The only people who want a race war are those on the far right who have constantly been preparing and arming themselves to fight in one for years.
EVERY VIDEO OF KYLE RITTENHOUSE (KENOSHA SHOOTING)
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All 3 of the people who got shot are in this clip, guy in the maroon was the guy who got shot in the head. Guy with the Skateboard is the other who died. You also see the guy who lost his elbow right at the beginning, has the orange vest on his shoulder.
So I'm wondering what happened after this confrontation for the guy in the maroon to chase the 17 year old with what looked like a Maltov Cocktail.
So I'm wondering what happened after this confrontation for the guy in the maroon to chase the 17 year old with what looked like a Maltov Cocktail.
Yes because people walk around with a sign that lists there ages and criminal records. That is required at these type of things.
Yet if a person intentionally provokes a fight as part of a plan to cause death or great bodily harm another person and claim a right of self-defense, he or she forfeits the right to use self-defense because his or her action is premeditated or intentional. Wis.Stat. § 939.48(2)(b).
There's plenty of evidence that the militia in general and the 17yo douche in particular provoked the fight. Particularly since the militia organizer was quoted as saying that the police told them that they would push the protestors to them to "deal with" and the police would leave to let them do it.
Additionally, the prosecution commonly argues that the person claiming self-defense is not entitled to self-defense because his or her behavior was the type of behavior that causes another person to attack and that the attack would not have happened if the other person had not been provoked. Wis.Stat. § 939.48(2)(a). Under this situation, a person forfeits the right to use self-defense unless:
(1) the attack results in the behavior that is the person claiming self-defense reasonably believes is likely to result in death or great bodily harm and the person claiming self-defense does not use “force intended or likely to cause death or bodily harm” to the other person; Wis.Stat. § 939.48(2)(a);
(2) the person claiming self-defense has “exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant;” Wis.Stat. § 939.48(2)(a); or
(3) the person claiming self-defense “in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant.” Wis.Stat. § 939.48(2)(b).
In this case, the 17 yo douche not only antagonized the protestors by pointing his AR at them but after the guy in red tossed the molotov and missed he can no longer say that he believes there was a threat of deadly force and he had a duty to continue to retreat not turn and murder someone who was 5'3" by shooting them in the head.
huge lol there. Lets misrepresent the event so we can score points on twitter. just cheap shit
The provocation question is what this hinges on. And it's really tricky, tough to prove, I imagine. In part because you have varying degrees of "eagerness" to use a weapon in self-defense. That's not easily understood.
Where's the video of him clearly pointing at protesters? I still haven't found good information on the first shooting.
And this is the cheap, dumb shit the left is (nearly?) as guilty of as the right anymore.
I haven't seen a video of that as there's so far (who knows what is still yet to be made public) but plenty of eyewitnesses said he was pointing the gun at protestors which is what triggered the first murder victim to run after him.
This goes far, far beyond cities or even states and requires national leadership to address the underlying issues. Sadly, we have none of that.
What the hell are you talking about! The Federal government has tried to get these places to take their help and they refuse it. They let these places fester until more people start getting killed then begrudgingly ask for help about 3 months too late.
Too much footage of them chasing him after a riot had been declared thsts going to be the provoking. What does someone's height have to do with anything? That 5'3 guy is also on camera screaming at the 17 yo he wanted him to shoot him.
What a damn jackass!! He wasn't just shit for "getting in his car with his kids".
What a tool!
Following and consciously choosing to believe people like this on social media is a big reason we are where we are as a country right now. So much pure manipulative bullshit from all sides and far too many knowingly consume and spread it.
Thanks for providing evidence that the bugaloo boys were there stirring things up. You're probably a fan.
The initial shooting, the guy who was shot, continued to chase him between the cars. If have a gun ready is considered provoking, I think that is a stretch. Even still once a cocktail has been thrown at you, and you still have others chasing you to cause harm there is enough there in my mind to claim self defense. The second time where several guys were going after him and he shoots two of them, if I was in his shoes I would likely shoot too. He should have never been there, just like many of the protestors should have never been there. Nothing good happens after 10 PM yet that is when all these protests/riots are being planned Why? Do it in daylight, don't burn down businesses, play nice and voice your opinion. A lot of this is just crap in my opinion. We are allowing the fringes of both side to bring down morale. Seems pointless.
I hadn
i think it is obvious who was stirring things up
now there is video of antifa chasing the 17 year old and firing a pistol behind him before he fires the first shot
i think it is obvious who was stirring things up
Yeah, if I were in his shoes I would be home trying to busy my cherry and not cosplaying ammosexuals with the rest of the incels.
I agree, he would of been better off doing 99.9% of the other possible things he could have done that night. Even still, I don't see any way a jury will convict him of murder. Watch the video of the sheriff from 2018. It tells me he is in a republican county, which it will be impossible to get 12 individuals that are not republican, 2nd amendment supporting jurors on that case, unless it is moved to somewhere like Milwaukee. All needs is 1 -2 to believe his life was in danger and that he had not instigated the rioters. I am a moderate that happens to lean slightly liberal, if I was on the jury, I wouldn't convict of murder or manslaughter. If there is a charge for having a weapon illegally, I can go along with that.
I've read reports that the first shot fired was not by him but dont know if i trust the sources. If he did in fact return fire its text book self defense no matter how dumb he was for being there. (I also think this is why you hear "fvck you" screamed as it may have been him telling it after being shot at and then firing back.
I will have to go back and watch again but I know he doesn't shoot until after the dude throws a molotv at him and then rushes him.
Wasn't a molitov cocktail... was a plastic bag of trash that was thrown. Not sure what happened the seconds before, but just chasing after him to me doesn't justify murder. And, then people are following and trying to get the police and disarm a guy who just shot someone.
To me this is a perfect example of why there needs to be gun controls in this country. We are heading back to the wild west where people just shoot to resolve conflicts in the streets. Look at other large developed countries and they don't have these problems. Maybe these guys still tussle in the streets, but do so with fists or something far less likely to kill several people in seconds.
I'd rather have very few or no guns outside of military and law enforcement vs the situation we are in now. Far too easy to pull the trigger vs options that require fists, knives, etc.
To me this is a perfect example of why there needs to be gun controls in this country. We are heading back to the wild west where people just shoot to resolve conflicts in the streets. Look at other large developed countries and they don't have these problems. Maybe these guys still tussle in the streets, but do so with fists or something far less likely to kill several people in seconds.
I'd rather have very few or no guns outside of military and law enforcement vs the situation we are in now. Far too easy to pull the trigger vs options that require fists, knives, etc.
You are so incredibly shortsighted. The underlying issues that spur these protests are being ignored leaving cities and states to tend to the crisis. Very similar to the pandemic response by Trump's administration.
The President, as a leader, should be out in front of this promoting unity, engaging in bi-partisan discussions, taking measures to build solutions to the problems that underlie the protests and riots. Instead, we get vitriol and division and the promise of more violence. All in an effort to win an election rather than heal our country. It's despicable.
Wiscy govern asked for help and hundreds of arrest were done last night. Portland now looks like fvcking idiots. Trump can't force them to take his help, portland owns what is happening in Portland.
Wow
I seem to remember riots with Obama in office so save the leaders have to get out in front of it line.
There were protests and some violence, not near the level we are today. And Obama stepped in front to try to calm things rather than fan the flames. Trump is using these riots to spread fear in America. Some of his followers are doing their part to keep them going as well.
Leaders lead. Trump is no leader. And we're seeing the crisis that void causes.
