Who cares if they’ve become better? Let them do that at Illinois State or Evansville. Not at a Big Ten school where Iowa is the least athletic team in the conference by a mile.
Everyone Who Says Brock & Pryce Aren’t Big Players. . .
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Although I think an argument could be made before, this is most definitely now pro sports. A roster is constructed based on the finances/total roster payroll matched up with the available players. In this landscape of unlimited free agency that means any player on any team.
Ideas of player development over 3-4 years in the same program so that they contribute in their final 2 years available are outdated. That will be the rare exception in the upper tier of the sport.
The path forward is most likely roster poaching of guys that have developed at lesser schools. Or those unhappy with PT or other issues at better programs.
If a new coach comes in and tells Harding he'll keep him on at a token salary in a reduced role and he takes it then that's fine. If he moves on to a lesser league school that's fine too.
Similar with Pryce, but even more so. Stay if you can accept a very limited role for zero to minimal dollars. Otherwise move on. Make it clear to both of them that they are being recruited over. Brock as a back up 10-12 minute a game guy and Pryce at 5-7 minute per game could be part of a rotation with better players getting a larger share of minutes. I'd still move on from Pryce, but a very limited reserve role could work.
Ideas of player development over 3-4 years in the same program so that they contribute in their final 2 years available are outdated. That will be the rare exception in the upper tier of the sport.
The path forward is most likely roster poaching of guys that have developed at lesser schools. Or those unhappy with PT or other issues at better programs.
If a new coach comes in and tells Harding he'll keep him on at a token salary in a reduced role and he takes it then that's fine. If he moves on to a lesser league school that's fine too.
Similar with Pryce, but even more so. Stay if you can accept a very limited role for zero to minimal dollars. Otherwise move on. Make it clear to both of them that they are being recruited over. Brock as a back up 10-12 minute a game guy and Pryce at 5-7 minute per game could be part of a rotation with better players getting a larger share of minutes. I'd still move on from Pryce, but a very limited reserve role could work.
I pay a lot of attention to defense. I was the first guy to call out Dix for being our best defensive guard when he was a freshman. Now everyone is on that train. Tell me who specifically you think played better defense than Brock and and Pryce? It wasn't Dix - who had a terrible game offensively and defensively and is understandably probably not focused on basketball right now.
Defense is a cultural and style issue for Iowa. You can't point to one guy and say he is playing winning defense. That doesn't mean we don't have talent.
Again, sample size. How many times have they gotten beat then have our pathetic help defense to cover them? We can’t guard on the perimeter and Fran can’t coach defensive rotations. The sandforts both can bring another element to the game but Brock just isn’t made for big ten play. A complete liability out there.
Sample size? The season is half over. I think you want to hate everyone because you hate the coach. Your not being honest with yourself.
If a new coach is hired I'd hope he'd have a group and individual meetings with players and tell them either to commit to defensive coaching or hit the road. Then target Pryce & Brock and tell them they can stay but with a smaller role. Like previous poster mentioned, they will be recruited over. Bring in some real dogs that can defend & rebound.
As Charles Barkley once said "Any knucklehead can score".
As Charles Barkley once said "Any knucklehead can score".
The loss is because of talent but looking like the Washington Generals is where Fran comes in.
Sandfort guarding Queen was one of the worst mismatches I've ever seen in the big ten and only Fran would do that.
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you couldn't be the 1st to see Dix was a relatively good defender because I was the first.
Dix can defend okay, but he's been on the soft side on rebounding. He needs to put on some muscle.
Yea but he’s Gary Payton compared to a Brock Harding and Payton Sandfort trying to play defense.
Be honest with yourself, Brock is not a big ten caliber player.
It's painful to watch.
He takes off for the paint and you already know nothing good is going to happen.
Or he loves to pick up his dribble at the free throw line
It’s become like the Pmac one-footed off balance running floater. Harding’s signature move is to drive into traffic pick up his dribble and start looking for an option.
Yeah, I've never seen anything quite like it at the college level.
He's playing a couple levels above where his game would really work.
You're right, I saw it, Brock clearly altered the layup attempts of Payton and Dix when the game was on the line. Unacceptable.
If we had a point guard, we win this game by ten. Oregon is not very good. They handed us the game so many times.
There isn't one person on this so called Iowa Fans page who ever picked up a basketball...lots of video game players...
QC hawk loves to deflect Brock criticism and bring up other players lolz. Hopefully he is able to transfer to some small school by where you live so you can watch him all the time! Show him how you are his biggest fan
Brock has a pretty bad layup attempt against the 7ft.... Really a bad decision with about 1 minute left in the game.
It isn't all his fault. He's fine as a young backup PG. Like every issue on this team... It comes back to Fran for putting him in this situation.
#FireFran
Gotta tell ya, I love Harding's effort on defense.
"Oh, there's a shooter in my area! Better just stop completely, with my hands down, and watch him shoot it over my utter lack of trying to remind him I'm here, many feet away from his launch position. And then when he makes it, turn and look over at the bench with slumped shoulders."
"Oh, there's a shooter in my area! Better just stop completely, with my hands down, and watch him shoot it over my utter lack of trying to remind him I'm here, many feet away from his launch position. And then when he makes it, turn and look over at the bench with slumped shoulders."
He probably fell asleep at halftime. Isn’t he like 80 years old?
You can't pick up your dribble in the lane, turn your back to the basket and expect a teamate to be able to cut behind their defnder.
Their defender can simply stay between them and the basket because their is no pressure being put on the rim.
We got outscored in the paint by something like 40 points. Our problem is and has been all year interior defense and rebounding.
Say it with me, “perimeter defense”.
Why do you think guards have layup lines vs us?
Mostly because our big men suck. It’s not there guards that are getting most of the layups. Just look at the box score, their center and forward got most of the points
I’m not saying our guards did a great job defending, but the biggest problem is interior defense.
Least theirs hit the rim…. Or should I say had a legitimate chance. Better than his attempt just under 2 min against 2 defenders one being their 7 ft C. Want to talk about an unacceptable shot in a close game.
Agreed. The perimeter and interior D stinks. Opponent’s guards making entry passes is a cake walk, Iowa provides zero ball pressure. Once the ball is in the paint, the defense is just as bad, if not worse. Standing straight up, late to the spot and fouling or giving up a layup. Rinse/repeat
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