FloWrestling's Early Look at Team Recruiting Rankings

[west2east]

That would be incorrect. It was the perceived notion that Metcalf was a coach in waiting and then he went to the OTC, then OTC to the Clones. That and Dresser stepping off the plane and getting a million dollar donation. It's one thing for PSU to have big money but its another altogether to see little bro raking in those donations. It got people going on here. I think people didn't understand how key the club is to winning.

Agree the clubs are the backbone .Im worried the NCAA is gonna put a stop to RTC now that so much $ is being thrown around.Wrestling is the only Olympic sport utilizing this loophole with this type of $

 

[west2east]

Can you define 'won't be long'? You know so we can see when your prediction comes true and we can congratulate you on your accuracy. I am sure your premise is backed by plenty of factual evidence. Things such as spending more on compensation than revenue generated. Let me know when you can narrow your prediction down.

During the 2019-20 season

 

[IAChief32]

This is all hypothetical of course, but what happens if you turn Cael in with 15 witnesses and mountains of proof? The entire RTC/club structure as we know it could crumble. It's already hard for wrestlers to get paid, and what happens to the sport if these clubs affiliated with the universities come under fire? It would be a difficult decision to make as a coach, who wants to see these kids have a chance at getting paid to wrestle after college. It really isn't the craziest scenario to imagine.

Also...what's worse for wrestling, PSU winning titles or PSU (being the elite program) getting busted for cheating? PSU getting busted would have serious ramifications for the college sport. If I'm conflicted on this, then I know damn well coaches are as well.

Lance Armstrong was an American hero to outsiders in bike racing but to insiders, they knew what was going on because of the physical limitations. Armstrong had never won the Tour De France, got cancer and came back two years later and won an insane amount in a row. Insiders accused him of doping but it could never be proven and they were accused of sour grapes. Until it was proven.

In non sports, Harvey Weinstein was one of the biggest filmmakers in Hollywood. Most folks knew what type of guy he was but nobody did anything except to thank him at awards shows. It was an open secret. Yea, a few females accused him of stuff but nothing a good publicist couldn't fix. Until they couldn't.

Look what McGwire, Sosa and Bonds (among many others) did to baseball. Baseball is still feeling it 20 years later.

In all three incidents from biking, Hollywood, and baseball, it is now assumed by the public that bike racers and baseball players are juicers and that Hollywood directors and producers are casting couch scumbags.

 

[jammenz]

When Flo viewed the NLWC’s tax return and saw there were a number of very questionable/curious entries, why was there no follow up? Either by looking further into them or at least a follow up comment. Was that because you weren’t interested and curious as a wrestling media outlet or was it because you didn’t want to know?

You may remember when CP got dope slapped by Cael for having the temerity to suggest that maybe Penn State could win the title that year if he chose not to red shirt key wrestlers. There has been nothing but adulation from FLO since then.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Also...what's worse for wrestling, PSU winning titles or PSU (being the elite program) getting busted for cheating? PSU getting busted would have serious ramifications for the college sport. If I'm conflicted on this, then I know damn well coaches are as well.

Lance Armstrong was an American hero to outsiders in bike racing but to insiders, they knew what was going on because of the physical limitations. Armstrong had never won the Tour De France, got cancer and came back two years later and won an insane amount in a row. Insiders accused him of doping but it could never be proven and they were accused of sour grapes. Until it was proven.

In non sports, Harvey Weinstein was one of the biggest filmmakers in Hollywood. Most folks knew what type of guy he was but nobody did anything except to thank him at awards shows. It was an open secret. Yea, a few females accused him of stuff but nothing a good publicist couldn't fix. Until they couldn't.

Look what McGwire, Sosa and Bonds (among many others) did to baseball. Baseball is still feeling it 20 years later.

In all three incidents from biking, Hollywood, and baseball, it is now assumed by the public that bike racers and baseball players are juicers and that Hollywood directors and producers are casting couch scumbags.

Foxcatcher?

 

[bbwretler]

Agree the clubs are the backbone .Im worried the NCAA is gonna put a stop to RTC now that so much $ is being thrown around.Wrestling is the only Olympic sport utilizing this loophole with this type of $

You just thought of why everyone who loves wrestling has remained silent, all by yourself. Good job!

 

[24 so far]

The truth is Iowa isn't winning anymore so it's time to buy stock in Kleenex.Iowa will be back on top someday and people will blame them for cheating and everyone on these boards will say prove it were good cause Brands is the best coach.

Nobody blames Football recruits for going to Alabama. Their 85 full rides are the same as everybody else's. The math gets a bit fuzzier with a wrestling room full of guys splitting 9.9 scholarships.

 

[ak466040]

Here what I have seen over last 15 years when it comes to camps. 2/3 of the money raised goes to the college. For renting dorm rooms to gyms to having lunch room open for kids security and paying ur staff. Since the program is renting school property they have control of the money. When working camps u have to fill out hourly time sheets and yes u can add few extra hours but nothing crazy. The school does watch what the wage is per consoler not much over 25 dollars hour. The school wants to keep as much of the money as possible. Now if ur clinician that's whole another story. There no set pay scale but I would be surprised if college was just paying clinician price to all there wrestler because like I said before colleges want there money as well. Now what happens with the leftover money. The leftover money get used for traveling cost recruiting traveling new workout stuff shirts and taking recruits out. This stuff is all legal. Colleges are in charge of the wrestling program account. The coaches have to ask for the money and college approve it. Now HWC is not Associated with the school so money is probably control by Perry and Randy I'm guessing. Now I'm guessing there isn't set scale but clubs can pay more than others on different things like travel or living expenses. Long story short I can't believe penn state using camp money form the college to give to the wrestlers. Because colleges have control of the money. Two colleges that do great job or helping pay there wrestlers with camps are Minnesota and Luther college. I wouldn't be surprised if Minnesota wrestlers make the most money every summer. They get paid to workout in the summer time

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

I'm going to add this, these damn 18 year old kids have no concept of money and the years of struggling to pay back student loans. They just don't. If they want to go to a certain school, and if mommy and daddy aren't rich, they have absolutely no problem signing on the dotted line because they want they want when they want it. I'm actually struggling with all this as we speak with my own kid and his choice of colleges. Telling the kid I paid back student loans for twenty years means nothing to him. A blank stare like "yeah... and your point is?" Lol

Way too many kids leave the house having no concept of the value of money and burden of debt. Half of mine fell in that boat and I take full responsibility for their "it's all free to me/kick the can down the road" mindset.