."
 
Name calling. Pretty much says "I'm beat, you're right."
Yeah, in your world.

Name calling in this case was to accentuate the fact that you are comparing apples and oranges with your statistical reference. The last thing Coach Ferentz cares about are the f'ing statistics or rankings.
 
Yeah, in your world.

Name calling in this case was to accentuate the fact that you are comparing apples and oranges with your statistical reference. The last thing Coach Ferentz cares about are the f'ing statistics or rankings.

Apples to oranges? Last time I checked it was comparing all FBS offenses stats.

I guess if I was comparing Iowa basketball's offensive stats to the FBS offenses, that would be apples to oranges. Style of offense and scoring offense are still apples to apples even though you don't like the results.
 
"Hooker took a bad angle on SB 44 yard run. He should have stopped that play where his knee may have been down. Jewell getting beat by SB on last drive to the outside to pick up 1st down and get OOB. Jewell should have jumped to the outside taking away the sideline and forced him back inside where help is and to keep the clock running or force them to use a TO."

You must be a HOF college player, at least.

To criticize, or "make a teaching point", to the individuals named requires some level of expertise. Your comments do not take into fact that a much better athlete wins in a point of competition most times.

You have defined internet bravery.

Make those same statements with your name and contact information public. I'm sure all of the athletes you critique will get back to you and ask to explore some more of your expertise.

Settle down champ. Wasn't intended to be critical. More pointing out those things cost us the game more so than that safety which worked out perfectly in the end. And I hope our coaches are using those bad angles as teaching moments. Doesn't take a high level of expertise or HOF credentials to see and point that out. Agree that SB speed quickness etc played a big part in the missed angles we took. Guessing he was faster and quicker in person than what they expected and our instincts were off. I've played with a few HOF'ers but far from one myself. You still need my name and address?
 
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Apples to oranges? Last time I checked it was comparing all FBS offenses stats.

I guess if I was comparing Iowa basketball's offensive stats to the FBS offenses, that would be apples to oranges. Style of offense and scoring offense are still apples to apples even though you don't like the results.
Apples to oranges? Last time I checked it was comparing all FBS offenses stats.

I guess if I was comparing Iowa basketball's offensive stats to the FBS offenses, that would be apples to oranges. Style of offense and scoring offense are still apples to apples even though you don't like the results.

It is not that I don't like the results, I don't care about the results you reference.

If I did, then you'd already know the #1 scoring offense of Oregon (3-1) just lost to ASU (2-2) The statistics you refer to don't matter. They are irrelevant to the success of Iowa football!

Our offensive play calls will never be perfect, but they were good enough to win last night. We play tough, physical, complementary football. I get that you don't like the style of play but is has been and will continue to be successful.
 
Play calling has been good all damn year. Just cuz you can push the reset button on your Nintendo when the computer stops you doesn't change that fact.

WRONG!

In space Wadley is one of the best backs in the country, so how do we use him 80%-90% of the time...off tackle to the short side against an 8 or 9 man front. The boundary side is not space. On the safety PSU has all 11 players within 6 yards of the LOS, so what do we do? We run a weak fake to the FB, block the DE to the field, leave the boundary DE unblocked, and run to the boundary. The DE has an unobstructed view of the play, there is no way he gets fooled and even if Wadley can make him miss, there is a CB, S, and LB all, as close, or closer to the goal line than he is. Even if this play had been blocked perfectly, and it nearly was, it can't go anywhere because Wadley has to turn up field too quickly to try to get out of the end zone.

However, if you pitch it to him to the field side, he has room to stretch the play out, if he needs to, before he has to turn up field. Watch the replay, it's obvious.

I don't have a problem pitching the ball in our own end zone, but if you're going to do that, give to the runner in a position where he can use his best assets, not where those assets are greatly diminished.
 
WRONG!

