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Ferentz visited Waggoner last night, UCLA also involved

Probably the first time you have heard about it because he doesn't tweet out that he is spending the night at some HS house etc. If you don't appreciate KF's low key personality in which he doesn't do things to get publicity but rather to get results. Just because you haven't heard about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen

Just because you typed this doesn't mean it does. I've been following recruiting since 02 and very few non-Iowa/bordering state boys have ever referenced a KF in-home visit. Ferentz only goes out when a high caliber recruit in close proximity is on the fence. Waggoner is one of those guys.

"first I heard"

It must be true then.

Give me a list of home visits from Ferentz, show me a photo of KF in a recruit's house, or show me an article that says that Ferentz visited outside of a 5 hour radius from IC. I'll hold on the line. Show me something that disproves what I said or shove it up your ass.
 
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I searched the same thing and some of those are about Brian. That's literally an exhaustive list from Twitter stretching back to 2010, almost 8 years.

Akeel Lynch - New York - OK, good job.
Ihmir Smith-Marsette - OK, sure. Fence guy.
Omar Truitt - MD, I'll give him credit on this one.
Alaric Jackson - MI - B1G territory, fence guy
Peyton Mansell - TX - future QB... damn well better be taking an in-home visit.
Eddy Wilson MI - B1G territory, didn't get
John Kenny IN - B1G territory, fence guy
Terrell Jackson OH - B1G territory, didn't get

Max Cooper - Wisconsin... nope
Jake Whalen - Wisconsin... nope
Levi Duwa - Iowa... nope
Mark and Jack Kallenberger - Iowa... nope
Oliver Martin - literally less than 5 mins away and lost him to boot
Matt Farniok - South Dakota
Seantral Henderson - MN

Bottom line, he's not willing to put in the work necessary on the recruiting trail and it shows.
 
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Just because you typed this doesn't mean it does. I've been following recruiting since 02 and very few non-Iowa/bordering state boys have ever referenced a KF in-home visit. Ferentz only goes out when a high caliber recruit in close proximity is on the fence. Waggoner is one of those guys.



Give me a list of home visits from Ferentz, show me a photo of KF in a recruit's house, or show me an article that says that Ferentz visited outside of a 5 hour radius from IC. I'll hold on the line. Show me something that disproves what I said or shove it up your ass.

Uh he does that every year. Proving that is easy. First guy that came to mind in last year's recruiting class was Trey Creamer from Georgia-- Derek Young who worked for Iowa scout site last year 1/25/17 tweeted "Iowa coaches Kirk Ferentz, Seth Wallace and Phil Parker were just in to see Trey Creamer"

So you can shove it up your ass now.
 
Uh he does that every year. Proving that is easy. First guy that came to mind in last year's recruiting class was Trey Creamer from Georgia-- Derek Young who worked for Iowa scout site last year 1/25/17 tweeted "Iowa coaches Kirk Ferentz, Seth Wallace and Phil Parker were just in to see Trey Creamer"

So you can shove it up your ass now.

Creamer was a poach from Minnesota late in the game after Claeys got fired because we lost Chevin Calloway, who said KF and the rest of the staff never even talked to him after his commitment.
 
I searched the same thing and some of those are about Brian. That's literally an exhaustive list from Twitter stretching back to 2010, almost 8 years.

Akeel Lynch - New York - OK, good job.
Ihmir Smith-Marsette - OK, sure. Fence guy.
Omar Truitt - MD, I'll give him credit on this one.
Alaric Jackson - MI - B1G territory, fence guy
Peyton Mansell - TX - future QB... damn well better be taking a in-home visit.
Eddy Wilson MI - B1G territory, didn't get
John Kenny IN - B1G territory, fence guy
Terrell Jackson OH - B1G territory, didn't get

Max Cooper - Wisconsin... nope
Jake Whalen - Wisconsin... nope
Levi Duwa - Iowa... nope
Mark and Jack Kallenberger - Iowa... nope
Oliver Martin - literally less than 5 mins away and lost him to boot
Matt Farniok - South Dakota
Seantral Henderson - MN

Bottom line, he's not willing to put in the work necessary on the recruiting trail and it shows.
I guess I don't understand why you dismiss giving him credit for visiting guys you claim were on the "fence"? Isn't that part of the head coaches job to try to close guys who are on the "fence"? As for guys like Martin he didn't land, that has nothing to do with lack of effort. Iowa made every effort to land him, short of handing out the bag of cash. He visited for more then half dozen games, the staff recruited him for probably a year and a half. In the end, he didn't want o come to Iowa, probably never did. How is that from a lack of effort on KF's part? Or is a coach not giving the effort because he won't jump in the kids pool or have a sleepover with him?
 
