IOC already tried this. Geneticists told them no such test exists for athletes.
Former teammate of transgender NCAA champion to speak at UI
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I’m not telling them they can’t be weird, no law against it. Why do you feel like real girls should have to suffer
You want me to make a list of posters on HROT who have no problem with biological men competing in college athletics? I guess after I make dinner, I can compile a list using the 'Search' feature at the top. I guess it starts with you, Huey, & Ciggi.
This isn't just about fairness in athletics either. The topic about non-transitioned transgender women has also been brought up. I stated my opinion in post #27.
I'm dead serious. Almost no athletes, regardless of gender, will ever face a trans opponent.
Because they made the same exact claim with gay people in the military. Co-mingling will cause chaos. And now we look back and scratch our heads on why it was ever an issue.
JFC, more jawing on this topic, how exhausting. My thoughts once again:
- Most Americans regardless of political party affiliation agree that biological males should not be competing against biological females. Attempting to convince people that Democrats by and large think otherwise is a fallacy. Most of my friends and associates are largely liberal leaning democrats, I have yet to meet a single one that thinks transgender women competing against biological women seems fair or equitable. There may actually be circumstances where a transgender female doesn’t have a physical advantage over biological females but you’re never going to convince anyone that’s the case.
- This issue needs to get sorted out by the various organizations that govern competitive athletics at all levels, domestically and worldwide. This is not an issue to be sorted out by elected officials, scripting a hodgepodge quilt of poorly written laws isn’t going to help and frankly it’s wasted effort on an issue that’s so extremely rare and it’s only being discussed now because it’s a way to score political points. Eventually the courts will decide if the sports organizations rules and codes are allowable. Keep the dumb politicians far away from this.
Problem solved. That was easy.
If it’s non-competitive recreational sports activities we’re talking about, then IDGAF who’s competing against whom. Nobody cares and neither should you. Female participants should recognize there’s a slim chance you may be competing against an opponent who was born male and recognize they could potentially injure you or beat you that day. Play at your own risk.
- Most Americans regardless of political party affiliation agree that biological males should not be competing against biological females. Attempting to convince people that Democrats by and large think otherwise is a fallacy. Most of my friends and associates are largely liberal leaning democrats, I have yet to meet a single one that thinks transgender women competing against biological women seems fair or equitable. There may actually be circumstances where a transgender female doesn’t have a physical advantage over biological females but you’re never going to convince anyone that’s the case.
- This issue needs to get sorted out by the various organizations that govern competitive athletics at all levels, domestically and worldwide. This is not an issue to be sorted out by elected officials, scripting a hodgepodge quilt of poorly written laws isn’t going to help and frankly it’s wasted effort on an issue that’s so extremely rare and it’s only being discussed now because it’s a way to score political points. Eventually the courts will decide if the sports organizations rules and codes are allowable. Keep the dumb politicians far away from this.
Problem solved. That was easy.
If it’s non-competitive recreational sports activities we’re talking about, then IDGAF who’s competing against whom. Nobody cares and neither should you. Female participants should recognize there’s a slim chance you may be competing against an opponent who was born male and recognize they could potentially injure you or beat you that day. Play at your own risk.
I don't have a problem with it because science can't prove any advantage. If it was so common sense like you claim, science should easily be able to prove advantage.
Well, neither of my daughters are MAGAs. Both voted for Biden last go (and are again). I think I posted a few weeks ago, my middle daughter officiated her first lesbian wedding (and again, I'm not posting pics of the wedding kiss, you pervs). However, neither would be comfortable showering naked with a transgender person with a penis.
I think it was my oldest who said, "It will likely never happen because I don't even go to the gym." ...or something to that effect. So, she has an opinion, but not an issue (if that makes sense) That should make Huey pleased.
The trans people I know, which is a number, go out of their way to not stand out. One f2m I know refused to use the male facilities until after he had transitioned. Which is probably fair place to be.Well, neither of my daughters are MAGAs. Both voted for Biden last go (and are again). I think I posted a few weeks ago, my middle daughter officiated her first lesbian wedding (and again, I'm not posting pics of the wedding kiss, you pervs). However, neither would be comfortable showering naked with a transgender person with a penis.
I think it was my oldest who said, "It will likely never happen because I don't even go to the gym." ...or something to that effect. So, she has an opinion, but not an issue (if that makes sense) That should make Huey pleased.
The Governor of Iowa is a woman and signed a bill addressing this issue.
I think a more pertinent question is, what is the tangible end goal for those that are on tour speaking on this issue? Federal legislation? International sporting orgs laying down rules? More awareness in a state that has already codified who can and cannot compete in certain leagues in athletics?
Because to me it seems like a wedge issue propagated for it's value in making people feel strong emotions rather than an effort to fulfill a measurable goal.