In space Wadley is one of the best backs in the country, so how do we use him 80%-90% of the time...off tackle to the short side against an 8 or 9 man front. The boundary side is not space. On the safety PSU has all 11 players within 6 yards of the LOS, so what do we do? We run a weak fake to the FB, block the DE to the field, leave the boundary DE unblocked, and run to the boundary. The DE has an unobstructed view of the play, there is no way he gets fooled and even if Wadley can make him miss, there is a CB, S, and LB all, as close, or closer to the goal line than he is. Even if this play had been blocked perfectly, and it nearly was, it can't go anywhere because Wadley has to turn up field too quickly to try to get out of the end zone.

However, if you pitch it to him to the field side, he has room to stretch the play out, if he needs to, before he has to turn up field. Watch the replay, it's obvious.

I don't have a problem pitching the ball in our own end zone, but if you're going to do that, give to the runner in a position where he can use his best assets, not where those assets are greatly diminished.

The play didn't work, I get that. It is designed to leave the DE unblocked, expecting him to go down the line to stop the inside run. Thinking, at a minimum, Wadley could out race him to the sideline and get out of the endzone. The DE didn't bite on the (poorly executed) fake and bottled it up.

From the stands, I was hoping on the 1st down play we send ISM on a fly pattern 1 on 1 and see what happens. In hindsight we should have done that on downs 1-3 and then intentionally took the safety - since the safety left us with a 7-5 halftime lead.

I still believe the play calling has been good this year. I like what Coach B Ferentz has done each week. Perhaps I'm tainted by the years reading posts on here and the idiots sitting around me at the game. I realize that not every play is going to get a 1st down or a TD. We could have run something else (like Michigan did last year) and ended up with PSU getting a safety anyways. I see the design and thought process behind the call and don't think it was that bad despite the result.
 
Even if it works, a pitch sweep in own end zone?? SAFETY! Game, set, match. my lord....

I think Wadley would take one on one any day and think he could get by. It was a swing for the fences for sure. PSU player didn't bite on fake up the middle and stayed locked on Wadley. If Wadley makes him miss he runs a ways for sure. There was not just one play that made the difference. There were a bunch of plays on both sides of the ball.
 
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The play didn't work, I get that. It is designed to leave the DE unblocked, expecting him to go down the line to stop the inside run. Thinking, at a minimum, Wadley could out race him to the sideline and get out of the endzone. The DE didn't bite on the (poorly executed) fake and bottled it up.

From the stands, I was hoping on the 1st down play we send ISM on a fly pattern 1 on 1 and see what happens. In hindsight we should have done that on downs 1-3 and then intentionally took the safety - since the safety left us with a 7-5 halftime lead.

I still believe the play calling has been good this year. I like what Coach B Ferentz has done each week. Perhaps I'm tainted by the years reading posts on here and the idiots sitting around me at the game. I realize that not every play is going to get a 1st down or a TD. We could have run something else (like Michigan did last year) and ended up with PSU getting a safety anyways. I see the design and thought process behind the call and don't think it was that bad despite the result.

My point was larger than that. It's in 2 parts:

1. That play either needs space for Wadley to stretch it out if the DE doesn't bite, or it has to be run from a formation that forces the boundary S and LB to line up on the field side. In that scenario he only has to beat the DE. On the play we ran, even if the DE doesn't get him, the boundary S and LB almost certainly will. It was a stupid play call. Which leads me to my main point...

2. Wadley is a fast elusive back, not a heavy bruiser, but the bulk of his carries are just off or inside the tackles. Sure, occasionally he makes a move in the hole and breaks a run. But most of the time it's 2 yards and a "cloud of rubber" when we run inside. I recognize we have to run inside, but with Wadley 70% of his carries should be on pitch sweeps, stretch plays to the field and runs out of shotgun. Mixed with a dose of flare routes, wheel routes and screens. In other words, get him the ball when he is already in space and let him create, (see Barkley). If BF will do that he will be amazed at all the option that open.

