Fran has done this for a long time,his beat down of his players physically and mentally seems to be a yearly issue. I would imagine after seeing him on the sidelines that he is worse toward his players in practice than on the refs. He needs to learn perspective, and patience. He has beat Weiskamp into the ground, has his big men afraid to play physical because they will go to the bench with 2 fouls. I posted this 2 years ago, and what I saw was the same thing. I personally think Fran gets ranked and pushes them harder to the point they break. We were ranked number 4 in the nation a few years ago and then fell to the NIT. Bottom line Fran MUST change the way he coaches and the expectations he places on his players. Give them a better offense, change things as you go through the season, we do the same thing over and over, easy to prepare for Iowa. I would love to play us twice and you can watch the first game film and see the same thing. Fran has a sweetheart deal (another thread) and isn't going anywhere, so he MUST change.
Fran Must Change
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I would actually have agreed with this in the past. I don't this year because they had a great season going and still are going through the slump. So no reason for Fran to have been on them this year. My new guess is they get physically exhausted by this time of the year because they don't have enough muscle for the long haul. I know it was reported that Fran was having the team add muscle since summer. Sorry I just don't see it on any of the players. They still look like last year. Mentally they have checked out right now. That was evident last night. That part is on Fran for his antic. The officiating is bad and biased but you can't say it out loud. It was quite evident that the refs punished them last night.
Fran deesn't need to change, he needs to GO!. Everything you mentioned is Fran's coaching philosophy and his personality, if he changed he would be a different person, that is a different Coach. I think what you really want is a different coach?
This is one of the most uninformed, asinine comments I've read on here. And that's saying something.
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Boy, thanks for that comment, back it up. Look at his numbers? He is drained, from the years of playing I can say what it looks like to be drained and how it effects your time on the court. Yet you slam a simple post, what basis do you have for saying he is playing at the same level he played at near the beginning of the year.
Wow, how can you not agree with that? I am new here but from playing the game and coaching for years now, he looks like he is dragging. I think his confidence is low and I would blame coaching and the grind of the season. I also wonder as I have for years, how these teams always seem to peak too early.
How many players have transferred out of the program because of Fran’s demeanor? How many former players came to his defense after his recent tirade? Think before you type.
That is not a metric of coaching, players will back their coach. I think our players like the coach, but is he doing what is needed for them? Think about this from a different angle before you go after someone. I had a coach in college that was an ass, I defended him, worked my ass for him, but looking back he did not do what was needed for us to be successful, especially in the conference tournament. We were tired and had nothing left due to how we were pushed early on. When we had a coaching change, we made it to the dance and were much more prepared at the end of the season due to the way that we were treated over the course of the season.
I stand by my comments in context to what the OP is insinuating. Players, especially in this day and age, don’t stay around coaches that beat them to a pulp physically and especially mentally. Things were different when you and I played. Just my opinion, of course.
I think Fran has enough positives that the players stay, but it may be based on perspective. Our first coach was terrible but I never figured it out until he left how much better someone could be. Do you think we ever go to a higher level with Fran as coach? Does he ever get enough quality recruits to come? I am wondering how the class in 2 years will be, he needs to shoot for the stars. and deliver. I give him credit for bringing us up from where he started but he has raised the bar and needs to grow. The mess the program was before is no longer an excuse, this is his team and these are his results. Can he grow, change, and raise his level? Truthfully I am not sure.
I think that player development must also change. I think also that Fran recruits good players and he and the assistants should be able to take them to this level of play. What baffles me to some degree is all of the off-season talk of conditioning and what it has done to help the guys on the court. Do they still work out as they have before? Fran is ultimately responsible to coach, condition, and develop the players. So, in that respect, yes I think he should change. The tired legs thing I don't fully get because many teams are absolutely pouring it on right now to get good seeding and/or win their conferences.
Watching a Drake @ the Valley tournament at the moment.
Looks like DeVries has found a way to involve Brady Ellingson effectively, even though other teams do their best to cover him up .
Who would have thought.
Looks like DeVries has found a way to involve Brady Ellingson effectively, even though other teams do their best to cover him up .
Who would have thought.
Id like to shed a few assistants ans get some fresh blood In the coaching staff
90% of the time every coach sends a player to the bench in the first half with 2 fouls . if you disagree you dont watch much basketball . you all need to bitch about something else .
They do but Fran is pretty extreme about not playing players with 2 fouls. This year we rank 349 out of 353 in 2 foul participation %
Fran is not the biggest hothead in the family- his wife is worse. Just find someone that sits close to her at games or has seen her act in the tunnel. Neither has seen an anger management class
I agree, there is something missing to say the least. They need new blood, they need a strength and conditioning coach maybe (not sure they have one) but other teams finish strong, and we just seem lost. I hope something changes tomorrow.
Well yeah, he is a Freshman at the tail end of the season playing heavy minutes. Of course he might be fatigued and of course he might not be as energetic as he was at the beginning of the year. That literally has happened to a million College Freshman playing D1 basketball. That’s just common sense. Also, it has been said he is battling a back issue. There it is backed up.
That’s likely the exact same thing said about Fran at Siena and Licklighter at Butler.
Just to get this straight, Hubs9 said something, you ripped him, then made the same argument. Boy these message boards make no sense.
To further the discussion on how a coach treats his players, in my years in college my first coach made everyone equal, he beat us pretty good and we were drained by the end of the year. My second coach let the freshman have certain days they only shot, or they did a walk through to keep them fresh. The amazing thing about coaches is that they need to learn how to treat each player as a individual and make sure they can perform for a long season.
He blamed the staff for this and my point was it isn’t the staff, it’s part of being a Freshman at high Dividion 1 level. They probably make no sense because you aren’t reading the post correctly.
gotta be one of the dumber stats out there . not sure fran should be getting caught up in what other teams are doing .
Relax, it was just a talking point. It’s a stat that shows coaching tendencies. And, as I’ve pointed out in other threads, some successful coaches like Beilein and Bennett implement the same strategy. Others like Beard and Boeheim are way more liberal with usage.
From playing at the D1 level I can say that there are ways coaches can help in the process. The first year is a grind, classes, practice and the travel. A good coach can make that a much easier road in my opinion. I think freshman do get fatigued, but there are ways of making it much easier and the coach is the man in charge of helping in the process.
That’s fair but we have no idea if Fran makes it easier or harder on his Freshman. The post I was contesting made a matter-of-fact statement that Fran is working him into the ground. We just don’t know if that’s true or not.
I would agree, but I have a feeling based on his sideline demeanor that this team looks beat up. I see him in interviews and he is a very personable guy, but there is another side we have seen. I would guess that is what the players see in practice from time to time. And after the effort today, I have a feeling I am right.
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