You said many - I assumed you had an idea who these vast hordes were.
Let‘s you and I get to the core of the issue, ok?
Tell me, do you believe the presence of a penis itself gives a competitive advantage?
Take away the opinionated discussions on a message board about specific scenarios and likelihoods, in all actuality, that is likely the majority of situations rather than the exception.
When it comes to athletics, I agree with whoever posted it that it should be handled by athletic organizations, not politicians looking to win votes based on their stances.
Hopefully, no one does. If I cut Michael Jordan's penis off, that guy would still smoke both of us on the court. Over a woman, Michael would likely have a larger heart, greater lung capacity, greater muscle mass, larger skeletal muscle, more red blood cells, and less body fat, all of which give males, in general, performance advantages over females.
You can't be that stupid. You don't think men have natural advantages. The fact Lia is way taller is a huge advantage in swimming.
I edited my response after you responded. Thought I was faster.
Also, I'm I'm thinking you have a chunk of people in this thread on ignore. LOL
Ok, can you tell me, if it’s not the penis, what is the source of those potential advantages?
Can I make a suggestion?
When ever anyone wants to start another thread about the intricacies of trans people in sport, we name the thread Cock Talk followed by a Roman numeral, like the "Big Game".
I think the results will be the same, but with at least three bonus laughs.
When ever anyone wants to start another thread about the intricacies of trans people in sport, we name the thread Cock Talk followed by a Roman numeral, like the "Big Game".
I think the results will be the same, but with at least three bonus laughs.
It does seem rooted in penises so I’ll allow it.
I'm more than fine letting individual organizations calling their own shots. But having the government doing it is bullshit.
Well she testified to the North Carolina State legislature about it, who then passed legislation preventing trans girls from competing in girls sports, so I will have to believe her since nobody came out refuting the claim.
Yes, because the gop in nc is very concerned about facts and not reactionary.
The takeaway of all the studies I've read is that testosterone is the real driver of performance. Flood your system with it and you will put on tons of muscle and dominate. Take T away and you lose your muscle and your edge. The studies I've read also say that an advantage still exists up to two years after transitioning. So I'm fine barring participation up until then. But after no advantage can be found. So if an organization wants to let them play then so be it.
I did in post #95. Here it is again:
...If I cut Michael Jordan's penis off, that guy would still smoke both of us on the court. Over a woman, Michael would likely have a larger heart, greater lung capacity, greater muscle mass, larger skeletal muscle, more red blood cells, and less body fat, all of which give males, in general, performance advantages over females.
There is a reason we have male and female sports. There's a reason the USWNT team gets good practice in with the U-15 boys team.
First off you cherry pick the studies you like. Secondly, Lia is not going to become shorter. Height is a massive advantage in swimming.
So you think they just accepted the claim from this one girl and that they didn’t ask any of the other people who were there? And that nobody in the press would have sniffed this out and called them on it if it were not valid? Helluva conspiracy theory ya got there.
Bone mass, lung capacity, muscle nuclei, those advantages don’t go away
You stated some potential physiological differences. Uou did not state the source of those differences. So far you have said that it’s not the actual penis. What is it?
Is there any proof anywhere other than the claim of the girl who took a shot to the face.?
They oversell the threat.Here we go again! YAF doubling down on wingnut talking points. :
The University of Iowa chapter of conservative student group Young Americans for Freedom next week will welcome to campus the former teammate of transgender NCAA Division I national champion swimmer Lia Thomas for a talk titled, “Men do not belong in women’s sports.”
Former University of Pennsylvania swimmer Paula Scanlan’s lecture and question-and-answer session “will highlight the importance of protecting women’s spaces — including sports, bathrooms, and prisons,” according to a news release from Young Americans for Freedom at the University of Iowa.
“Scanlan will share how radical gender ideology is destroying women’s sports, in addition to championing freedom and the challenges she has overcome to share this message.”
The 7 p.m. lecture on Monday will occur in the Blackbox Theater of the Iowa Memorial Union on the UI campus, where the same student group a year ago hosted conservative commentator Matt Walsh as part of his nationwide “What is a Woman” documentary tour.
Scanlan starred in Walsh’s documentary before testifying in July before the House Judiciary Committee about “The dangers and due process violations of ‘gender-affirming care’ for children.”
Former teammate of transgender NCAA champion to speak at UI
The University of Iowa chapter of conservative student group Young Americans for Freedom next week will welcome to campus the former teammate of transgender NCAA Division I national champion swimmer Lia Thomas for a talk titled, “Men do not belong in women’s sports.”www.thegazette.com
Of course the left also constantly oversells the threat on many topics.
The way things are nowadays
They absolutely do. All of those fluctuate in all of our lives let alone someone who has transitioned.
This is an outright lie and not based in science/reality.
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