Now in BF defense I think the vast majority of the blame for our unimaginative offense falls on his father's shoulders. This is our 3rd OC and our offensive strategy is the same as it has been for 18 years, but that's a subject for a different post.
 
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I think Wadley would take one on one any day and think he could get by. It was a swing for the fences for sure. PSU player didn't bite on fake up the middle and stayed locked on Wadley. If Wadley makes him miss he runs a ways for sure. There was not just one play that made the difference. There were a bunch of plays on both sides of the ball.

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Watch the play again. Even if he gets by the DE, there is an unblocked S, and LB coming, and the C had beaten the block by our WR. The play was dead before the snap. He may have gotten out of the end zone but he would not have made it to the 5.
 
I also liked the play call, really good play by their edge defender- tip my cap on not biting on the fake. Either a safety or a huge play.......the safety ended up being not such a bad thing because of flipping the field
 
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While i got temporarily peeved about the safety. It did allow us to position the ball down field. Up till then we often had abysmal field position and a punt might have continued that trend or worse.
 
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It was a mis-direction play. Fake dive (cuz everyone in the stadium was expecting a conservative play up the middle), counter pitch-out. If the PSU defender doesn't do his job AND make a great play Wadley would have gotten out of the end zone.

In the end, it was one play in a 2 point game - there were probably more than 20 plays that could have changed the outcome. Both teams made plays and both teams made mistakes. It didn't go our way last night. On to MSU.

It was ran at an All-American LB. Not the best choice. I would of much rather seen them pass in that situation. We ran QB sneak on 1st down. I was actually saying 3 QB sneaks and punt it away.
 
FALSE

Watch the play again. Even if he gets by the DE, there is an unblocked S, and LB coming, and the C had beaten the block by our WR. The play was dead before the snap. He may have gotten out of the end zone but he would not have made it to the 5.

So they played the proper D. And if he ran it up the middle 3 times and got next to no yards and we punted people would scream about that too. And if they fell for it and Wadley ran 100 yards you would be saying BF was a genius! he tried and it didn't work because PS played proper D and maintained assignments. "THAT'S FOOTBALL!". You could focus on any play and how it could have been different if only for this or that.
 
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The biggest thing I saw on the play was execution of the pitch. If Stanley takes one more step towards Wadley before the pitch, Wadley is by the defender in the backfield.
Yes, he still has to beat two players, but Wadley has a full run and is at the goal line with the potential to take it to the house only beating two players.
Great play by the rusher who stopped Wadley before he could get going, but also a play that one step might have been the difference between nothing and a 5-10 yard run. The entire first half, Wadley had someone on him before he got out of the backfield with the run blitz PSU was running.
Wadley seems to need a small seam to break big runs while Butler was better of making his own seam to get medium runs.
 
So they played the proper D. And if he ran it up the middle 3 times and got next to no yards and we punted people would scream about that too. And if they fell for it and Wadley ran 100 yards you would be saying BF was a genius! he tried and it didn't work because PS played proper D and maintained assignments. "THAT'S FOOTBALL!". You could focus on any play and how it could have been different if only for this or that.

***Sorry this post is so long, but I want to make a couple specific points.

First, to your main point, "That's Football" applies to weird bounces of the ball, (see Auburn's TD against Georgia), or a returner dropping a ball because the sun got in his eyes. Not for poor coaching decisions. And yes, you can nitpick all plays, even the successful ones. And there was plenty to nitpick in that game. But I think this particular play was inexcusable. Now...

I wasn't criticizing BF for being too conservative, and if by some miracle Wadley broke THAT play for a TD, I certainly would not have called BF a genius, extremely lucky maybe, and I would have been ecstatic but I would not have called him a genius.

Please go back and look at the play with 2 things in mind:

(This point is not hindsight, these are things an OC needs to have in his head and BF had a long time to think about it before this series started.)