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Oh I get it. you are a troll.

What's trollish about that? Those are straight facts. I believe KF is our best recruiting asset because he makes all these kid's moms cream their panties, but he's a fat cat, picks low hanging fruit, or swoops in too late when we are behind the 8 ball. That kind of effort on the recruiting trail is not going to win championships at Iowa.
 
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I don't agree with them, but I'm guessing the posters that say something to that effect won't be impressed by a 2.5 hr trip to Dowling. Just sayin'.
You have to go where they are, correct. Waggoner has been a priority target for some time, for Iowa, and a number of other schools. Where was KF supposed to go, to try and recruit him?
 
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I guess I don't understand why you dismiss giving him credit for visiting guys you claim were on the "fence"? Isn't that part of the head coaches job to try to close guys who are on the "fence"? As for guys like Martin he didn't land, that has nothing to do with lack of effort. Iowa made every effort to land him, short of handing out the bag of cash. He visited for more then half dozen games, the staff recruited him for probably a year and a half. In the end, he didn't want o come to Iowa, probably never did. How is that from a lack of effort on KF's part? Or is a coach not giving the effort because he won't jump in the kids pool or have a sleepover with him?

I'm giving him credit for the fence guys, but he should be cognizant and get off his ass before they get on the fence and lock it down. Oliver didn't have anything to do with effort, you're right. His name shouldn't have even been evoked in this conversation. Obviously Ferentz is going to in-home visit a 4 star Iowa City kid.
 
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He’s not going there to play WR. If we’re thinking of this as a “football” decision, going to play DL at Iowa seems like a pretty solid choice.

I think the kid will get much more exposure, assuming he's good enough to play, under Kelly and UCLA than ferentz. Kelly is one of the most brilliant innovative football minds out there, pro results not withstanding and he cast a much greater wake than the guy we're saddled with.
 
You have to go where they are, correct. Waggoner has been a priority target for some time, for Iowa, and a number of other schools. Where was KF supposed to go, to try and recruit him?
Again, I'm not disagreeing with you, only letting you know that those that are critical about Kirk's localized recruiting strategy are not going to see a 2.5 hr trip as progress.
 
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What's trollish about that? Those are straight facts. I believe KF is our best recruiting asset because he makes all these kid's moms cream their panties, but he's a fat cat, picks low hanging fruit, or swoops in too late when we are behind the 8 ball. That kind of effort on the recruiting trail is not going to win championships at Iowa.

1) you said he doesn't visit anyone outside of a 5 hour radius which was false. to get out of admitting you were wrong, you then state that it is only people on the fence. Which is stupid in and of itself.
2) Iowa recruits Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Illinois, Missouri a lot and so a lot of recruits are within a 5 hour radius or a little more. To discount visiting these recruits is dumb. They are just as much recruits as a kid in Georgia.
3) you say he is a fat cat that that gets low hanging fruit etc but then admit he flipped Creamer, Smith Marsette and got some other guys on the fence. Wouldn't he just stick to for sure guys if you are what he claims?

These are the reasons I know you are a troll. So, no offense, but you can shove it up your ass.
 
I think you're right about him probably going to ISU. The West Coast has the sunshine, and the girls all get a tan. But Ames has the water.

according to the 247 national analyst he is ISU's to lose but not sure he is a take for CMC
 
Not defensively at all
I think the kid will get much more exposure, assuming he's good enough to play, under Kelly and UCLA than ferentz. Kelly is one of the most brilliant innovative football minds out there, pro results not withstanding and he cast a much greater wake than the guy we're saddled with.
 
I don't know which troll you guys are responding to, but I'm here to remind you that the ignore feature is awesome.
 
1) you said he doesn't visit anyone outside of a 5 hour radius which was false. to get out of admitting you were wrong, you then state that it is only people on the fence. Which is stupid in and of itself.
2) Iowa recruits Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Illinois, Missouri a lot and so a lot of recruits are within a 5 hour radius or a little more. To discount visiting these recruits is dumb. They are just as much recruits as a kid in Georgia.
3) you say he is a fat cat that that gets low hanging fruit etc but then admit he flipped Creamer, Smith Marsette and got some other guys on the fence. Wouldn't he just stick to for sure guys if you are what he claims?

These are the reasons I know you are a troll. So, no offense, but you can shove it up your ass.
It’s a moving target like trolls like to use. First it was 2 hours now it’s 5 hours. Have to move the target when proved wrong by different posters.

Though 2 hours is a big radius when flying instead of driving.
 
NFL teams and scouts are very familiar with Iowa and the defensive linemen it produces. Like Ferentz or not, he has an established history of moving DL to the NFL. Having CK at UCLA isn't going to give him any more exposure in the minds of scouts than Iowa. In fact, I would think it raises more questions.

If Waggoner comes to Iowa, awesome. If he goes to UCLA, that's fine too. But one thing is certain - he isn't going to UCLA because he thinks he has a better chance of making it to the NFL. Only exception would be playing time if he doesn't think he is good enough to beat out any of the current players or recruits.
 
Right now there are rumblings on Twitter Iowa has told John Waggoner they are moving into to other prospects. I hope that isn’t true.
 
I think the kid will get much more exposure, assuming he's good enough to play, under Kelly and UCLA than ferentz. Kelly is one of the most brilliant innovative football minds out there, pro results not withstanding and he cast a much greater wake than the guy we're saddled with.
Are you suggesting that a DL would have a better chance to play in the NFL under Kelly, than under Ferentz? If so, could you provide a credible reason?
 
Seriously.... do you guys really think a top football recruit chooses his school by how hot the chicks are?
Pretty much every college campus had good looking girls, and if you're a jock you'll have no trouble finding one.

Of course not, that's crazy talk. They decide based on how easy the hot chicks at each campus are!
 
I searched the same thing and some of those are about Brian. That's literally an exhaustive list from Twitter stretching back to 2010, almost 8 years.

Akeel Lynch - New York - OK, good job.
Ihmir Smith-Marsette - OK, sure. Fence guy.
Omar Truitt - MD, I'll give him credit on this one.
Alaric Jackson - MI - B1G territory, fence guy
Peyton Mansell - TX - future QB... damn well better be taking an in-home visit.
Eddy Wilson MI - B1G territory, didn't get
John Kenny IN - B1G territory, fence guy
Terrell Jackson OH - B1G territory, didn't get

Max Cooper - Wisconsin... nope
Jake Whalen - Wisconsin... nope
Levi Duwa - Iowa... nope
Mark and Jack Kallenberger - Iowa... nope
Oliver Martin - literally less than 5 mins away and lost him to boot
Matt Farniok - South Dakota
Seantral Henderson - MN

Bottom line, he's not willing to put in the work necessary on the recruiting trail and it shows.

You know for a fact he doesn't put in the work? You surmised this how? A google search? I think it's ok to disagree with who we ended up with but I don't think we should be questioning someone's work ethic based on little to no evidence.
 
Seriously.... do you guys really think a top football recruit chooses his school by how hot the chicks are?
Pretty much every college campus had good looking girls, and if you're a jock you'll have no trouble finding one.

There is also the fact that academically UCLA is a much better school than Iowa.
 
What's trollish about that? Those are straight facts. I believe KF is our best recruiting asset because he makes all these kid's moms cream their panties, but he's a fat cat, picks low hanging fruit, or swoops in too late when we are behind the 8 ball. That kind of effort on the recruiting trail is not going to win championships at Iowa.
Listen dumbship you know nothing of him! You know only what your small mind tells you and nothing that is factual. Quickly, tell me your age, work place, work title, college degree coaching experience and athletic achievements? Would add merit to your claims or I'm guessing take a lot of merit away? Anyhow, you won't because once you do it would show how little you really are. So, carryon.
 