1. It is 2nd & 8 from our own 3 yard line (Right Hash). We have rushed for appx 15 net yards, primarily because PSU has been pressing the LOS and slanting to the boundary side. You should recognize this. As an OC you have basically 3 options;

a. Be conservative, pound the ball inside the tackles and punt if you don't get a 1st down. If you chose this option, either side is fine, the only thing you are worried about is ball security. You're just trying to ensure you don't turn it over in the shadow of your own goal post. That's why short passing is out...too great a chance for a pick six.

b. Be aggressive, run play action with max protection and try to hit a big play over the top. If it gets picked at the 40-45 yard line you are no worse off than if you punted. Maybe better. (Yes, there is a chance it gets picked and run back for a TD, but that doesn't happen very often on long throws, and a punt carries the same risk).

c. Calculated Risk, run something that has some risk to it, pitch, toss, reverse, even a QB draw. But also has some home run/big play potential.

To BF's credit he picked option C, some risk. Everyone in the world was expecting off tackle, so I do give him credit for that. However, you have to understand the risks and try to mitigate them. The primary risk of this play is the DE doesn't bite on the fake. To mitigate this risk you give your back maximum lateral space/depth. If the ball is in the middle of the field, or you are outside your own 20, either side is fine. But when it is on the hash, and your back is in the end zone, you MUST run this play to the field. Based on the play called, defensive tendencies to that point in the game, and the D's pre-snap alignment (give Stanley a R/L option), BF should have known this play had a 1% chance of getting to the 5 let alone a big gainer. In other words, a moderate risk for little/no potential reward. However, if he runs it to the field side and the DE doesn't bite, Wadley can give ground and still have room (12 + yards) to outrun the DE and any pursuit before he has to escape the end zone.

Running this play to the boundary is baffling.

This part is hindsight but if you're going to pick option C, I think this would have been the obvious choice;

2. Wadley may have actually housed a toss-sweep to the field. Admittedly, this is hindsight, but a simple review of the play will show 2 things;

a. Because a toss sweep looks just like this play at the snap, the defensive reads and reactions would have all been the same with the exception of the boundary DE, and the FS. Stanley reverse pivots, Wadley jab steps left, and the FB dives off tackle just as in the play we ran. This draws all 3 LB's toward our LT. Our RG pulls and comes around to protect against a blitz, the FB is on his left hip to seal the edge and our WR is in position to block the CB. At this point if the ball is pitched to the field both LB's are out of position with their momentum going the wrong way, there is 0% chance they catch Wadley. If the boundary DE catches Wadley, then Wadley should be benched for life. So now Wadley is in space, at speed against a C and FS with a blocker in front.

b. As I've said, this IS hindsight, but if you watch the play I don't think you can make a convincing argument that the defensive players would have been in any other position at the time the ball was pitched. Assume that, for the sake of argument, and then look what we have! And before you say, "you've had days to think about this", remember this was the second play after PSU downed the punt at the 1. On PSU's 4th down BF knew we were going to get the ball back, most likely deep in our own territory, then the punt, followed by a long timeout. He had 6 or 7 minutes to think about what he wanted to do. In OC time, that is days!

Again, I'm not saying fire BF or that he is a terrible OC. He's not. He's done some good things this year, and I think he will develop into a very good OC, if his dad will allow it. But right now, I don't think he knows how to self scout, or make adjustments when our O gets stuck in neutral.
Having said all that, this particular call was an inexcusably BAD call in a big moment.
 
***Sorry this post is so long, but I want to make a couple specific points.

First, to your main point, "That's Football" applies to weird bounces of the ball, (see Auburn's TD against Georgia), or a returner dropping a ball because the sun got in his eyes. Not for poor coaching decisions. And yes, you can nitpick all plays, even the successful ones. And there was plenty to nitpick in that game. But I think this particular play was inexcusable. Now...

I wasn't criticizing BF for being too conservative, and if by some miracle Wadley broke THAT play for a TD, I certainly would not have called BF a genius, extremely lucky maybe, and I would have been ecstatic but I would not have called him a genius.