1) you said he doesn't visit anyone outside of a 5 hour radius which was false. to get out of admitting you were wrong, you then state that it is only people on the fence. Which is stupid in and of itself.
2) Iowa recruits Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Illinois, Missouri a lot and so a lot of recruits are within a 5 hour radius or a little more. To discount visiting these recruits is dumb. They are just as much recruits as a kid in Georgia.
3) you say he is a fat cat that that gets low hanging fruit etc but then admit he flipped Creamer, Smith Marsette and got some other guys on the fence. Wouldn't he just stick to for sure guys if you are what he claims?

These are the reasons I know you are a troll. So, no offense, but you can shove it up your ass.

We are talking about 9 outliers in 8 years and really only 5 outside of the midwest. This guy gets paid $5 mil a year and he barely travels farther than Michigan once a year. Creamer/ISM were late offer, emergency fallbacks that required a visit because we didn't identify them early enough and missed on main targets. We were on the verge of losing Jackson and Kenny. He doesn't get out of the midwest unless he absolutely has to and that's a fact, jack.

If you think KF's track record is sufficient on the recruiting trail effort, then honestly I couldn't give two f---s about your opinion. You're the type that is OK settling for 7-5 and mediocrity and I don't like to associate with people like that.
 
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Just because you typed this doesn't mean it does. I've been following recruiting since 02 and very few non-Iowa/bordering state boys have ever referenced a KF in-home visit. Ferentz only goes out when a high caliber recruit in close proximity is on the fence. Waggoner is one of those guys.



Give me a list of home visits from Ferentz, show me a photo of KF in a recruit's house, or show me an article that says that Ferentz visited outside of a 5 hour radius from IC. I'll hold on the line. Show me something that disproves what I said or shove it up your ass.

Well, if YOU stated it, the burden of proof is on you.
 
We are talking about 9 outliers in 8 years and really only 5 outside of the midwest. This guy gets paid $5 mil a year and he barely travels farther than Michigan once a year. Creamer/ISM were late offer, emergency fallbacks the required a visit because we didn't identify them early enough. We were on the verge of losing Jackson and Kenny. He doesn't get out of the midwest unless he absolutely has to and that's a fact, jack.

If you think KF's track record is sufficient on the recruiting trail effort, then honestly I couldn't give two f---s about your opinion. You're the type that is OK settling for 7-5 and mediocrity and I don't like to associate with people like that.

So because a recruit doesn't tweet about an in home visit that's your proof it didn't happen? Truly, you have no idea how many recruiting visits KF does but you spout it as fact.
 
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We are talking about 9 outliers in 8 years and really only 5 outside of the midwest. This guy gets paid $5 mil a year and he barely travels farther than Michigan once a year. Creamer/ISM were late offer, emergency fallbacks the required a visit because we didn't identify them early enough. We were on the verge of losing Jackson and Kenny. He doesn't get out of the midwest unless he absolutely has to and that's a fact, jack.

If you think KF's track record is sufficient on the recruiting trail effort, then honestly I couldn't give two f---s about your opinion. You're the type that is OK settling for 7-5 and mediocrity and I don't like to associate with people like that.

You don't appear to know what facts are.
 
Right now there are rumblings on Twitter Iowa has told John Waggoner they are moving into to other prospects. I hope that isn’t true.
Seems odd that Ferentz would go visit Waggoner and then they are suddenly moving on in another direction. I know he's a class act but would he need to tell him personally. Could had the case though, as we are reportedly no longer hosting DL Taylor. Something about new priorities.
 
Right now there are rumblings on Twitter Iowa has told John Waggoner they are moving into to other prospects. I hope that isn’t true.
I guess, but at some point what else are we to do. Its like the deal with Martin. Hold the kids hand for a year and a half, have him visit literally countless times, just so he can go elsewhere. If the young man wants to be a Hawk, he should probably know by now. If not then its time to look elsewhere.
 
Listen dumbship you know nothing of him! You know only what your small mind tells you and nothing that is factual. Quickly, tell me your age, work place, work title, college degree coaching experience and athletic achievements? Would add merit to your claims or I'm guessing take a lot of merit away? Anyhow, you won't because once you do it would show how little you really are. So, carryon.

I'm 34, UIowa alum, degrees in History/Poly Sci, smarter than Brian Ferentz (because he copied off me in college), recruited by Rick Heller to play baseball, banged Jake Christensen's girl, and have millions under my control on a daily basis. What about you? Show Iowa diploma or GTFO.

The sooner you fogies die off, the better it is for this football program.
 
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