Please go back and look at the play with 2 things in mind:

(This point is not hindsight, these are things an OC needs to have in his head and BF had a long time to think about it before this series started.)

1. It is 2nd & 8 from our own 3 yard line (Right Hash). We have rushed for appx 15 net yards, primarily because PSU has been pressing the LOS and slanting to the boundary side. You should recognize this. As an OC you have basically 3 options;

a. Be conservative, pound the ball inside the tackles and punt if you don't get a 1st down. If you chose this option, either side is fine, the only thing you are worried about is ball security. You're just trying to ensure you don't turn it over in the shadow of your own goal post. That's why short passing is out...too great a chance for a pick six.

b. Be aggressive, run play action with max protection and try to hit a big play over the top. If it gets picked at the 40-45 yard line you are no worse off than if you punted. Maybe better. (Yes, there is a chance it gets picked and run back for a TD, but that doesn't happen very often on long throws, and a punt carries the same risk).

c. Calculated Risk, run something that has some risk to it, pitch, toss, reverse, even a QB draw. But also has some home run/big play potential.

To BF's credit he picked option C, some risk. Everyone in the world was expecting off tackle, so I do give him credit for that. However, you have to understand the risks and try to mitigate them. The primary risk of this play is the DE doesn't bite on the fake. To mitigate this risk you give your back maximum lateral space/depth. If the ball is in the middle of the field, or you are outside your own 20, either side is fine. But when it is on the hash, and your back is in the end zone, you MUST run this play to the field. Based on the play called, defensive tendencies to that point in the game, and the D's pre-snap alignment (give Stanley a R/L option), BF should have known this play had a 1% chance of getting to the 5 let alone a big gainer. In other words, a moderate risk for little/no potential reward. However, if he runs it to the field side and the DE doesn't bite, Wadley can give ground and still have room (12 + yards) to outrun the DE and any pursuit before he has to escape the end zone.

Running this play to the boundary is baffling.

This part is hindsight but if you're going to pick option C, I think this would have been the obvious choice;

2. Wadley may have actually housed a toss-sweep to the field. Admittedly, this is hindsight, but a simple review of the play will show 2 things;

a. Because a toss sweep looks just like this play at the snap, the defensive reads and reactions would have all been the same with the exception of the boundary DE, and the FS. Stanley reverse pivots, Wadley jab steps left, and the FB dives off tackle just as in the play we ran. This draws all 3 LB's toward our LT. Our RG pulls and comes around to protect against a blitz, the FB is on his left hip to seal the edge and our WR is in position to block the CB. At this point if the ball is pitched to the field both LB's are out of position with their momentum going the wrong way, there is 0% chance they catch Wadley. If the boundary DE catches Wadley, then Wadley should be benched for life. So now Wadley is in space, at speed against a C and FS with a blocker in front.

b. As I've said, this IS hindsight, but if you watch the play I don't think you can make a convincing argument that the defensive players would have been in any other position at the time the ball was pitched. Assume that, for the sake of argument, and then look what we have! And before you say, "you've had days to think about this", remember this was the second play after PSU downed the punt at the 1. On PSU's 4th down BF knew we were going to get the ball back, most likely deep in our own territory, then the punt, followed by a long timeout. He had 6 or 7 minutes to think about what he wanted to do. In OC time, that is days!

Again, I'm not saying fire BF or that he is a terrible OC. He's not. He's done some good things this year, and I think he will develop into a very good OC, if his dad will allow it. But right now, I don't think he knows how to self scout, or make adjustments when our O gets stuck in neutral.
Having said all that, this particular call was an inexcusably BAD call in a big moment.

Football is a chess match. You call a play believing you know what the defense might do. Sometimes you call stuff that plays right into the defense called. Happens every game every year. If every play was executed flawlessly and the defense was always wrong, then we should expect to score a TD on about 1 out of every 4 plays we execute. It just doesn't happen. The play called was a riskier play with a little higher payoff than attempting an up the gut play.
 
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